new camaro?

frist off i have not seen any pics but, do you think that Chevrolet/Pontiac will bring back the camaro/fire bird? like what Ford did with the t-bird? take it out of the model line up for a few years and then bring it back?

there is talk about bringing the camaro back but nothings set in stone. Do a search for this topic theres been a bunch of threads with different concept pictures.

This has been talked about on a regular basis, do a forum search in here and find out.

camaro and GTO will be sharing a zeta chassis layout in 2007.

the chassis will be front engine rear wheel drive.

there has been no official release of GM renderings or stats on the car as of yet. but Seeing as its a GTO shared platform, you can bet that it will have a V8, six speed and auto available, and rear wheel drive.

i am also predicting rull lenth hydroformed frame rails. improoved rear suspention. hopefully the rear mounted transmissions of the corvettes with an acompanying IRS. better weight distribution, and better handling.

This has been talked about on a regular basis, do a forum search in here and find out.

camaro and GTO will be sharing a zeta chassis layout in 2007.

the chassis will be front engine rear wheel drive.

there has been no official release of GM renderings or stats on the car as of yet. but Seeing as its a GTO shared platform, you can bet that it will have a V8, six speed and auto available, and rear wheel drive.

i am also predicting rull lenth hydroformed frame rails. improoved rear suspention. hopefully the rear mounted transmissions of the corvettes with an acompanying IRS. better weight distribution, and better handling.

Its about time too.. IMO The Camaro's should have moved to an IRS set up with the intro of the 4th gens.. With the V8, 6spd and RM trans with IRS.. WHat more could you ask for??

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Also I may seem dumb but... what's IRS? Independent rear suspension? (waht is that anyway?)

Independant rear suspension.. There is no solid rear end.. each wheel has its own suspension

i just hope if they do go with making a new camaro that they do it like the concept ones you see. the mustang concept was sweet looking and then they made the production model and it looks like hell

This has been talked about on a regular basis, do a forum search in here and find out.

camaro and GTO will be sharing a zeta chassis layout in 2007.

the chassis will be front engine rear wheel drive.

there has been no official release of GM renderings or stats on the car as of yet. but Seeing as its a GTO shared platform, you can bet that it will have a V8, six speed and auto available, and rear wheel drive.

i am also predicting rull lenth hydroformed frame rails. improoved rear suspention. hopefully the rear mounted transmissions of the corvettes with an acompanying IRS. better weight distribution, and better handling.


iroc, u should mail Chevy w/ what u think would make the car badass.

hey want a supra, you want a supra?? CUz I got one for sale!

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bigmike, i already have, they dont take my calls anymore.

they will hear our call and design to our ideas, or we will choke their rivers with our dead...

that pic looks sweet as hell i cant wait till they come out with the new camaro just as long as it didnt turn out like the new mustang

hey want a supra, you want a supra?? CUz I got one for sale!

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Yeah if you like shit, This is the car for you. Looks,drives and smells like shit. Its a POS lover's dream. If I didn't like nice cars I would so buy it.

Yeah if you like shit, This is the car for you. Looks,drives and smells like shit. Its a POS lover's dream. If I didn't like nice cars I would so buy it.

I think you said it best yourself

I love the fact that someone could be so f*cking stupid and have such a crappy life that they have nothing better to do than put down a group of people and a car. It makes me feel so much better about myself and very sad for such a assclown loser like yourself.

I don't remember saying anything about your nationality or about supra's. If I'm not mistaken I think I just called your vehicle a POS. They do make a adult version of hooked on phoenics if you would like me to look into it. Dip shit.

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this is the 2005 model... so 07 will not be the camaro remake... this model is more like the 67 68 models, and the 07 is more like the 69... i personally think they should wait till 09 to remake the 69 model, but its a long wait as it is lol...

dammit i just creamed in my pants, i was trying to save that too

...i am also predicting rull lenth hydroformed frame rails. improoved rear suspention. hopefully the rear mounted transmissions of the corvettes with an acompanying IRS. better weight distribution, and better handling.

The only problem with having IRS is that you will increase the weight, lower the horsepower it can take, make the car more expensive, and be less like a Camaro. The problem is also seen with the C5 vettes, they can't handle high horsepower. When that became an issue you could instead go to a Camaro and put a Moser, Currie, or any aftermarkey rear end in it. True you can't handle as well with a solid rear axle, but who cares in a straight line. Just matters what you want a Camaro for. I just want straight line.

I think you said it best yourself
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PROBLEM look at picture 3. I really ope chevy's not takign ideas from these cuz that there has a trunk as opposed to a hatch, and the roof doesnt look too suitable for t-tops... glad these aren't the actual concepts

yeah those are not 2005 Model camaros. because there will be no 2005 camaro. dosnt come out till 2007.

IRS setups will add some weight, will raise prices that much, but anyone who thinks they cant handle power, is a little mislead. the corvette rears handle power just fine. im not saying id use it for strait up drag racing, but for a street leagal toy with 500+hp it will be just fine.

and formulaLT1 and damone take it to PM's or take a vacation... yalls choice.

trunks are for girls.

also, if you need an example of a power handling IRS setup go check out a lingenvette. me thinks she be alright...

IRS??? I hate those jerks, taking my money all the time...

shoosh, they're listening...

IRS setups will add some weight, will raise prices that much, but anyone who thinks they cant handle power, is a little mislead. the corvette rears handle power just fine. im not saying id use it for strait up drag racing, but for a street leagal toy with 500+hp it will be just fine.

What I am talking about is FAST! The rear ends of Corvettes are limited. I am not basing this off my own opinion. In the May edition of Chevy High Performance they had a Camaro called Silver Streak that pulls an 8.5 sec 1/4 mile. In the article they said it themselves, "But as outstanding as the C5 is, it does have limitations when it comes to getting power to the pavement-namely, the rear transaxle assmebly." (Page 49 CHP) That is the article and the words that I based my opinion on. The Camaro should be cheap and fast, what a Camaro was made to be in the first place. Having and IRS will only slow the camaro down, in a straight line, and make is more expensive.

you also have to realize that the corvettes are designed for road racing, not high horsepower drag racing. i would imagine that chevy would consider the street racing heritage of the camaro and consider making is solid rear-axle. anyone know if the GTO is IRS?

I am not trying to be aggresive about this. I just wanted you to know my premises are backed up with professional opinions and fact, and that I am not just some raving lunatic.

the new GTO is Independent Rear.

oh im not saying you are wrong. i just think that in terms of factory specs, IRS would more than suit chevy plans. it might not work for what we as consumers and tuners want to do, but as far as chevy is concerned its what ever will sell that is important. also, the GTO and camaro are supposed to come out together on the new zeta-chassis so if the GTO is IRS i would think that the camaro is gonna be IRS...

what about the TA will it be redubuting with the camaro

IRS??? I hate those jerks, taking my money all the time...



DAMN THE MAN!!!!!!!!

what about the TA will it be redubuting with the camaro

All that I've heard and seen says no, Firbird/Trans Am are done.

According to Pontiac they are NEVER going to make the firebird again. It is too low class for the Pontiac name. Shit it was the only car I liked from Pontiac. The GTO is OK. Pontiac is lame!

Where did you ever read or hear anyone refer to the Firebird as low class?...

This is direct from Pontiac head quarter's regarding Gm no longer making the F-body's. No where do I see anything about low class.
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Where did you ever read or hear anyone refer to the Firebird as low class?...
OK here it is. On page 31 in the September issuse of Popular Hot Rodding the exact words were, "Ponitiac General Manager Lynn Myers and GM's new product Chairman Bob Lutz seemed to remove all doubt about a Firebird in the future by stating that Pontiac was moving up market as a sort of American version of BMW. This means performance across the board, but also meant a more upscale crowd. Something not exactly represented by the Pontiac Firebird. Even Pontiac's youth-oriented "pass it on" ad campaign was viewed as the wrong direction, and ended up becoming short-lived." The Quote continues and Finishes with a quote from Mr. Lutz stating, "Firebird's day is gone."

There not calling it low class if you read that correctly they are saying that they are trying to aim there product to a older crowd rather than youthful type sports car.

Well they are moving up in the market and they are insinuating the Firebird isn't in that high class market. Pretty much stating that it is of a lower class then what they want. There is more to the article but I didn't feel it was necessary to quote to get the idea across. Pontiac feels the Firebird is too low class and it will no longer be made!

I say screw Pontiac. They are leaving behind their best car ever!

OK while I do love the Firebird and I hope to own mine forever. 9 times out of 10 when you see one driving down the road its a young adult/teenager driving it. This is the market that they originally aimed the Firebird at. What they are saying is that they are trying to give the "Pontiac" name a more luxury type feel than youthfull sport's car because they are aiming there product to the 30 somthing's and up which usually do have a larger income. It would be the stupidest thing ever and reason to be fired for a GM employee like a Pontiac VP to say the Firebird is low class when they know damn well that Chevy is planning to bring back the Camaro(or the Firebird's sibling) and If you take the fact that most older people have more money and are usually viewed as having more upscale things then yes they are putting down the firebird but I did not come away with that from the comments that where made

why would they want to aim pontiac toward the older crowd? I thought that was what they had Buick for.

Your opinion is your opinion. When they say that they are looking for a more upscale market and that Firebird isn't going to fit into that that seems to insinuate that the Firebird is just not upscale enough for their future image. They are ditching the younger consumer which bought the Firebird. In my eyes they are turning their backs on the Firebird crowd and saying they are too good for them now. :smokin:

I agree just my opinion but if Chevy say's that they discontiued the Camaro cause they wanted to retain the more upscale style sports car feel of the Corvette. I don't think that would be a put down to any Camaro owner, I mean I could be wrong but certain people view price as upscale and thats not really a insult when the car cost's a hell of alot more and is more of a luxury car than a sports car like the GTO when compared to the Firebird even though they have the same platform the GTO is more expensive and is viewed as more of a Luxury/Sporty car than the Firebird's sports car image and thats what they wanted. But I'm not going to tell you how to feel its your opinion but I just don't agree with it

Im sorry I just have to agree 150% with Core on this one! Screw Pontiac for turning there back on the Firebird!!!!!!!!!

Hell you can all disagree with me but I choose to see it one way and you choose to see it another its nothing good or bad just different opinions based on what has been said but I don't think you will find the words Firebird is low class coming from any Pontiac employee's mouth and I have seen alot of quote's

CORE402, the one thing you should be careful about is basing your opinion on magazine articles. dont get me wrong, ive learned a hell of a lot of theory and tech info from mags over the years, however they are also human, and state their opinions, which dosnt make them right.

I have it on the authority of my GM and ASE certified Chevy transmission tech that the transmission in the vettes will handle 600hp, and have seen 500hp supercharged vettes on NO2 with factory rear ends, i really dont think that we have to worry about more than say 2% of the population putting more hp than that to the pavement.

Now youll also note, that i said that i agreed that if you were switching over to strait up drag racing, the solid axle would be a better idea, but the IRS in the Vette is plenty strong regardless of how you and i feel.

this is how i see it....if you call the firebird low class that wouldnt be true...who owns the majority of the fbirds? well the middle and upper class of the country does.....now wouldnt that make the Firebird a High class car...the firebirds targets every age group and every class. kids want one because its a fast sporty car...middle aged men want one because they still want to be a kid...and old men want one because...well hell they only live once....Pontiac had a really good thing going...its a shame they ended it....

I would never call the car low class. I love the Firebird. Pontiac is going for the higher class BMW-like cars. In the opinion of Pontiac the Firebird does not fill in this category. Therefore no more Firebird.

In response about the IRS on new Camaros. I do not totally dislike the idea of a well handling Camaro using an IRS setup. When using the IRS the cost of the Camaro will rise along with the other problems I spoke of. The Camaro was built to be cheap. If they can get around cost with an IRS setup that would be fine. I dont want to pay $35,000 for a Camaro in the future while the new mustang only costs $26,000. Camaros were once affordable cars that you or I could buy. In 2002 the Camaro were going into the $30k+ region. No wonder everyone is going for these SRT-4s these days get almost as much bang for $10K less. Camaros aren't supposed to compete with Vettes. Just keep them fast and Cheap!

fast and cheap.... ill get on board with that ;)