getting new subs

I've had 2 jl w3 12s for a while now

recently i blew the cone off one... so i'm looking for a new pair of subs...
(i know this can be easily repaired but i'm looking to go louder also...)

so my search has brought me to a choice of 5
my trunk can't support 15s not enough clearence...
so 12s

mofo
jl w6
solo baric l7
xxx or the sx
or brahma.

i'm not going competiton or anything... so i'm looking at the 140 db range. i want sound quality up to that point... driving around any louder i don't think is safe for my brain.
i'm favoring the l7s for the price and i've heard good things about them.
the xxx and the brahma's i don't know the prices of.

i do believe that the the brahama and xxx may be too much... (i don't believe that one of these could be as good as 2 l7 or mofos... i could be wrong i've never heard the mofos or the xxx or brahma)
if anyone has any suggestions for 200 a piece range
up to 500 a pair

audiobahn 1208?

or should my w3s be pounding like mad?

they just aren't loud enough for me...
i also need tips on a new amp

i do believe that the the brahama and xxx may be too much... (i don't believe that one of these could be as good as 2 l7 or mofos... i could be wrong i've never heard the mofos or the xxx or brahma)


either of them would utterly trounce the l7s in sound quality, but you're right in thinking that a single B or XXX couldn't keep up with a pair of l7s.

And both the 12" XXX and Brahma will be around $380 shipped, each

check out the RE SE 12's. A pair of them would be around $500 I believe, and from what I hear the sound quality will be leaps and bounds above the kickers, without sacrificing output.

Are you planning on going ported or sealed?

really... i haven't decided on sealed or ported i have to measure my trunk... but ported if i can.

i'm liking the l7s or the 1208... because they are on ebay and reaudio isn't ;)

i'm seeing either of those 2 for no more than 400 a pair.
i'll have to look into to sx... i'm asking the sales rep at re for a price list.

Well at least don't go with the 1208. Neither of those have great sound quality - trust me, its better to spend a little extra now than a lot more later getting a sub with the SQ you want.

what about the w6?
i'm hearing good sq put not too loud
i've heard lots of good things about the l7s

like i said i'm not going for competition or anything.
just something to make the hair stand when you hear it. ya know
and i want my neighbors a couple streets over to know i'm coming home

I haven't heard the w6, but I'd venture a guess that sound quality is pretty good. If you've got the money, I would still say a Brahma or XXX - they have great SQ and get insanely loud as well. But I'd guess that the w6 will perform well for what your looking for

What's your budget for subs and amp?

I had 2 L7's and then 3. Two L7's pounded pretty good in my ported box with max rms power(750). The only problem I had with them was that they were too easy to blow, but I hear the magnet has been redesigned in this years model so maybe that isn't an issue nowadays.

i'm looking for no more than 500 for subs...
and amp i'm not sure on yet...

yeah the w6v2 has great sound quality, but not all that much output for the price you pay for it

Honestly I don't think you'll enjoy the L7s, for beginners they're fine, but now that you're used to the w3s, chances are you're going to be disappointed with the sound quality of the L7s. Sound quality is one of those things where once you get it, you never go back. If you ever take a step in the reverse direction, you'll never be satisfied, but if you've never heard better then you'll be content with what you have. So if someone were to move from some Lanzars to L7s they would be perfectly happy, but if you step back from some w3v2s to the L7s, you'll be kicking yourself. They'll definitely be louder, but then again it's not that hard to get louder than a pair of 12w3s.

You can get 2 L7's 12" for like 150-200 before shipping I think on ebay.

Thats true. My L7's did get pretty loud but sq wasn't the greatest. Do you care about sq? If not then the L7's are an decent choice for the price. Besides you can make almost any sub "loud" especially for your applications which seem to be street beating not competitions. But if you want sq then look around.

For $500 you could try 2 Adire Koda 10's (http://www.adireaudio.com/TextPages/KodaSubsPageFrameText.htm) I'd be curious to see how they perform.

yah... sq seems to be a lot more expensive that loudness.
i'm trying to find a bit of both with out getting up to like 300+ a sub... ya know?

i'm thinking those would have w3 loudness

The koda 10's are pure sound quality though, they won't get all that loud, especially not compared to what else is out there for the price

I still say a pair of SE 12's ported

Not sure why you would rather buy from ebay instead of direct from RE.
ebay = no warranty and a reasonable chance of being screwed (still not high, but it's there)
RE = full warranty and little to no chance of being screwed

why does everyone feel the need to get 2 10s or 12s? why not one 15? i say get 1 xxx or 1 brahma, but thats just me i guess....

ok... will i really notice the drop in sq...
the subs will be behind my seats most of the time,
my 6x9s are damn loud.

the sx's are a step down from the xxx and a step up from the se?


15's wont fit i have 16inches of trunk clearence

Or 2 (or hell, get 4 if you can shell out $500 =D )Shivas(http://www.acoustic-visions.com/~acoustic/products/subwoofer_drivers/adire_shiva/) wouldn't be too bad either. Just look around, lots of chioces. I've had one, and it sounded awesome, and output wasn't bad either, especially for 125 a sub.

also, are your w3s sealed right now?

a friend of mine has a pair of sealed 12w3v2s on a 500/1 and my ported 12A kills them in output and quality, according to me, him, and everyone who's sat in both of our cars and compared. Like I said 12w3s aren't that hard to beat, I would spend the extra money you have on going for quality instead of even more output that you won't use. Remember, people regularly hit 140+ with single 12" XXXs, Brahmas, IDMAXs, and Magnum D2s. All of which are sound quality driviers and in low-tuned ported boxes intended for daily driving.

ok... will i really notice the drop in sq...
the subs will be behind my seats most of the time,
my 6x9s are damn loud.


Your 6x9s won't cover the low end fequencies that a sub will, and you will definatly notice the sq drop. Give me a can of beans, and my ass can make better sounds than the L7, but probably not as loud (almost...)

ok... will i really notice the drop in sq...
the subs will be behind my seats most of the time,
my 6x9s are damn loud.

the sx's are a step down from the xxx and a step up from the se?


15's wont fit i have 16inches of trunk clearence


IMO, yes you will notice a loss in SQ

yes the SX are between the XXX and SE, and you'll need a LOT of power if you plan on going with a pair of those. So much power in fact that you'll need to do some electrical upgrades in order to even provide the necessary power to them

16" is fine, most 15" drivers have a diameter of 15.5", then the extra quarter inch on either side would leave you enough room for the screws. do it....you know you want to

^wow... seriously thats too much for me heh
anyone ever heard those blueprints?

anyone ever heard those blueprints?
not I said the fly....


damn this is a busy thread, by the time I finish typing a response it's 4 posts too late

450 is soo much money for one sub...

and y so much power for the sx as opposed to the xxx or brahma?

cause if i get one eventually i'll get another...
i just gotta have 2

http://www.acoustic-visions.com/~acoustic/products/subwoofer_drivers/blueprint/
??

Yeah, but seriously I'd go with a 15" Brahma or XXX. I'm positive you could fit it in there, and you'd be more than happy with it. Hey sr20, shouldn't you have received yours by now? It shipped 9 days ago...

^but serioulsy thats mass money for a sub...

i'm going to have to search around more and think about it... cause though i say 500 i really mean 4... heh


why would the sx require soo much power? this i really don't understand.
as opposed to the se or even the xxx

is there anyway to tell how loud and how well a sub can sound just by looking at the specs the maf. give you?

come on you gotta get back to me with the y soo much power thing... i'm itching over here...
i shouldn't need any more than 600watt a piece to have em throbbing right?
i know i'm going to need a drycell already.

You'll need even more power with the XXX than with the SX. They're power hogs, all supersubs are. With speakers, you have a thing called the iron law, which basically states that you can have low frequency extension, high efficiency, and small box capability, but you can only pick 2 of those. "Supersubs" are those subs that have excellent sound quality and low frequency extension, and they can also go in small boxes, but then the tradeoff is they aren't very efficient, and you'll need to pump power into them to really get them moving. No a XXX or an SX will not work well on 600rms, you'd need more than double that just for a single XXX. An SX doesn't take quite as much, but you'd still need a little less than double that per sub.

Why are you so insistent on having 2 subs? You just said you wanted it in the 140 range....a single 15" supersub by any of the companies listed in here can do that, hell they might even be able to do that in a sealed box. People have hit 149-150 with a single 15" XXX ported on several occasions, they're very capable.

And no you can't see how good a sub will sound by the specs, at least not very accurately.

And no the B isn't here yet, UPS sucks....they just decided to let it sit in their sorting facility for a full week before it started moving, it's due here next Tues.

And no the B isn't here yet, UPS sucks....they just decided to let it sit in their sorting facility for a full week before it started moving, it's due here next Tues.

Don't you hate ups? Jeeze, I would be going insane if it took 15 days to get it. I was eager enough when it took 3 days to get my nine.1

heh, well it's not like I'm going without bass for the time being, I still have one of the best SQ drivers there is sitting in my trunk running off the Cadence (Elemental Designs e12A.22, the flat cone model). And I've waited around 2 months already for the brahma, what's a couple more days? ;)

but yes I do hate UPS....as long as it arrives in one piece I guess I can forgive them though

http://www.acoustic-visions.com/~acoustic/products/subwoofer_drivers/adire_brahma

this says i'd need less than 1k

Couldnt a nine.1 push a XXX decently?

or a or an p.a. 2400 mono block

http://www.millionbuy.com/paka2400db.html

nine.1 would be better, look into it

I've just gotten the nine.1 and it's great, and the 1200 at 1 ohm will be more than enough for a Brahma in the correct box (which is what I plan on doing ), plus it is very sexy.

ok... sorry to keep dragging this on...
but what about the magnum d2?

hows that hold up to the xxx or brahma?

what about the magnum d2?

it's a very good sub

cheaper than the xxx and brahma, not as good, but still a very nice sub. Similar to the IDMAX IMO

My girlfriend bought a new Maxima and we want to add a 12 inch woofer in the trunk...any suggestions?

price?

As for the nine.1 pushing a XXX, i got 3rd place in a SPL competition yesterday using the nine.1 and a XXX15

could (2) nine.1's push 1 XXX?

2 nine.1s can...

sure, but you would get just slightly more power than if you had 1 on the xxx

what amp can push a XXX to its fullest

anything that puts out 1500-2000x1 @ 1 or 4ohm

anything that puts out 1500-2000x1 @ 1 or 4ohm
How is it slightly more power?

If I use my quad 1 ohm and wire in another nine.1 strapped. It would be a .5 ohm load for each therefore having a power output of 1900 watts each amp and a total output of 3800 watts

Sure, but I wouldn't trust a nine.1 at .5ohm continuous. You can try it if you want, but I wouldn't count on it lasting too long. I was referring to running each amp at 2ohm.

Or just get a dual 4 and run them together at 2ohms then you would be getting a 3000 watts to that sub

that works too

seems like it would be a waste though unless you were competing, considering 1500rms could push a xxx to full excursion without all that much difficulty. 3000rms would just give you a bunch of headroom for daily listening

i'm going with the orion h2 the 15.2... good chioce?