Si really worth it?

Hows it going fellas, i am in teh market to buy a crx (88-91) and was wondering what are athe major differenced between an si and other crx's (other than engine) in other words if i were doing an engine swap would their chassis be teh same? thanks

si has more interior options, 90-91 si crx has rear disc brakes, Si has an indash tach. Overall not much differnce. If your going for performance the HF is the lightest, followed by the DX and then the Si is the heavyest. Same goes for years 88 was the lightest and 91 was the heavyest, but its a margin of less than a couple hundred pounds.

Si was worth it to me. I love my sunroof. And its nice to have MPFI from factory. I bought it because I knew I was going to do a swap into it. And nothing beats si seats.

dont know, my trans-am seats are pretty damn comfy

Moonroof, MPFI, Si tranny, Si seats, Black interior, Tach, Swaybars, front bumber... that's about it

Si are overall a little better start then the rest of them

What? No "Hi Noob, welcome to the forum!"? What's become of us?:)

Anyway...

Hi Noob, welcome to the forum!! :wave:

BTW, the Si is a nice place to start, especially if you can get one with the rear disk brakes. GL

Hi Noob... I like my Si. The only way I'd get a DX or HF is if I had an Si parts car and a lot of time on my hands... GL

No sense in getting an Si, get a 4dr EX, i believe they are lighter than all but the HF, PLUS power windows, seatbelts, and locks, and big brakes up front... plus great sleeper

I started off with a CRX DX because it was alot cheaper than an Si. I did the motor swap and pretty much evrything in the engine bay went out the door anyway. A moonroof would be nice and the rer disc brakes would be good too but, I'm planning to upgrade the brakes and suspension anyways.

No sense in getting an Si, get a 4dr EX, i believe they are lighter than all but the HF, PLUS power windows, seatbelts, and locks, and big brakes up front... plus great sleeper

Really? The EX weighs 2368lbs, how much does the CRX Si weigh?

Really? The EX weighs 2368lbs, how much does the CRX Si weigh?

about 2200 I believe. Well, I figured mine weighed less cuz I have 9Lb 14x5" rims, A/C delete, lightweight pulleys and flywheel, a custom plexiglass moonroof and burnt off undercoat but I have 2 10" subs in a small, lightweight bandpass box so that adds some weight back on to it. So you gotta remember if you're going to get big rims, most will add some weight unless they're spoon, rotas, racinghart or some other expensive brand. Plus a system adds weight. It all depends on what you want it for...

si for sure........can't beat a sunroof....

I'd look at it like this....

If you're goin to do motor swap, then get the HF model since its lighter and most likely cheaper. Later on you can get rear disc conversion. Thats IF you dont care about options. If you care about the options then get an SI.

well, to me its just a matter of not being able to find an si right away, and i need a car and there are more non-si crx's that i am able to find, i kind of want to stay away from 88 cuz i found that they have some strange rear wheel steering. so i am looking into getting a 89-91. alo how much would it cost to do a rear brake disc conversion?? thanks!!

Go look carefully at a few CRXs and maybe you'll notice features you prefer on one than another.

'88 crx si has the best handling. I would love to get ahold of one if i can find any.

'88 crx si has the best handling. I would love to get ahold of one if i can find any.

Any CRX can be made to handle the way you want.

88's had what they called Passive Rear Steering, people comblained about it being "twitchy" so honda did away with it. I belive its only crx as my 88 hatch doesnt have it (I dont think... although it does kinda seem like the back end swings around when taking sharp curves and stuff... hell maby it does)

so is it true 4 wheel steering? When you turn the steering wheel to the right do the rear wheels point to the left? I never heard of this on crx's only on preludes.

its not true 4 wheel sterring its passive, so theres no hydrolics or nothing accually turning the wheels. Its kinda like the toe has slack in it so that it does it by the pressure when you turn or something. I'v never been able to find an artical on it that explains exactly how it works.

yeah tahts what it was, passive steering, so anyone like it or not?

It was supposed to be more adgile (I'm possative thats not spelt right.. .sue me), but I read that the reason they discontinued it was because it seemed "twitchy"

The following was quoted from an article on Sport Compact Car's website...
"On the 1988 models, the passive rear steering is exceptionally strong, making them extremely nimble. On later years, much of the rear steering was tuned out, bringing handling more in line with conventional front drivers. Many road racers prefer the earlier car's more aggressive handling, but warn that they must be tuned differently. A big rear anti-roll bar that you would use on any other Civic or CRX is an invitation for snap oversteer on an '88. Most CRX experts agree that for a street car, '89 and later cars are preferable."

do you have the link to that article, i would like to read up on it more thanks

So last question is, getting an 88 crx dx is ok, instead of waiting to forever trying to find an 88 si right? just teh rear discs and engine are the only differences? thanks!!

rear discs will bolt directly on from either a 90/91 crx si or an integra, theres a how-to on fourthgenhatch (http://www.fourthgenhatch.com)

rear discs will bolt directly on from either a 90/91 crx si or an integra, theres a how-to on fourthgenhatch (http://www.fourthgenhatch.com)

will the prop valve from a 90 teg auto with ABS work?

let me run to the house and pick up my "big book of knowledge"

have to use nonABS, the abs ones are shaped differnt and will not work.

so what else will or will not work from an AUTO? what about the hard lines? does the thickness affect performance or will the booster take care of that? any noticable difference in upgrading to braided lines?

auto will work, 90-93 teg 15/16" master cyl and brake booster non ABS is the one to go with. There is a 1" master cylinder that comes on something that is idea, but at the moment I cant recall what it comes on, teg type r, dont know though. You might have to change the fittings on the hard lines or buy an adapter but it should bolt right up. For some of the prop valves you have to rebend the lines to make them line up with the holes right. Braded lines will increase brake firmness... if you like them firm... as we all do.

I'm going to go with 15/16 MC booster (1" if i can find it), teg prop valve, 11.1" prelude rotors (got brand new honda ones on ebay for $5) and type R calipers, and teg rear discs.

thats the same kinda set-up I wanted but really wanted to keep my HX rims. I guess im back to the good ol' Sis. im guessing the prelude rotors are from the 2ng gen right?

these came from a 94, dont know prelude gens good though. Have to run atleast a 15" rim with that setup.

This is from CRXSi.com. It's a list of things that vary from models and years of CRXs. click here (http://www.crxsi.com/resources/diff_sec_gen.htm)

This from that Sport Compact Car website... article about CRX project car. click here (http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0012scc_projcrx/)

IMO, I wouldn't go with the 88' model, because it was the first year Honda changed the design of the CRX (first year of 2nd generation CRX) so they were still ironing out the design flaws. This seems like an obvious reason why there are differences, like axle spline count for example, between 88 and the rest of the 2nd gen CRXs. There are even more differences that took place between 89 and 90. And as far as the 88 Si having that "twitchy" rear steering system, you can make any CRX "twitchy" based on your suspension set up and how far you take your driving.

From what i've researched that many autocrossers used the '88 si. It also has similar suspension to the ITR. And ITR is the 3rd best handling honda.

so what would be the top 3 handling hondas? also, hw do the 1st gen crx's compare to the second gen's? i have seen a couple of 87's pretty cheap so i might just get one of those, and could they be set up to handle like the 88' ?? thanks fellas, u have shown nothing but lvoe, honda owners rule!

Sweet link Turtle!

The dx is good if you want a daily driver.
other than that, go Si forsure, i wish i had a sunroof and the stock sawblade rims, the better engine ect.

I almost had the chance of getting an 88 crx but decided to get my 90 civic for even less. But now seeing that the rear suspension was similar to the ITR, I feel guilty. :banghead:

was that suspension only like that for crx? because my 88 hatch looks a little differnt than other ones I'v looked at.

88 hatch and crx have the itr like suspention i believe

^^^ correct

88 hatch and crx have the itr like suspention i believe


I dont know about the hatches. Most likely its not like the '88 crx si. Someone back me up on this cause i've researched and it says crx uses different suspension than hatches do.

so what would be the top 3 handling hondas?



Goes like this...

NSX, S2k, ITR and i believe the prelude type SH (someone just told me about it today) and then the Crx SI

I believe it is hatches also, and not just si's, my hatches suspension is differnt than 89-91. Maby was an option or something?