How to race an Automatic

not sure if this is the right place to post this but my friend recently bought a 1999 celica and its automatic and he wants to know if theres a anything special he can do to get a better jump off the line

hold left foot on brake pedal, rev up with right foot, release left foot, steer.

DO NOT NEUTRAL DROP!
(rev up in neutral and drop it into gear)

Yes but you can ruin your torque converter that way. I wouldn't recommend doing it a lot. I have triptonic so I push the throttle about 1/4 way off the line, half way til about 20 and then slowly push it harder and harder as my speed increases and shift. If I try doing it any other way, I'd just keep spinning.

All this of course happens in a matter of seconds and depends on your car. When I floor my friends MP5 I don't get any wheelspin. 8 seconds later I'd be at 60 :lol2:

neutral drop is bad times....my buddy had to replace his tranny in his mustang LX for doing too many neutral drops....definetely use the gritmaster technique

neutral drop is bad times....my buddy had to replace his tranny in his mustang LX for doing too many neutral drops....definetely use the gritmaster technique


It is the best in terms of racing...but you'll ruin your torque converter.


Auto tranny 101 http://auto.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter1.htm

Depends on the car, And if you do it alot yes, but to a lesser extent it will shorten the life, but not out right ruin it.

I doubt you'll end up doing more than 300 races, and I'd imagine it'd take that many to ruin it.

All just guesses tho.

Plus. You gotta have some starting torque for a torque converter in the first place. and celicas don't have any :P

Drop it into L and race ford probes with 17" wheels and aftermarket BOV's duhhhhh.

hahaha

When the light turns green, stepon the gas...thats how I raced my Lancer...sure it was an ES, but it had the pow...no, nevermind

How cool, I just saw an episode on Judge Judy of a dude who wrecked a friend's transmission by doing a neutral drop. So don't do that. Ah what am I saying, I watch Judge Judy, how cool can it be. When the light turns green, hit the gas. It shouldn't have the powa to atomize the tires just yet.

yea thats the safest way, or just brake it and find out the rpm right below where it spins the tires and hold it there then let off the brake and punch it

It is the best in terms of racing...but you'll ruin your torque converter.


Auto tranny 101 http://auto.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter1.htm


the celica does not have engouh power to be able to heat the converter up to the point of failure. Unless he was powerbraking for like 2 min. Just throw a tranny cooler on it and youll be fine.

Some people get stall converters too.......but its a waste unless you have some good torque

the celica does not have engouh power to be able to heat the converter up to the point of failure. Unless he was powerbraking for like 2 min. Just throw a tranny cooler on it and youll be fine.

corection, celicas cant actually torque brake. most are FWD and i beleive there is an AWD version avalable. there are no RWD celicas coming out of the factory. You can hold the brake down and push the gas to the floor for hours and not damage the converter on a celica because you will either drag on your brakes or just sit there. all converters have a stall point. its why when crusing in an automatic and the engine is sitting around idle speeds just barely moving enough tranny fluid through the turbine to keep the car atthe speed, then you mash the gas and the revs go up but you dont accelerate that much untill right about a cartian RPM. the converter in the dads trailblazer is a stock 2100RPM converter. if im crusin at 1500RPM its almost like turbo lag when i mash it. a celicas engine has so little low end torque that once it got near the stall speed there wouldnt be enough torque created even fromthe converters torque multiplying capablilities to brake the tires loose. a converter spinning at 2000RPM doesnt heat up all too quickly...

corection, celicas cant actually torque brake. most are FWD and i beleive there is an AWD version avalable. there are no RWD celicas coming out of the factory. You can hold the brake down and push the gas to the floor for hours and not damage the converter on a celica because you will either drag on your brakes or just sit there. all converters have a stall point. its why when crusing in an automatic and the engine is sitting around idle speeds just barely moving enough tranny fluid through the turbine to keep the car atthe speed, then you mash the gas and the revs go up but you dont accelerate that much untill right about a cartian RPM. the converter in the dads trailblazer is a stock 2100RPM converter. if im crusin at 1500RPM its almost like turbo lag when i mash it. a celicas engine has so little low end torque that once it got near the stall speed there wouldnt be enough torque created even fromthe converters torque multiplying capablilities to brake the tires loose. a converter spinning at 2000RPM doesnt heat up all too quickly...

are you sure it has a 2100rpm stall stock, it's not aftermarket? I don't know why they'd make a stock Blazer with that high of a stall.

corection, celicas cant actually torque brake. most are FWD and i beleive there is an AWD version avalable. there are no RWD celicas coming out of the factory. You can hold the brake down and push the gas to the floor for hours and not damage the converter on a celica because you will either drag on your brakes or just sit there. all converters have a stall point. its why when crusing in an automatic and the engine is sitting around idle speeds just barely moving enough tranny fluid through the turbine to keep the car atthe speed, then you mash the gas and the revs go up but you dont accelerate that much untill right about a cartian RPM. the converter in the dads trailblazer is a stock 2100RPM converter. if im crusin at 1500RPM its almost like turbo lag when i mash it. a celicas engine has so little low end torque that once it got near the stall speed there wouldnt be enough torque created even fromthe converters torque multiplying capablilities to brake the tires loose. a converter spinning at 2000RPM doesnt heat up all too quickly...


I know all converters have a stall point. When I say brake torque, I mean to fash the converter (bring it up to stall.) What I was talking about was the heat generated when you flash a converter. It genereates massive ammounts of heat that can over time lead to converter and tranny failure. Also a correction for you. A converter spinning at 2000 rpm can heat up quickly. It all depends on fin angle and how much fluid is in the converter. What does brake torqing have to do with it being FWD or RWD?

The "turbo lag" you feel in your dads trailblazer is the time it takes for the converter to unlock.

I race an 11 sec Automatic car. Plus I just received my Caterpillar certification for powertrains and transmissions. I have had torque converters, torque dividers,lock up clutch converters,dual impeller converters,impeller clutch converters, and one way clutch converters apart and back together so many times it is not funny.

are you sure it has a 2100rpm stall stock, it's not aftermarket? I don't know why they'd make a stock Blazer with that high of a stall.

it is GM's anwser for the heavy stuff being underpowered. Ford does the same thing with Explorer

When the light turns green, stepon the gas...thats how I raced my Lancer...sure it was an ES, but it had the pow...no, nevermind

lol...ya...just go when its green...there's nothing more to it...

i just found it funny how max worded it...lol, maybe it is just me...

Drop it into L and race ford probes with 17" wheels and aftermarket BOV's duhhhhh.

hey that wasnt funnie.. you know some of us do drive probes..
damm i wish i wasnt the only one driving a turbo probe... i got no support.. o0 well what evey take you low blows.. i keep boosting and beating cars..
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I just recently aquired a 91 probe GT turbo. It was given to me by an old friend that can no longer drive. i don't know what I am going to do with it. Probabally use it for my daily driver.

Whats with all the probe bashing lately? I think it needs to simmer down now.

i agree.. but hypsi if you need help of any advice on what parts go good with this car and the strong and week points im here.. finally glad that some one else can vouch for these cars but me.. youll see if you get into tuning it, its a fun little car that will suprise you.. good luck
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nothing wrong with probes here... i actually wouldn't mind having one for a daily driver or to just fool around with. Hope you enjoy your ride!

nothing wrong with probes here... i actually wouldn't mind having one for a daily driver or to just fool around with. Hope you enjoy your ride!


interesting sig... Wanna race. :smokin: :evillol:

Just playin


Thanks turbo2nr. I have to get the GN up and running before I even touch the probe. I blew a head gasket awhile back and I have not had much time to mess with it.

corection, celicas cant actually torque brake. most are FWD and i beleive there is an AWD version avalable. there are no RWD celicas coming out of the factory. You can hold the brake down and push the gas to the floor for hours and not damage the converter on a celica because you will either drag on your brakes or just sit there. all converters have a stall point. its why when crusing in an automatic and the engine is sitting around idle speeds just barely moving enough tranny fluid through the turbine to keep the car atthe speed, then you mash the gas and the revs go up but you dont accelerate that much untill right about a cartian RPM. the converter in the dads trailblazer is a stock 2100RPM converter. if im crusin at 1500RPM its almost like turbo lag when i mash it. a celicas engine has so little low end torque that once it got near the stall speed there wouldnt be enough torque created even fromthe converters torque multiplying capablilities to brake the tires loose. a converter spinning at 2000RPM doesnt heat up all too quickly...


maybe im just a dumb redneck that can't understand the content of this post but, I am trying to figure out what he is correcting me on. Anyone elese see what he correcting me on. (Except maybe my spelling because I SUCK at it.)

Hypsi, this board is filled with self proclaimed geniouses.

HAHAHAHA, the picture is hilarious^^^^^^^^^^

there were RWD celicas in the 70's and early 80's
all AWD celicas sold in the US had manuals.

Get a line lock

hey that wasnt funnie.. you know some of us do drive probes..

If you took offense to that you need to reread the "type R probes are the shiznit" thread.

I know all converters have a stall point. When I say brake torque, I mean to fash the converter (bring it up to stall.) What I was talking about was the heat generated when you flash a converter. It genereates massive ammounts of heat that can over time lead to converter and tranny failure. Also a correction for you. A converter spinning at 2000 rpm can heat up quickly. It all depends on fin angle and how much fluid is in the converter. What does brake torqing have to do with it being FWD or RWD?

The "turbo lag" you feel in your dads trailblazer is the time it takes for the converter to unlock.

I race an 11 sec Automatic car. Plus I just received my Caterpillar certification for powertrains and transmissions. I have had torque converters, torque dividers,lock up clutch converters,dual impeller converters,impeller clutch converters, and one way clutch converters apart and back together so many times it is not funny.

OK i stand corrected. a FWD car will not stand still and power brake for many reasons. If it has ABS or traction controll systems they will sence that the front wheels have lost traction but the rear hasnt. this, inturn, releases braking power from the front at which point the rears just drag and the car looks silly. somt traction control systems integraded into the tranny will put it in neutral untill the car regains traction. all 99% of traction controll systems care about is the front whels since they are what controll the vehcile. they still altar the rear but the front is what they are designed to keep under controll. The brakeing force on the front is, in many cases, 2 times that of the rear. this makes it easy for the rears to brake loose while the fronts dont roll. where as FWD cars will often do as i said above and just drag the rear tires. they also do this because there is little wieght on the rear. less weight=less traction.

What do you mean by "unlock?" i always thought it was because the converter has to reach stall speeds to hook up.

it is GM's anwser for the heavy stuff being underpowered. Ford does the same thing with Explorer

The converter is stock. we where putting in an extra tranny cooler and decided to do an early fluid and filter change after a big towing trip (over 2500miles towing a 5,000lb trailer). i was wondering what the stall was so i looked it up. @2100 the coverter is fully engaged. it starts engageing at 1600. aftering staying at a steady RPM for so long it locks like a manual clutch to save gas. the torque curve on the inline 6 is actually quite good. better then the torque curve on a stock RB26 or supra i-6. GM's only better torque curves are the diesels and the i-5. and 275hp isnt bad for a 5500lb SUV. about the same as a classic large sedan. and if you ask me its probably 275 at the wheels and a tad over 300 at the fly. we are soon to add flowmasters. it already has a K&N filter. hopefully the flowmasters wont be too loud. i like the quite exaust.