Skyline Engine?

Hows the room doing? when it comes to cars one of my favorites is the vr4, what i have noticed is that when cars have the awd technology it can be heavy weight. i have also heard the awd skyline isnt that light weight either. even though the 3000gt has alot crammed into it i have noticed the car can have its weight reduced dramatically as well. but what i am curious to know is if the RB26dett type engine with the transmission can be installed into the 3kgt vr4 machine. i do have doubts about it though since the engine has an east to west type of design instead of a north to east type of engine design. :biggrin: this is a question i havent seen on the internet but any help would be appreciated

thanks again
streetsailor

^Seriously!

Why would you want to do that? It produces less HP and torque then the Mitsu engine does (I do realize that the Nissan engine can be built past anything done to a VR4) It would be a bear to try and get it in there and get the stearing hooked up.

Anything is possible :) that is if ur pockets are deep :biggrin:

If you were going to waste your money doing an engine swap you would be better off swapping in a 2jz. they are much better than a RB26DETT.

They're also designed for a rear wheel drive car correct? there isnt a 3/S that is rear wheel drive, the skyline is designed for AWD just like the VR-4's are.

And.

The 2JZ is not that much better. If it even is at all.

The 2JZ might not be a better engine, but the aftermarket for everything that bolts up to is a hell of a lot better, and much easyer to get ahold of hear in the states than anything for the RB26DETT. If do a swap it would be to an LS1, which may happen in a year or so.

What exactly is a LS1 out of?

F-bodies (Camaro / Firebird), Corvette.

Are trans Ams the same as firebirds?

trans am is the firebird equivialnt of the camaro SS

They're the good verion of the cars.

Also in the new GTO if I'm not mistaken...

Scratch that LS1 conversion I was planning on for next year. I finally found an LS1 powered kit car. The kit wont be for sale to the general public for a couple years, but that should give me time to get enough money together.

very interesting question eh? :smokin: not sure what musashi was typing seriously like what or tell me about it, it sounds great that yogs reply was about the steering comment, but the money would probably cost alot for this swap eh? i just wonder if the car would be good in those car shows if it was done, maybe not for functioning for a driving type car eh?, then someone mentioned an awd rb26dett to being rwd with the 2jz-gte, then comes american muscle whats interesting to know is if its been done before, i have seen grand tourismo having the 3000gt to being 1200hp :loser: but in real life isnt 10 seconds in 1/4 mile for a 3000gt vr4 all its capable of cause thats all i have noticed :uhoh: just a few comments

any other comments would be appreciated
thanks again
streetsailor

Seriously?

I just thought it was a silly question, no disrespect or anything but is sounds like only until recently you discovered cars. A skyline engine in a 3s is sort of an insult to any 3s driver, well at least to me it is!
did you know that when the 3000GT first came out it had a faster stock 1/4 mile then the GTR? and what Yogs said is true, even the R-34's RB26DETT still produces less HP and torque than our 6G72's.
GrandTurismo??? and why are you so concerned at the 1/4 speed of a Japanese supersport? Jap cars can be modified to run fast 1/4 miles but the 1/4 mile is an Americans sport, a Japanese car is designed to be driven hard through a course not run straight lines. Do you know what a Japanese dude told me about the 1/4 mile? he said "you americans have yet to discover true automobilismo, you think straight line is cool? a solid brick and a bundle of rope have the skills to run a 1/4 mile" what he ment was put a brick on top of the accelerator and bind the wheel with rope and let er fly......kinda rude but you gotta see it from his prespective.
Also why a RB26DEtt? you think that engine is the best engine anywhere? its not. its a hell of an engine but that dosent mean it should be swapped into everything out there.
Consider why this engine is so popular? I'll tell you why. the biggest automotive sport in japan is JGTC, the JG has been dominated by the nissan GTR with its RB26DEtt for the past couple of years, that makes it the best engine in Japan! untill now. This year the Nissan GTR (JG race car) has been outfitted with the 3.5 litter from the 350Z. so my dear friend if the very people who glorified the RB26DEtt and turnned it into a legend now believe that its no longer worhty of being in thier race car, I just dont see why we should care for it.

maybe the 240sx guys would be more interested in this question but it just seemed obsered to me. in any case sorry for just writting "seriously" I should have explained it better.

RB26DETT's actually have a good amount more HP then the 3000's. even though its only rated at 275, people have dynoed completely stock motors at near or slightly above 400hp, Although that may just be the australian ones.
Regardless they're extremely underrated in the HP section.

Sounds good to me musashi no insult taken, in human nature when one notices something new one may need to learn to understand their ignorance and then learn to be a teacher afterwards, variety of things in life also makes one smarter so why stop learning. when it comes to cars i dont really have a sports car but when one tries to learn a language you cannot really claim to understand it unless you can explain it in details with the 3000gt i was amazed with the performance of the car but couldnt imagine what it would of been if it was a vr4 cause it was fast. i am not really trying to insult any car but everyone has different tastes and it can be connected to their character so judging a person if one doesnt respect diversity thats a loss that will be noticed with time, i have noticed that if one gets an rx7 and puts in a supra engine it may have great power to weight ratio have weird weight distribution but the car has lost its soul of originality for what its respected for. for the purpose of racing in real life i doubt i may do it cause one would drive the car like its going to be gone like tomorrow unless one has a wad of cash in the times where it can be a little challenging to find jobs that some others take for granted. also i am not sure about whats up with the deal with the japanese emissions laws but if they cant make their cars like they did in the 90s jspec cars could be considered classics no? technology seems to be getting better and better not sure for what the future holds though other than that thanks for sharing that with me musashi3000gt

take care
streetsailor

RB26DETT's actually have a good amount more HP then the 3000's. even though its only rated at 275, people have dynoed completely stock motors at near or slightly above 400hp, Although that may just be the australian ones.
Regardless they're extremely underrated in the HP section.

..... wtf. i have never heard of a stock RB26DETT producing over 100 kw more than the rated power..... it would have had some modifications....

And the GTR wasnt released locally over here. the only ones we have here are the ones that have been imported over from japan. given that the japanese petrol is 100 octane and the best Australian petrol u can get at the pump is 98 octane the Japanese engines should theoretically be producing more power.

Why is the octaine so much higher over there? And yea that big a difference sounds realy fishy.

So its lighter and dynos stock at 400 hp, but is slower with a better drivetrain.................................right.

Maybe it's not. But I've heard numerous accounts of stock GTR's being dynoed in australia at approx 400 HP, maybe they use a different system? or all the owners are lying. like I said I'm not positive, just quoting what I've heard, and I know for a fact that the RB's are underrated in HP, maybe they arent so much as the 400, but the GTS rates at like 250, why would the GTR only have 25 more? which happens to be the exact limit of the "gentlemens agreement" that sounds fishy to me.

Im not saying its not higher than 280, technically the 3000gt and supra are 280 if you get them in japan, but there is no way they are 400. If they were they would be much faster stock.

Why is the octaine so much higher over there?.

the emissions laws in Japan are mentally strict. so to keep the emissions down they have to use higher octane. thats y they stopped making the s15 silvia (200sx) because they tightened the emissions regualtions and it was going to be too hard to make the silvia pass them.

Im not saying its not higher than 280, technically the 3000gt and supra are 280 if you get them in japan, but there is no way they are 400. If they were they would be much faster stock.

yeah due to the gentlemens agreement every car had to be 206kw or less. but that was just on paper. most cars went out at around 240kw or so.

Actually octane is no higher in Japan and Australia then it is here. If you look at the pump it shows the formula they do to get the octane level. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=334325 Thats just the first one I found but basically the higher of the two, which I beleive is RON(Research octane number) is the only number used to show octane over there.

the new gto's are LS-2's i believe..

So its lighter and dynos stock at 400 hp, but is slower with a better drivetrain.................................right.


i'm with you on that one, thats why the GTO MR beat everything over in Japan stock for stock

i'm with you on that one, thats why the GTO MR beat everything over in Japan stock for stock

just i thawt u mite be interested about this. There is a MR GTO for sale in Melbourne for $46,000 AUS so i sent the guy an email asking him what the difference between a normal GTO and an MR and he said this

"Essentially the MR is the racing spec version of the GTO family and is very
rare in Australia. Most of the difference is in the handling, largely
related to the suspension. The engine is essentially the same, but you will
probably never get to test its limits."

so all he is saying is that its pretty much the suspension that is different. that and the lack of luxury features.

The MR is a stripped down version of a full on GTO. It doesnt have active aero or AWS. The gearing is also different. It also has creatur comfort amenities. So that means cloth seats and basics on the inside. You can basically say its like a base with TT and AWD. Some consider the 95-96 RT/TT's to be the closest American version to the MR we got.

It also has the jap gearing with the 6 speed.

The gearing is also different.

how is it different? i thawt it was just the same 6 speed thats in the twin turbo GTO's?

The MR had shorter gears more made for racing. It is speculated that MR stands for Mitsubishi Racing. Others say it stands for Mass Reduced. I tend to agree with the first since the MR version of the Evo isnt much lighter if at all but it does have the active center differential more bred for racing.

A member over on 3si has an actual brochure for a GTO MR and there is something stated aboiut different gearing.

The MR gearing is just the JDM gearing, but it is shorter than the USDM gearing. Different final drive in the trans and the 5 speed rear end.

The MR gearing is just the JDM gearing, but it is shorter than the USDM gearing. Different final drive in the trans and the 5 speed rear end.

Ahhhhh.... thats what i was wondering about...

So the Gearing on a standard Twin Turbo GTO is the same as the MR GTO then....

That means that the only differences between an MR is less weight due to losing some of the luxury items and active aero and tighter suspension.

sorted.

The MR is 11KG lighter than the TT GTO. Its just a cheeper model, less features. The speed difference between it and the standard TT is negliable.

Yeah I knew it didnt have as many features but i jsut wasnt sure if it had anything significantly better than a standard Twin Turbo GTO. I dont think ill buy the MR then....

I thought they had bigger turbos than a GTO TT.

The euro spec GTO's have 13g's stock. Ive heard the JDM ones have 13g's as an options, but I dont know for sure.

Im not saying its not higher than 280, technically the 3000gt and supra are 280 if you get them in japan, but there is no way they are 400. If they were they would be much faster stock.

pardon my ignorance, but could you please elaborate on the 280hp from japan figures?
they're more powerful when aquired from over there?
sorry, i'm confused...

I think he's talking about on paper?