sti vr. g35 coupe

hehe so my boy got his STI :icon16: he already has a turbo sx intake and a works bov (re circulated) so were merging onto the hi- way in 6th gear doing 65ish.. and i see a nice black g35 fly by with deep dish rims and a big wing... i got good eyes, so i tell my boy to get him, he proceeds to downshitf to 3rd. omfg when a sti catches boost it moves..we catch up to him.. so my boys drives up to him and lets off on the gass a few times each time letting the bov do the talking.. man its loud if you hear it on the hi way.. the guy in the g35 looks, my boy i dont know why gives him the fingure to provoke him, it worked, we slam it back into 3rde floors it as well we jump ahead by a car suprizingly hes keping up and closing in but in the end we get him by like a car..

i know the whole finger thing isnt nice but... we did beat a g35...
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the g35 kept up with a modded sti? hehehe thats kinda funny

Arent they like the new skylines? I've seen one that said skyline on the trunk instead of infinity.

there just as fast as the 350Z if not a tad bit slower, but geez that g35 must be upgraded unless the sti goes to sleep at high speeds like the evo-8

yea keep in my the sti is 3 days old to day.. still not broken fully... and plus my boys doesnt listen to reason and belive that the intake will slow down his car b/c of the way the ecu is calibrated.. but hell learn..
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Either way, the Sti should have destroyed the coupe. I've driven both, and it's not even close (no offense to the G35, great car).

I'd think the G35C would take the sti from a roll. It only has 20 less hp stock for stock but it's RWD, and if it was the new one, they upped the hp to 298. The old one used to trap 100s, so the new one should be even faster. I guess if they raced stock for stock, the G35C would take it.

and what makes you think that? i know a guy with a 350Z 6 speed. those are faster then G35's and my friends EVO took him from a roll. my friends STi is one car faster then the EVO from a roll.

also i know you can't judge a car by the way it pulls, but trust me, a EVO and STi pulls waaaaaay harder then the 350Z. i've sat in or driven both the EVO and STi enough to tell. also we know the guy in the 350Z. we usually floor our cars down this straight and measure what mph we hit before the end. and the STi and the EVO will hit around 75mphs, the Z will only hit like 70ish and thats a 6 speed with a cold air intake.

Ok thats, it, are there any chicago people in here with either one of those cars? I'll bring my friend in his new G35C 6MT and I'll be the third car. We can all race from a roll and put this aside. Tat, I'm sorry to say this, but your head is stuck way up in evo's ass. Every thread turns into, "my friend in his stock evo beat this guy" Anyway, I wanna race an evo or an sti from a roll and bring you guys the outcome on video. That way, there will be no arguing. Stock for stock, the sti should be closer to the G35C from a roll than an Evo, but the G35 should still take them both out. So, who's up for it in the chicago area? I'm not saying I'll beat them or he'll beat them, but this way there won't be any arguments to which one is faster.

And I know that from a stop the G35C would have no chance.

And as far as "feeling faster", you can't judge a car by how fast it feels. First off, the G35 is a luxury coupe, the sti is supposed to feel a lot sportier. My friends E36 M3 "feels" a lot faster than mine 0-60, but I beat him. You can barely hear my engine or anything else when I go 80 mph in 5th because that's how some cars are meant to feel. When I had a civic, the car felt like it was going a lot faster because the engine had to work a lot harder and the noise coming from the outside was loud at the same speed.

Anyway, who's up for a race against a stock G35C and a CL type S so we can find out?

It would seem like the G35 should win, but after watching an STi decimate a Z06 the other night down at the track, I'm willing to bet anything on them....

It would seem like the G35 should win, but after watching an STi decimate a Z06 the other night down at the track, I'm willing to bet anything on them....

But the Z06 was probably catching up, right? Sti's can run 12s all day with a good driver and a nice clutch, but they don't gain like that as the race progresses. If you look at the ET, the Z06's was probably faster when it crossed the line, unless the STi was modified.

Ok...fair call, yes it was gaining speed...but who says they are going to race to 120 all the time? I'm not saying anything bad about G35s or Z06s. I do prefer the STi's and Evo's over the G35s, but then again, I haven't driven a G35 yet. Maybe when I will look you have my opinion will change, but right now...I'm all for the STi.

Ok...fair call, yes it was gaining speed...but who says they are going to race to 120 all the time? I'm not saying anything bad about G35s or Z06s. I do prefer the STi's and Evo's over the G35s, but then again, I haven't driven a G35 yet. Maybe when I will look you have my opinion will change, but right now...I'm all for the STi.


It's not even that. The reason the Sti gets such a huge jump start is because it's AWD, not because it's faster at 40 mph than a Z06. If the Z06 raced the Sti from a 40 mph roll, the sti would get beaten because it doesn't have the AWD advantage from a roll and it won't just pull carlengths on the Corvette, which the corvette would have to make up like it would from a stop. On top of that, RWD and FWD cars have the advantage over AWD from a roll, but that doesn't mean that AWD cars are slow from a roll, they're just a tad slower. If the sti was RWD and raced the G35 from a roll, the Sti would win.

Also, the new G35 coupes are a lot faster than the sedans.

Alright, agreeable. Ya, from a roll, AWD cars won't have the advantage, but their drivetrain loss isn't that bad. If an STi was RWD, ya, it would be pretty wicked, but its meant to hug corners. From a roll, the G35 would win, I'm pretty sure on that, but not by a lot.

A lot of people do give the Evos too much credit, I agree on that, but I've been in an Evo III, and they are wicked fast. Pushing out around 300hp with minor mods is pretty wicked.

As I said, I've been in both, and the real test was giving them from about 30mph and up, and at least the one's I drove, the Sti would beat the G35 by a pretty good margin. From a stop definitely, from a roll as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if the G35 had a supercharger kit which would bring it to around 350whp. That would explain why he satrted pulling on the sti.

Car and driver did a test on the evo and sti when they came out and the sti was 1 tenth a sec faster in the quarter i think but the evo handled better, ive raced an sti from a 60 mph roll i just kept walking away from it thats all i know about themm

Ok thats, it, are there any chicago people in here with either one of those cars? I'll bring my friend in his new G35C 6MT and I'll be the third car. We can all race from a roll and put this aside. Tat, I'm sorry to say this, but your head is stuck way up in evo's ass. Every thread turns into, "my friend in his stock evo beat this guy" Anyway, I wanna race an evo or an sti from a roll and bring you guys the outcome on video. That way, there will be no arguing. Stock for stock, the sti should be closer to the G35C from a roll than an Evo, but the G35 should still take them both out. So, who's up for it in the chicago area? I'm not saying I'll beat them or he'll beat them, but this way there won't be any arguments to which one is faster.

1. Calm-down.

2. In Bimmerforum's own kill area, I have read testimonials from E46 M3 owners who have raced stock STi's who have kept up with them up to 140+mph.

Here's one quote from those boards I found:

stock WRX or stock STi?
I've had an E36 M3 and my little brother currently owns a 2004 M3 SMG and I have an 05' STi....we were neck and neck on the freeway until around 150+...
i see a lot of posts about "fairly stock" E36 M3's pulling on even stock STi's...that's just gibberish or the STi owner really needs to look into buying an econo box and not even racing at all....
even the handling aspect of the cars....it's on driver....both cars handle EXTREMELY WELL....and if you must go by magazine numbers....their skidpads aren't far off....again...like most of these threads come down to...its mostly on the driver to decide the outcome of these races
my $0.02

I HIGHLY doubt that the 350Z will keep up with an E46 M3 that close.

I've seen a vid of an E46 M3 wiping the floor with a 350Z stock for stock, albeit off the line. The Sti is fast, it's not my favorite car or anything, but it works good.

1. Calm-down.

2. In Bimmerforum's own kill area, I have read testimonials from E46 M3 owners who have raced stock STi's who have kept up with them up to 140+mph.

Here's one quote from those boards I found:



I HIGHLY doubt that the 350Z will keep up with an E46 M3 that close.


Like I said, there's only one way to prove it. Let's get those two out and see. I'm very positive that an sti won't beat a G35C if the driver knows what he's doing.

G35 are nice cars, but i still think STI's are better.

I just want to add: STIs loose about 40hp from crank to wheel due to their AWD system, I read that on importtuner

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awd drive from a roll sucks even a fwd car will have an advantage on the highway

I just want to add: STIs loose about 40hp from crank to wheel due to their AWD system, I read that on importtuner

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Are you sure that wasn't 40%?? not 40HP. Because my car ('90 mustang GT) is figured to lose approx. 20% HP from the crank to the wheels, not 20 HP. With that figured (20% loss) that means i have around 400-410HP at the crank. If i lost only 20HP then i'd have 390 at the wheels. And since the STI's are AWD 40% sounds more like it not 40HP. I'm not trying to start a flame war just offering my 2 cents. Also just to let you know the guy that told me to expect 20% loss from crank to wheels was the guy that dynoed and tuned my car. He's been doing it for a real long time, because of his expertise i gained 90HP at the wheels cause of his tuning ability. So he's a pretty darn good reference. www.arizonadynochip.com his name is Keith. Anyway i'm rambling now so heh go on.

+1 for the g35 :D

hmmm how else should i put it. my friends STi raced a vette on the highway and it vette barely and i mean barely inched on him. so how would a G35 even stand a chance? also you make it sound like the STi and the EVO have no high end. remember the G35 puts down around 230-240 whp. the exact same as a stock evo. and less then a stock 03 STi. the stock 03 STi puts down 250whp. so how is a 230-240whp car goin to beat a 250whp from a roll?

there are 2 possibilties, either they underated the EVO and the STi. or they overated the G35 coupe cause how would a 280hp RWD put down less power or the same power as a AWD 271hp? hmmmmmmm don't look at crank hp, just look at whp and those cars are geared for max acel from 0-100mph

also i already admited that we can't judge cars by butt dyno. however we know that road well, and we know what speeds we normally would reach by the end of the straight, and the Z was behind me and the EVO in the mph department

also i know a friend with a S2000. those cars runs the same as the Z, they also trap at 100mph. my friends S2000 raced my friends EVO from a roll and the EVO took it by 3 cars till 100mph and this was from a 20mph roll where he will hit v-tec instantly.

i guess the extra 30whp comes in handy huh?

look G35's honestly ain't shit. neither are 350Z's. my friends turbo teg takes them all the time on the highway. yet he could not pull on my friends EVO, and yes thats from a roll.

who knows maybe my friends got freak cars? but i'll tell you this, if i raced my other friend in the EVO ( the one who can't drive ) i'll freaking murder him. so its really up to the driver.

I hung with a G35 coupe tonight.

I was at 3/4 throttle at 130mph sitting next to him. I had plenty of gas to go. Had to slow down cause a highway patrol cruiser was up ahead.:evillol:

The G35c was brand new, had dealer plates still. Guy had a look of :eek7::wtf: cause this old car was keepin up with his brand new ride. :lol:

The STi's short gearing and AWD hurt it from a roll...I'm not surprised that a G35 coupe kept up.

Are you sure that wasn't 40%?? not 40HP.

well, if it would really loose 40%, that would be 120hp loss from crank to the wheels (assuming that a 2004 sti has 300 SAE-HP at the crank)!
that's just too much, you're buying a 300hp car and it's putting only 180hp to the wheels :)

edit: here's what I read: http://importtuner.com/tech/0408it_ppwrx/

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The STi's short gearing and AWD hurt it from a roll...I'm not surprised that a G35 coupe kept up.

That's why it has 6 gears. Ever felt an STi accelerate in 6th gear? It's an awesome thing.

omg and sti accelerating in 6th is a great feeling, its sounds and feel like a plane taking off, the g-force pushes and keeps you in the seat... its freaking amazing.. i want a evo or sti..
btw last night i was hanging with the evo8 and sti we were in both car.. the sti is way more responsive at low end compared to the evo8.. that extra torque really helps.. i wonder what a mr evos feels like tho... man...
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1. Calm-down.

2. In Bimmerforum's own kill area, I have read testimonials from E46 M3 owners who have raced stock STi's who have kept up with them up to 140+mph.

Yea but dont forget the SMG M3 is slower then the true 6 speed M3. However that is still damn impressive. Was the M3 a convertable? Im not trying to be a BMW nazi but how was a stock STI neck and neck from a roll with a E46 M3? Maybe they upped to the hp for 2005?

Anyways I think the STI is faster then the G35C and 350Z from a roll but it should be really close and not a blow out. It dosnt make sence though. I think its like TatII said, either the EVO and STI are underated or the G35 and 350Z are overated.

I have not raced an STI, but I drove one, very nice power delivery. I have raced a highly modded WRX as well as a 2004 E46 M3 and I would have to say that the M3 would take the STI from a roll. I have also raced an EVO with many mods, it should have beat me but the guy was a real shitty driver, almost to disgraceful. Do not have a good idea on how that one should run.

Fun part about everything is that they lost to a Grand Prix 4 door, LOL! That is why I love this car, daily driver and cranks pretty well, modded a bit!

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/501/245752GTP_TA_small_1.JPG

I truly hope that those people claiming the G35 Coupe or 350Z could hang with an STi or E46 M3 (from a roll or dig) are joking. I have beaten a 350Z by a car length to 90mph and a G35 Coupe by about 3 car lengths to about 115mph. All of this while I was bone stock. On the other hand, I could barely hang with a stock STi from a 40mph-110mph roll when I had stage 1. With stage 1 and a 3" exhaust I was about even when I played around with an E46 M3 convertible on the freeway. Now that I have stage 2 and my 3" exhaust I'm slightly quicker than an STi or E46 M3 coupe on the freeway.

Against a 350Z with at least some exhaust work on Saturday night...

http://srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89442

The 350Z and G35 Coupe are worlds away from the STi and E46 M3. They might be able to hold their own on the twisties, but they don't have nearly the same type of straight line accleration. They can't touch the low-end torque of the STi and they can't compete with the free revving straight 6 of the E46 M3. The 350Z and G35 Coupe are better suited for the WRX, R32, or Mustang GT.

Will someone give me some et's on the sti, G35, 350? I find alot of these stories hard to believe, I can't hardly get anyone of those cars to race me to gauge how fast they are. I will tell you this, I think some of you may be confusing the Z06 with a regular C5. The fastest et that I have seen for the Z06, stock, was 11.97, that is around the ballpark of what I was running with just the mods in my sig. I did play with a 350Z and a Z06 on the highway a while back and from 60 and up, the 350 is a turd(no offense) compared to a Z06. I have yet to race one off the line though.

I find alot of these stories hard to believe, I can't hardly get anyone of those cars to race me to gauge how fast they are.

I hear you. Some of these people sound like they're living Hollywood. I've actually owned the car for a year now so it wasn't like I had all those races over the course of one or two weekends. In 20k miles I've had about 10 races. I've easily turned down another 50. Something about that big basket handle and my blow-off valve seems to draw the ricers out of the woodwork. ;) Most of the runs I've had have been against people I knew just for shits and giggles. I like these forums but I wouldn't consider myself a street racer. I'm more of a fan.

The STi I raced belongs to a friend in Southern California. We've raced on two seperate occasions. Racing evenly matched cars is a helluva better way to gauge a baseline in my opinion than anything a dyno shop could hand you on a piece of paper. When I had stage 1 and he had his cat-back exhaust that's what we were...pretty even. Hopefully I'll get another chance to run him in December when I go down to San Diego. My mods are in my signature. His only power adders are Ecutek stage 1 @ 91 octane and a full 3" turbo-back exhaust.

I can't emphasize enough how much quicker an STi or new M3 is, either off the line or from a roll, than a 350Z or G35 Coupe. The STi has oodles of low end torque. It's amazing. That car hops up like there's a jet in its ass when you get to about 2,500-3,000 RPMs. I've never driven one of the newer M3's, but judging by how hard the (much heavier than a coupe) convertible version I played with on the freeway pulled, I'd wager that the E46 M3 is the quickest of the bunch from a roll. It's also very high revving and on the freeway that's an amazing asset. You'll need some serious bolt-ons or FI before a 350Z or G35 Coupe can hang with those big boys. It's a cult car IMHO. It may have the Z badge but it's a far cry from the TT 300ZX of yester-year. It handles well and looks good doing it but, in it's price range, there are far better cars for the money...Mach 1 Mustang, SVT Cobra Mustang, Evo 8, STi, R32 and maybe even the RX-8 to a degree. I don't believe Nissan is very serious about injecting REAL performance into the USDM. The 350Z and G35 Coupe may be quicker than 95% of the cars on the road, but they are both terrible platforms in terms of mod friendlyness. For all intents and purposes, they are maxed out from the factory. I dunno about spending $30k+ for a 14 second 2 door. I think most are buying the nameplate.

Thanks Steiner, very informative, and I agree with you about alot of that...I think it's safe to say that the Cobra would be your best bet, and I'm not a Mustang guy.

Well, I dont know to much about the STis and what not, but what I can speak for are the BMWs.

From my understanding, and visual expierience, a 350Z has problems holding with a 330ci or 330i with the sports package. So, if what you are syaing is true that a G35 is slower than a 350Z, than the G35 will have an even harder time working with a 330ci or 330i. An ///M3 (E46), would be a king of the bunch we're talking about. I believe I read somewhere that the BMW SMG is faster than Ferrari's. A good driver with the SMG can put a ///M3 into the mid to low 13s. Nice stuff.

From a roll, I dont think (just mho) an STi will be anywhere near an ///M3. And based on a test drive, I think the ///M3 may even beat the STi in the QM, becuase with the launch control, that thing slams you back you go from the dig.