is kerry serious?

i just saw a speach where kerry accused bush of not butting his faith in God into his work enough. kerry said this at a church, figures, say what people want to hear. what a hipocrite.

butting his faith in God
Yeah, what the hell does that mean? Kerry must've taken speach lessons from Bush. :)

Another example of Kerry just saying what he thinks people want to hear. Though I do give him credit for not putting everyone to sleep.

Kerry is just a Kennedy Wannabe. Something you don't hear about: During the Vietnam war, many soldiers turned down Purple Hearts just so they wouldn't have to leave their men. To hear Kerry's "Vote for me cause I'm a Hero" bit makes me sick. He wouldn't equal a pimple on a real soldier's ass.

Something you don't hear about: During the Vietnam war, many soldiers turned down Purple Hearts just so they wouldn't have to leave their men.

Names?

Dates?

Have you seen it?

Were you there?

Or is it just some scrambled hypothesis?

Did Bush turn down a Purple heart? Nope,he turned down Vietnam. And then he turned down a pilot's medical.And then he turned his back on the balance of his national service.Couldn't even complete a cruisy job.

Don't vote for Bush if you think Kerry isn't much of a soldier,because compared to Kerry,Bush is a spoiled little momma's boy.

But this argument isn't about Vietnam, it's about which party has the better clothes horse.SOMEBODY START A THREAD WITH SOME POLICY ARGUMENTS, FOR GOD'S SAKE!

At least Bush know what way he is going, rather than Kerry who just goes with whatever way the wind is blowing.

Nope,he turned down Vietnam.

When was an offer made? Or is this more babbling bullshit too.

Kerry is a liberal. Voted liberal his 20 years in the Senate. He's a self serving prima donna that will financially decimate the country.

When was an offer made? Or is this more babbling bullshit too.
.

Much as you'd love it to be untrue,Bush specifically checked a box on his enlistment papers marked "I do not volunteer to serve overseas'.

http://www.calpundit.com/blogphotos/Blog_Bush_No_Overseas.gif

Hardly surprising,since strings had already been pulled to get him into the Nation Guard Pilot training program ahead of hundreds of better-qualified applicants.

Bush bailed into a cushy job that he didn't earn rather than risk being drafted.When he got there[with a lot of help from daddy and Daddy's pals],he checked a box to make sure that he didn't end up in Vietnam.


http://www.hillnews.com/marshall/022604.aspx

As to your argument re Kerry's fiscal policy,Bush has financially decimated millions of American families.Unemployment is up ,manufacturing is down,imported manufactured goods are up,American corporates are scrambling to outsource as much labour to third-world countries as they can...

Bush has created a tax cut that mostly benefits the rich at the expense of the needy.He's cutting down apple trees and selling them for firewood.Sooner or later, he'll run out of apples.And firewood.

Right. Thats the exact same check box that Kerry checked as he went after his three deferments. Big whoop-de-do. Both men went for deferments. Both men went to the reserves. Kerry's unit got called into action. Bush's didn't Neither volunteered to go to Vietnam.

Bush has not decimated millions of families. The economy was heading south before he came to office. He turned it around. The companies outsourcing are doing so to stay cost competative. If they don't, they'll shut there doors. Pretty simple economics. Outsourcing has as many as half a million jobs. Thats a whole hell of a lot less then the clothing manufacturers lost over the seventies and eighties (tens of millions of jobs) and people who had those jobs took others and the economy grew. This is no different, its just a new sector of the economy going through the same paces. The same doom and gloom predictions are being said now as they were then. It was wrong before - its wrong now.

The tax cuts were for the rich. Pathetic. The tax cuts were for income earners. The more you paid, the more you got back. In fact, people got tax credits that payed them for the children they have (if they paid no tax, they recieved the money they could have claimed as a tax credit). Married couples avoided the marriage penalty. Social spending went up 5% across the board or more (sometimes over 20%) and this decimated the poor? How exactly is giving people back there own money and increasing spending on social programs hurting the poor?

I've explained many times how being rich has nothing to do with a tax cut. Kerry's wife has a billion dollar fortune that she pays ZERO tax on. Why? Its not income. Not a dime of it. Typical leftward thinking. Tax the people working and the harder they work, the more you tax them. Unless there is a wealth tax, its political dishonesty to claim its tax cuts 'for the rich'.

We can argue over the spending issues another time - there is way to much already and it needs to be cut. However, you claim that the tax cut benifited the rich at the expense of the needy. Another big swing and a miss.

He's a self serving prima donna that will financially decimate the country.
How?
The economy was heading south before he came to office. He turned it around.
Yeah, and Bush also found all of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. You're first sentence may very well be true - but your second sentence is rather fanciful thinking.
The companies outsourcing are doing so to stay cost competative. If they don't, they'll shut there doors.
They're not doing it to stay cost competitive - they're doing it to earn bigger profits - usually nothing of what they save producing the product overseas (or in Mexico) is passed on to consumers.

At least Bush know what way he is going, rather than Kerry who just goes with whatever way the wind is blowing.


Ok buddy, you keep thinkin that to yourself, and maybe it may come true. maybe if you wish apon a star. :loser:

SOMEBODY START A THREAD WITH SOME POLICY ARGUMENTS, FOR GOD'S SAKE!


man, you don't like the thread... don't post in it. plain and simple. i don't crack on your threads. so don't crack on mine please. you'll prolly ban me for saying this, but i personally believe you are quite unfair as a moderator. you talk about respecting people's views, but you never do. i see you close threads and ban people, for doing nothing else but expressing opinion. do the rules not apply to you b/c you've been around so long, and have so many posts?

do the rules not apply to you b/c you've been around so long, and have so many posts?
Asking for people to post something worthwhile isn't against any rules... :)
The moderators will not ban you for holding different political opinions from themselves (because we'd all ban eachother then).

Thank God for that because I think Taranaki hates me lol.

The moderators will not ban you for holding different political opinions from themselves (because we'd all ban eachother then).

is that right? I got banned for saying abortion is murder :rolleyes:

(we all know that isnt the real reason, but thats the reason he came up with to me)

Nopy, you got banned for exhibiting a total lack of respect for another member.Only a completely crass cretin would interrupt a members' request for advice on how to handle the issue with a friend by chiming in with such a comment.

you'll prolly ban me for saying this, but i personally believe you are quite unfair as a moderator. you talk about respecting people's views, but you never do. i see you close threads and ban people, for doing nothing else but expressing opinion.

The old arguments are the most tedious. :rolleyes:

I won't ban you,it's your right to make as many dumb statements and start as many shallow and pointless threads as you like.

feel free to link me to threads that Ihave closed without good reason,and list some of the banned members that you are whining about.It'll be a damn sight more enterytaining than another 'blah blah, I'll bash Kerry' thread.

...but he is quite correct.

is that right? I got banned for saying abortion is murder :rolleyes:

(we all know that isnt the real reason, but thats the reason he came up with to me)

Want some cheese?

This isn't OT 'home-girl'. Take the drama away. Your fans aren't in here.

The tax cuts were for the rich. Pathetic. The tax cuts were for income earners. The more you paid, the more you got back. In fact, people got tax credits that payed them for the children they have (if they paid no tax, they recieved the money they could have claimed as a tax credit). Married couples avoided the marriage penalty. Social spending went up 5% across the board or more (sometimes over 20%) and this decimated the poor? How exactly is giving people back there own money and increasing spending on social programs hurting the poor?

Well it is true the more you make, the more money you get back from tax cuts. But I think this should only apply to the middle or upper-middle class. Even the rich. But when the top 15% elite become 10% richer, there's a problem. That's just fuckin greed right there and bad tax cuts. I still haven't made up my mind yet on who I am going to vote for. My main gripes:

Bush: Make the super wealthy elite richer, when they pretty much have all the money they can have (we're talking in the billions amount)

Invading iraq and disregard for human life. You can say that "we freed Iraq, they are now a democracy and not a cruel dictatorship" but would you risk your son/best-friend/father/your own life to take Saddam out of power? If you can look in the eyes of your son, and risk him losing his life to make a regime change in Iraq, and say that it's worth it, then you have the right to say if the war was justified or not. Otherwise, you don't see the soldiers dieing and you don't know them, and most don't realize that it's someone else's father/friend/brother/cousin out there.

No plan post-Iraq war. Reason why we have so many troubles there is b/c bush administration did not have a well through up plan once we took over Iraq. He was in such a big rush to bomb everything, and declare the war over. Then he just put paul bremer in charge, he didn't do anything effective, and now an Iraq administration is in place. but, now Iraq is in shambles, they all hate the US.

Opens our borders totally free for immigration to come in. Lets all mexican immigrants become legal and work in the US. Meaning all illegal immigrants (from Mexico) now have an incentive to come to the US, without any consequences.

Kerry:

tells people only what they want to hear. Not honest

No stance on one policy, keeps contradicting himself and again, not honest.

Claims back in Vietnam that the war in Vietnam was wrong and called his fellow soldiers war criminals. Pretends to throw away purple hearts but secretly keeps it. Now running for president, knowing fighting in the war is great for getting votes, calls himself a "war hero." His past commandos won't say a thing about his service. He fills out form to get purple hearts which are very minor injuries, goes home. He didn't even get approval from his commander, he asked him for a purrple heart, commander laughs at him, and he found out he can just fill out a form instead.


man oh man who will I vote for come November...

I'm more of a democrat, and as much as I hate bush, for some reason I have a feeling that Kerry will either solve the problem or leave us in a really bad position and vulnerable. I'm leaning more towards he will leave us ina shithole. For some reason I have a feeling that when he becomes president, we will be more vulnerable then ever before

Bush: Make the super wealthy elite richer, when they pretty much have all the money they can have (we're talking in the billions amount)

Invading iraq and disregard for human life. You can say that "we freed Iraq, they are now a democracy and not a cruel dictatorship" but would you risk your son/best-friend/father/your own life to take Saddam out of power? If you can look in the eyes of your son, and risk him losing his life to make a regime change in Iraq, and say that it's worth it, then you have the right to say if the war was justified or not. Otherwise, you don't see the soldiers dieing and you don't know them, and most don't realize that it's someone else's father/friend/brother/cousin out there.

No plan post-Iraq war. Reason why we have so many troubles there is b/c bush administration did not have a well through up plan once we took over Iraq. He was in such a big rush to bomb everything, and declare the war over. Then he just put paul bremer in charge, he didn't do anything effective, and now an Iraq administration is in place. but, now Iraq is in shambles, they all hate the US.

Opens our borders totally free for immigration to come in. Lets all mexican immigrants become legal and work in the US. Meaning all illegal immigrants (from Mexico) now have an incentive to come to the US, without any consequences.





first of all, most of the rich worked for their money. Why tax and punish the business owners? They provide jobs for middle and low class americans. Last year Mr. and Mrs. Bush made about $600,000. Do you know how much Kerry and his wife made? About $6.5 million. What does that tell you?

second, people signed up for the military knowing full well that they could go to war.

third, I heard that Bush made those illegal immigrants US citizans because they came to America and worked here but didn't have to pay taxes, so by making them citizans, they had to start paying taxes.


And "carrrnuttt" That was totally unnessary.

first of all, most of the rich worked for their money. Why tax and punish the business owners? They provide jobs for middle and low class americans. Last year Mr. and Mrs. Bush made about $600,000. Do you know how much Kerry and his wife made? About $6.5 million. What does that tell you?

second, people signed up for the military knowing full well that they could go to war.

third, I heard that Bush made those illegal immigrants US citizans because they came to America and worked here but didn't have to pay taxes, so by making them citizans, they had to start paying taxes.


sure the rich did work for their money. But at the same time, do they really need to have that much more money and live that much better than the lower-middle class? Not everyone was born with connections and was born into blue blood. Do they really need that extra billion to drink crissy everyday when you have people starving and without medicare? better redistribution of wealth lets the lower class have a better chance at life, better educating themselves so that they can become a more productive member in society. A multi-millionaire will just use that money to buy a new yacht and brag about it.

and yes, people sign up knowing full well that they could go to war. But if they are going to risk their life, it better be for a good reason. A good reason being if America is in some kind of trouble, or making the world a better place. Making Iraq a democracy is not going to make a world a better place, it's like throwing a stranded starfish back into the ocean among thousands stranded on the land. There are so many other countries in cruel dictatorships that there is no point in just changing one country's way of government. African countries are far worse off than in Iraq. Example is Sierra Leone, they kidnap young kids (am I mean young, as young as 7-8) and make them fight in their guerilla to control the country. They have no government in many African countries, just military rule.

And true about immigrants becoming citizens so they can pay taxes. At the same time, if they weren't receiving taxes as illegal immigrants, what makes you think they are going to be taxed after being a citizen? Employers lose money if they send legit checks that are taxed to the employee also. I guess when they become homeowner they will pay taxes to benefit the gov't, but they still take jobs away from Americans. And bush didn't make em citizens so they can pay taxes, he made that deal with Vincente Fox because his wife is half Mexican.

first of all, most of the rich worked for their money. You know most of the rich personally?
And "carrrnuttt" That was totally unnessary.
Your comment about it being unecessary however, must have been entirely needed though... :)
African countries are far worse off than in Iraq. Example is Sierra Leone, they kidnap young kids (am I mean young, as young as 7-8) and make them fight in their guerilla to control the country. if you want to talk child soldiers in relation to cruel dictatorships, look no further than Burma. But if you want to talk about the worst of the worst, it has to be the Lord's Resistance Army (in Sudan) which forces children to torture and then murder their own parents and family members or be tortured themselves after watching other enslaved children kill their parents for them. There's plenty of countries that would make life in Iraq under Saddam's control seem like a cakewalk.

...but he is quite correct.

so says a liar and a loser.

Name calling becomes you. And YOU are wrong.

Nopy, you got banned for exhibiting a total lack of respect for another member.Only a completely crass cretin would interrupt a members' request for advice on how to handle the issue with a friend by chiming in with such a comment.
You exhibit a total lack of respect for other members all the time.

Your opinions on my moderating performance are not relevant to this forum.Please stay on topic.

POST REMOVED.

You have had ample warnings, including a temporary ban for breaching the user guidelines

If you cannot stay on the topic of the forum, you will be prevented from posting

sure the rich did work for their money. But at the same time, do they really need to have that much more money and live that much better than the lower-middle class? Not everyone was born with connections and was born into blue blood. Do they really need that extra billion to drink crissy everyday when you have people starving and without medicare?



So why would a doctor or a lawyer go throught at least 8 years of school if they knew they were just going to make as much as a plumber? Why would a business owner risk a lot trying to open a sucessful business if they knew all their profits were going to the lower class who just sit on their ass's all day watching jerry springer? Sure not everyone was born with connections, my dad's family (5 kids) didnt have that much money but he went to school and made something of himself. He and my mom now live on a golf course and both drive Infiniti's. My point is, this is America, "the land of opportunities"

better redistribution of wealth lets the lower class have a better chance at life, better educating themselves so that they can become a more productive member in society. A multi-millionaire will just use that money to buy a new yacht and brag about it.

America already has that. It is called WELFARE!!! There are a shit load of scholorships for blacks and hispanics to go to school and make something of themselves. But most of them dont take advantage of them. Do you really think someone who collected welfare and was on medicaid their whole life really wants to go out there and do something? I know some of them only stay on welfare for a year or so until things get better for them but a lot more of them who have been on it their whole life and see their parents and grandparents on it their whole lives, just think thats how it should be. They are brought up thinking that welfare is something that everyone gets. They would much rather complain that the rich white people are preventing them from having "the good life".

Go look at your next paycheck and see how much is taken out for Social Security......

Because you make more, you contribute more to society. Take what you need, and give the rest away. Thats how a fair and balanced america should work. Why tax the people who can barely afford to live and give the break to people who roll in money. Tax the tycoons who make ridiculous sums of money and distribute the wealth. And the Bush's have made far more off their OIL than most can comprehend. I think they may have made more than 600k in the past year.

Well it is true the more you make, the more money you get back from tax cuts. But I think this should only apply to the middle or upper-middle class. Even the rich. But when the top 15% elite become 10% richer, there's a problem. That's just fuckin greed right there and bad tax cuts. I still haven't made up my mind yet on who I am going to vote for. My main gripes:

Whats wrong with the people getting richer, even the already rich? You're falling into that trap that somehow the people making more are doing so at someone elses expense. There are the exeptions where conmen exist at all economic levels. However, most are hard working and dedicated. It doesn't matter if someone is a billionaire trust fund baby - it does nobody any good to be jealous or get excited about 'getting them'.

Economics is not a zero sum game. There is no fixed amount of money (wealth) in the world.


Bush: Make the super wealthy elite richer, when they pretty much have all the money they can have (we're talking in the billions amount)

Two things.

There is no wealth tax. Someone with a billion dollars will have the same billion dollars regardless of the tax rate. Are you suggesting that they can't make any more? Billionaires run businesses and invest because they enjoy it and to make money. If they can't have the money, they won't be investing now will they.

Secondly, its there money to begin with.

Invading iraq and disregard for human life. You can say that "we freed Iraq, they are now a democracy and not a cruel dictatorship" but would you risk your son/best-friend/father/your own life to take Saddam out of power? If you can look in the eyes of your son, and risk him losing his life to make a regime change in Iraq, and say that it's worth it, then you have the right to say if the war was justified or not. Otherwise, you don't see the soldiers dieing and you don't know them, and most don't realize that it's someone else's father/friend/brother/cousin out there.

Thats a mistatement of gigantic proportions. Its not a parent, friend or loved one that makes the decision to join the armed forces. Its a personal choice. Anybody whos under the impression that an army will not see action (regardless of how individuals feel about that action) is delusional. Astronauts die at a faster rate then members of our armed forces do in Iraq, would you ask the same question about that? Of course not. Only those who don't believe in the cause fall to the 'send your son or daughter' line of thinking.


No plan post-Iraq war. Reason why we have so many troubles there is b/c bush administration did not have a well through up plan once we took over Iraq.

There was and is a plan. Germany and Japan took decades to turn around - why is it that people expect Iraq to only take months?

He was in such a big rush to bomb everything, and declare the war over. Then he just put paul bremer in charge, he didn't do anything effective, and now an Iraq administration is in place. but, now Iraq is in shambles, they all hate the US.

The war was over. The armed forces were defeated. Not all Iraqis hate the US. What you're forgetting is that all the prime minister has to say is 'get out' and all the soldiers will leave. Do you see any Iraqi statesman running on that platform for the January elections? Any?

Opens our borders totally free for immigration to come in. Lets all mexican immigrants become legal and work in the US. Meaning all illegal immigrants (from Mexico) now have an incentive to come to the US, without any consequences.

Nobody opened the boarders totally free. The boarders are a mess and no politician is doing whats necessary to revamp immigration policy or secure our boarders. This is one area (of the few) that I think our president has failed us.


Kerry:

tells people only what they want to hear. Not honest

I think he honestly thinks thats what people want to hear. The sad part is that it hides the man he is. His twenty year senate record is as liberal as they come. You notice how he doesn't run on that record - he practically runs away from it.

No stance on one policy, keeps contradicting himself and again, not honest.

Directly tied to saying what he thinks people want to hear.

Claims back in Vietnam that the war in Vietnam was wrong and called his fellow soldiers war criminals. Pretends to throw away purple hearts but secretly keeps it. Now running for president, knowing fighting in the war is great for getting votes, calls himself a "war hero." His past commandos won't say a thing about his service. He fills out form to get purple hearts which are very minor injuries, goes home. He didn't even get approval from his commander, he asked him for a purrple heart, commander laughs at him, and he found out he can just fill out a form instead.




man oh man who will I vote for come November...

I'm more of a democrat, and as much as I hate bush, for some reason I have a feeling that Kerry will either solve the problem or leave us in a really bad position and vulnerable. I'm leaning more towards he will leave us ina shithole. For some reason I have a feeling that when he becomes president, we will be more vulnerable then ever before

Your vote and you should vote for whomever you think will do the best job. Be that Kerry, Bush, Nader, Badnarik or any of the others.

I know I'll be voting for Bush. I prefer tax cuts to tax increases. As bad as his spending has been (as well as congress) its not as high as Kerry is proposing. Kerry once suppored a 50 cent a gallon tax increase on gas. It doesn't take much imagination to see what that could do to the economy. I also believe the UN must fold. The fastest way to get it to fold would be to elect Kerry. He would support the measures the UN would pass. The US courts and congress would reject the measures and leave the UN shown, once again, as the inefective beauracracy that it is.

The war was over. The armed forces were defeated. Not all Iraqis hate the US. What you're forgetting is that all the prime minister has to say is 'get out' and all the soldiers will leave. Do you see any Iraqi statesman running on that platform for the January elections?



I put this question to you Yogs. Do you seriously believe that any candidate wishing to campaign on that platform would be allowed his name on the ballot?

I put this question to you Yogs. Do you seriously believe that any candidate wishing to campaign on that platform would be allowed his name on the ballot?

Just watch. Sadr will end up there.

Whats wrong with the people getting richer, even the already rich? You're falling into that trap that somehow the people making more are doing so at someone elses expense. There are the exeptions where conmen exist at all economic levels. However, most are hard working and dedicated. It doesn't matter if someone is a billionaire trust fund baby - it does nobody any good to be jealous or get excited about 'getting them'.

Economics is not a zero sum game. There is no fixed amount of money (wealth) in the world.


It's fine that people can get richer by their investments and working hard. But they already have all the money they need and much more, we're talking about the elite here. They can do without that extra millions when they have hundreds of millions of dollars, it's no fair that people in poverty who work really hard also with two jobs can't afford basic necessities in life.


Two things.

There is no wealth tax. Someone with a billion dollars will have the same billion dollars regardless of the tax rate. Are you suggesting that they can't make any more? Billionaires run businesses and invest because they enjoy it and to make money. If they can't have the money, they won't be investing now will they.

Secondly, its there money to begin with.


Yes investment is important, but bush puts tax cuts against the wealthiest elite. If they wanted to invest their money or expand their businesses, they can do that easily without bush's tax cuts. They already have the capital to do so.


Thats a mistatement of gigantic proportions. Its not a parent, friend or loved one that makes the decision to join the armed forces. Its a personal choice. Anybody whos under the impression that an army will not see action (regardless of how individuals feel about that action) is delusional. Astronauts die at a faster rate then members of our armed forces do in Iraq, would you ask the same question about that? Of course not. Only those who don't believe in the cause fall to the 'send your son or daughter' line of thinking.


that is true, but the soldiers themselves don't have a choice whether they go to Iraq or not. The US will just send them their, because a group of men (our government decides that the thousands of civilians and soldiers that will die is worth having a regime change in Iraq. I forgot who said this, a great man once said "Every war is a poor man's war." Which means that while the army is made up of younger middle-low class citizens, it's the rich and elite that decide if they fight in war and die. Thus, it's the poor that fight and lose their lives, and the elite and rich that reep all the benefits.


Your vote and you should vote for whomever you think will do the best job. Be that Kerry, Bush, Nader, Badnarik or any of the others.

I know I'll be voting for Bush. I prefer tax cuts to tax increases. As bad as his spending has been (as well as congress) its not as high as Kerry is proposing. Kerry once suppored a 50 cent a gallon tax increase on gas. It doesn't take much imagination to see what that could do to the economy. I also believe the UN must fold. The fastest way to get it to fold would be to elect Kerry. He would support the measures the UN would pass. The US courts and congress would reject the measures and leave the UN shown, once again, as the inefective beauracracy that it is.

After watching the debate last night, I've finally made my decision. Going to vote for Kerry now. He made up some good points and I think now he will make a solid leader for our country.

So why would a doctor or a lawyer go throught at least 8 years of school if they knew they were just going to make as much as a plumber? Why would a business owner risk a lot trying to open a sucessful business if they knew all their profits were going to the lower class who just sit on their ass's all day watching jerry springer? Sure not everyone was born with connections, my dad's family (5 kids) didnt have that much money but he went to school and made something of himself. He and my mom now live on a golf course and both drive Infiniti's. My point is, this is America, "the land of opportunities"

I'm not saying tax them so everyone makes equal amount of money. I meant tax them to a higher percentage so they still have a buttload of money, but after being successful they have to give to society a little more for treating them so well. Land of opportunities should not mean land of the greed.



America already has that. It is called WELFARE!!! There are a shit load of scholorships for blacks and hispanics to go to school and make something of themselves. But most of them dont take advantage of them. Do you really think someone who collected welfare and was on medicaid their whole life really wants to go out there and do something? I know some of them only stay on welfare for a year or so until things get better for them but a lot more of them who have been on it their whole life and see their parents and grandparents on it their whole lives, just think thats how it should be. They are brought up thinking that welfare is something that everyone gets. They would much rather complain that the rich white people are preventing them from having "the good life".

Go look at your next paycheck and see how much is taken out for Social Security......

True most blacks and hispanics do not take advantage of our education, but that's because of bad parenting. And Newt Gingrich already passed legislation so people can't stay on welfare forever, they get it for 18 months I believe (can't remember) and then they have to get out and get a job or else their welfare will be cut. The poor also don't get medicare, only if they can pay for it. My friend's mom died of pneumonia because she didn't any money to go to the hospital and get treated. Also not all poor people are lazy collecting welfare, some are single mothers working two jobs trying to support her kids. The reason why kids don't value education is because sometimes they have no parents at home to steer them in the right direction, their mom/dad is always working trying to pay rent and feed their kids. In economics as they say, the less you make, the more you work. People in the ghetto who make minimum wage have to work as much as 80 hours to make ends meet.

And yes you may say that maybe the single mom shouldn't have had kids in the first place. Well everything is relative, in that community single moms are common, and they probably just didn't see that shit coming in the first place.

Perhaps you haven't heard. Life isn't fair.

life isn't fair but by choosing the right president, as least we can make it more fair.

2 3000gt vr4 owner! :lol: you greedy elite!

And Newt Gingrich already passed legislation so people can't stay on welfare forever, they get it for 18 months I believe (can't remember) and then they have to get out and get a job or else their welfare will be cut. The poor also don't get medicare, only if they can pay for it.


BULLSHIT!!

People come into my work on welfare and medicaid (which is entirely differnt than medicare) and I can look through their past records and see that they've been on it for over 10 years. Some people think that medicaid (including Kerry) is a form of insurance.


Last night Bush made a very good point saying that government insurance means poor insurance. I know our doctors treat people on medicaid differently than paying customers. And the glasses that we give people on medicaid? Well, we pay $2.00 for the frame.

maybe they are on disability?

nope

dayna240sx,

Show me where Kerry said, "I would have not gone to Iraq, But if we win the war I would have."

Also Bush cannot wirte.

I cannot believe the utter crap you guys post on here as being true.

Most of you are uninformed lemmings!

not worth my time sorry

dayna240sx,

Show me where Kerry said, "I would have not gone to Iraq, But if we win the war I would have."

Also Bush cannot wirte.

I cannot believe the utter crap you guys post on here as being true.

Most of you are uninformed lemmings!


Dam Skyline where you been man?!?!?! We thought you died!

dayna240sx,

Show me where Kerry said, "I would have not gone to Iraq, But if we win the war I would have."

Also Bush cannot wirte.

I cannot believe the utter crap you guys post on here as being true.

Most of you are uninformed lemmings!


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I bet you get my point!

dayna240sx,

Show me where Kerry said, "I would have not gone to Iraq, But if we win the war I would have."

Also Bush cannot wirte.

I cannot believe the utter crap you guys post on here as being true.

Most of you are uninformed lemmings!
Umm MBA from Harvard. They must be really lowering their standards.

lol, you cannot "wirte" either I wouldn't be making fun of bush. Everyone knows the only reason why Bush got into harvard and got a degree is b/c of his dad and his power

lol, you cannot "wirte" either I wouldn't be making fun of bush. Everyone knows the only reason why Bush got into harvard and got a degree is b/c of his dad and his power


Do you have any proof of this or are you just repeating what someone told you?

lol, you cannot "wirte" either I wouldn't be making fun of bush. Everyone knows the only reason why Bush got into harvard and got a degree is b/c of his dad and his power
News to me. Why don't you dig up some evidence that this happened.

if there was evidence then obviously bush wouldn't be president. A well educated man from harvard wouldn't be as dumb as bush is. He's not very sharp, everyone can see that

Obviously everyone cannot see that. If he is as stupid as you think he is, why did he get voted into office?

So could you tell me exactly how he is stupid? Because I do not consider pronouncing words differently, and having an accent "stupid"

If he is as stupid as you think he is, why did he get voted into office?
"The masses are asses" - unknown.
Actually it's probably because an idiot who has no idea what's going on, but talked funny was far more entertaining to watch and listen to than that robot Al Gore. :)
Or you can believe that Jeb Bush rigged the vote, but I'll believe that the public at large is stupid, and that Al Gore was boring, before I'll buy into conspiracy theories.

So could you tell me exactly how he is stupid?Here's the list from this year so far. Incomplete, I'm sure. If you wish, I can give you three more years worth.

"I heard there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —George W. Bush, second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

"The truth of that matter is, if you listen carefully, Saddam would still be in power if he were the president of the United States, and the world would be a lot better off." —George W. Bush, second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

"When a drug comes in from Canada, I wanna make sure it cures ya, not kill ya... I've got an obligation to make sure our government does everything we can to protect you. And one — my worry is that it looks like it's from Canada, and it might be from a third world." —George W. Bush, presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

"We all thought there was weapons there, Robin. My opponent thought there was weapons there." —George W. Bush, second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

"Let me see where to start here. First, the National Journal named Senator Kennedy the most liberal senator of all." —George W. Bush, referring to Sen. Kerry, second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

"The enemy understands a free Iraq will be a major defeat in their ideology of hatred. That's why they're fighting so vociferously." —George W. Bush, presidential debate, Coral Gables, Fla., Sept. 30, 2004

"You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can, knowing full well that the decision I made caused her loved one to be in harm's way." —George W. Bush, presidential debate, Coral Gables, Fla., Sept. 30, 2004

"I saw a poll that said the right track/wrong track in Iraq was better than here in America. It's pretty darn strong. I mean, the people see a better future." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004

"I'm not the expert on how the Iraqi people think, because I live in America, where it's nice and safe and secure." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004

"It's the Afghan national army that went into Najaf and did the work there." —George W. Bush, referring to Iraqi troops during a joint press conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004

"The CIA laid out several scenarios and said life could be lousy, life could be OK, life could be better, and they were just guessing as to what the conditions might be like." —George W. Bush, New York City, Sept. 21, 2004

"Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will be allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill at the whim of a hat." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 17, 2004

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —George W. Bush, Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 (Watch video clip)

"We will make sure our troops have all that is necessary to complete their missions. That's why I went to the Congress last September and proposed fundamental — supplemental funding, which is money for armor and body parts and ammunition and fuel." —George W. Bush, Erie, Pa., Sept. 4, 2004

"Had we to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day." —George W. Bush, telling Time magazine that he underestimated the Iraqi resistance

"They've seen me make decisions, they've seen me under trying times, they've seen me weep, they've seen me laugh, they've seen me hug. And they know who I am, and I believe they're comfortable with the fact that they know I'm not going to shift principles or shift positions based upon polls and focus groups." —George W. Bush, interview with USA Today, Aug. 27, 2004

"I hope you leave here and walk out and say, 'What did he say?'" —George W. Bush, Beaverton, Oregon, Aug. 13, 2004

"So community colleges are accessible, they're available, they're affordable, and their curriculums don't get stuck. In other words, if there's a need for a certain kind of worker, I presume your curriculums evolved over time." —George W. Bush, Niceville, Fla., Aug. 10, 2004

"Let me put it to you bluntly. In a changing world, we want more people to have control over your own life." —George W. Bush, Annandale, Va, Aug. 9, 2004

"As you know, we don't have relationships with Iran. I mean, that's — ever since the late '70s, we have no contacts with them, and we've totally sanctioned them. In other words, there's no sanctions — you can't — we're out of sanctions." —George W. Bush, Annandale, Va, Aug. 9, 2004

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

"Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a — you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

"I cut the taxes on everybody. I didn't cut them. The Congress cut them. I asked them to cut them." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

"I wish I wasn't the war president. Who in the heck wants to be a war president? I don't." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

"We stand for things." —George W. Bush, Davenport, Iowa, Aug. 5, 2004

"Give me a chance to be your president and America will be safer and stronger and better." —Still-President George W. Bush, Marquette, Michigan, July 13, 2004

"I mean, if you've ever been a governor of a state, you understand the vast potential of broadband technology, you understand how hard it is to make sure that physics, for example, is taught in every classroom in the state. It's difficult to do. It's, like, cost-prohibitive." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 24, 2004

"And I am an optimistic person. I guess if you want to try to find something to be pessimistic about, you can find it, no matter how hard you look, you know?" —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 15, 2004

"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today. You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here, right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004

"I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 25, 2004

"Like you, I have been disgraced about what I've seen on TV that took place in prison." —George W. Bush, Parkersburg, West Virginia, May 13, 2004

"My job is to, like, think beyond the immediate." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 21, 2004

"This has been tough weeks in that country." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 13, 2004

"Coalition forces have encountered serious violence in some areas of Iraq. Our military commanders report that this violence is being insticated by three groups." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 13, 2004

"Obviously, I pray every day there's less casualty." —George W. Bush, Fort Hood, Texas, April 11, 2004

"Earlier today, the Libyan government released Fathi Jahmi. She's a local government official who was imprisoned in 2002 for advocating free speech and democracy." —George W. Bush, citing Jahmi, who is a man, in a speech paying tribute to women reformers during International Women's Week, Washington, D.C., March 12, 2004

"The march to war hurt the economy. Laura reminded me a while ago that remember what was on the TV screens — she calls me, 'George W.' — 'George W.' I call her, 'First Lady.' No, anyway — she said, we said, march to war on our TV screen." —George W. Bush, Bay Shore, New York, Mar. 11, 2004

"God loves you, and I love you. And you can count on both of us as a powerful message that people who wonder about their future can hear." —George W. Bush, Los Angeles, Calif., March 3, 2004

"Recession means that people's incomes, at the employer level, are going down, basically, relative to costs, people are getting laid off." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 19, 2004

"The march to war affected the people's confidence. It's hard to make investment. See, if you're a small business owner or a large business owner and you're thinking about investing, you've got to be optimistic when you invest. Except when you're marching to war, it's not a very optimistic thought, is it? In other words, it's the opposite of optimistic when you're thinking you're going to war." —George W. Bush, Springfield, Mo., Feb. 9, 2004

"But the true strength of America is found in the hearts and souls of people like Travis, people who are willing to love their neighbor, just like they would like to love themselves." —George W. Bush, Springfield, Mo., Feb. 9, 2004

"In my judgment, when the United States says there will be serious consequences, and if there isn't serious consequences, it creates adverse consequences." —George W. Bush, Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004

"There is no such thing necessarily in a dictatorial regime of iron-clad absolutely solid evidence. The evidence I had was the best possible evidence that he had a weapon." —George W. Bush, Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004

"The recession started upon my arrival. It could have been — some say February, some say March, some speculate maybe earlier it started — but nevertheless, it happened as we showed up here. The attacks on our country affected our economy. Corporate scandals affected the confidence of people and therefore affected the economy. My decision on Iraq, this kind of march to war, affected the economy." —George W. Bush, Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004

"My views are one that speaks to freedom." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004

"See, one of the interesting things in the Oval Office — I love to bring people into the Oval Office — right around the corner from here — and say, this is where I office, but I want you to know the office is always bigger than the person." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004

"More Muslims have died at the hands of killers than — I say more Muslims — a lot of Muslims have died — I don't know the exact count — at Istanbul. Look at these different places around the world where there's been tremendous death and destruction because killers kill." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004

"Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the illiteracy level of our children are appalling." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

"Just remember it's the birds that's supposed to suffer, not the hunter." —George W. Bush, advising quail hunter and New Mexico Sen. Pete Domenici, Roswell, N.M., Jan. 22, 2004

"I want to thank the astronauts who are with us, the courageous spacial entrepreneurs who set such a wonderful example for the young of our country." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. Jan. 14, 2004

"I was a prisoner too, but for bad reasons." —George W. Bush, to Argentine President Nestor Kirchner, on being told that all but one of the Argentine delegates to a summit meeting were imprisoned during the military dictatorship, Monterrey, Mexico, Jan. 13, 2004

"One of the most meaningful things that's happened to me since I've been the governor — the president — governor — president. Oops. Ex-governor. I went to Bethesda Naval Hospital to give a fellow a Purple Heart, and at the same moment I watched him—get a Purple Heart for action in Iraq — and at that same — right after I gave him the Purple Heart, he was sworn in as a citizen of the United States — a Mexican citizen, now a United States citizen." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 9, 2004

"And if you're interested in the quality of education and you're paying attention to what you hear at Laclede, why don't you volunteer? Why don't you mentor a child how to read?" —George W. Bush, St. Louis, Mo., Jan. 5, 2004

"So thank you for reminding me about the importance of being a good mom and a great volunteer as well." —George W. Bush, St. Louis, Mos., Jan. 5, 2004

Ok we've all said Bush has a problem with speaking. Quite frankly he sucks at it. What does that have with being dumb though?

EDIT: I mean mispeaking, not just bad pronunciation

not worth my time sorry

If you are going to post crap like that, back it up!

I find that most people that support him, would not want to go to Iraq to fight a war that is lining the pockets of his friends! If they do, they are even bigger fools :screwy:

By the way carrnuttt, good one!

Ok we've all said Bush has a problem with speaking. Quite frankly he sucks at it. What does that have with being dumb though?

EDIT: I mean mispeaking, not just bad pronunciation


exactly.

I dont know why we are all trying to debate about it. I dont think anyone is going to say anything to change any of our minds on who to vote for.

we're all just going to have to wait 2.5 weeks and see what happens

If you are going to post crap like that, back it up!

I find that most people that support him, would not want to go to Iraq to fight a war that is lining the pockets of his friends! If they do, they are even bigger fools :screwy:




I see you took your original insult down.

I was talking to someone online and he said that, I thought it was funny, so I put it in my sig. I dont feel like looking it up because it isnt worth my time. All it will do is give Kerry supporters something else to try and prove me wrong.


But now, I took it out of my sig because people were bitching about it.

Go away Dayna. Just because at some point, some sex-starved AF'ers got impressed with your tits in COT, and gave you an attitude/ego the size of the Grand Canyon, doesn't mean you can waltz in here, and make punitive statements without backing them up.

Again, this isn't COT.

Go away Dayna. Just because at some point, some sex-starved AF'ers got impressed with your tits in COT, and gave you an attitude/ego the size of the Grand Canyon, doesn't mean you can waltz in here, and make punitive statements without backing them up.

Again, this isn't COT.


you obviously have no clue do you? Why dont you go digging around for something to ban me for if you want me gone so bad. It seems like you are the one with the big ego to me. ooo your a moderator on a website. What do you do in real life?

I was talking to someone online and he said that, I thought it was funny, so I put it in my sig. I dont feel like looking it up because it isnt worth my time. All it will do is give Kerry supporters something else to try and prove me wrong.




Prove you wrong, prove you're right!

Have you watched Fahrenheit 9/11? I bet most of the Busche supporters will say its a bunch of lies, which is not the case.

you obviously have no clue do you? Why dont you go digging around for something to ban me for if you want me gone so bad. It seems like you are the one with the big ego to me. ooo your a moderator on a website. What do you do in real life?
LOL

Back to the "because you're mod, you must think you're all that" tack, aren't we? Is that all you have? Can you be original for once?

Check this. Even if I weren't a mod, I'd feel the same way about you. I just happen to be lucky (unlucky) enough to be privy to all your fucking drama.

If you feel so threatened by the mods of a site you voluntarily joined, why not leave? Afraid to lose all your drooling "fans"?

YOU are one of the primary reasons I barely visit COT anymore. You, and the rest of the assholes who have holed-up in there, acting like you own the place.

But you know what? I didn't bitch, I just stayed-away. You, on the other hand, bragging that you've been "banned 4 times", are not good with hints.

Sheesh. All this because I'm a mod. LMAO

P.S.
You can go back to your "kingdom", and talk about me all you want. Just don't expect to mosey in here bringing your crap (the very first thing you mentioned in this thread). I'm setting the ground-rules now. Talk politics all you want. Bring in that idiotic, COT drama of yours in here, and that "I have tits, I can act any way I want, I don't care if you're a mod" air of yours, and you will have me yanking your ego down. Get it?