Cassie v. 1.8 (#4)

I can now proudly claim that I am the fastest man alive...just kidding. I'll settle for second fastest.

I just finished watching the Turbo Dreams 3 video when I got that urge. You know what I mean, teh desire to just go somewhere and drive really fast. Well, seeing as I had finished all my work, I decided to take Cassie out for a ride. I head one way down the highway, nothing. I pull a u turn, and right in front of me is my chance, a blue VW 1.8t Passat. I've raced that motor three times before, once on another 1.8t Passat (from a roll), and twice against the respective Audi A4 platform (once from a dig, once from a roll). All three I can claim as victories, the A4 roll ending with his front bumper at my door, the dig with his front bumper at my rear bumper, and the 1.8t a full car length (a car length being the length of a car between my rear bumper and the other driver's front). This was trial number four.

I pull up next to him and look over, and he looks back at me. I sorta 'toss' my head down the highway (its a light that leads onto a two lane highway), and he laughs and nods. He revs it once, and I just nod.

Light goes green, and I punch it. I get a good jump, I've been lucky with my triptronic launches, and get a decent pull by about a half bumper (his bumper at my door), and another jump through second. By third, I'm up around 80, and a full length up, when we both jump into fourth. He gets a jump in fourth, and starts to pull hard. He pulls a bumper on me, and I keep pushing. I get up into the hundred range, and start pulling agian. By 115, were dead even. I keep pulling, and by 120, I'm starting to pull up. We're both pushing hard, and by now I'm starting to pull up a bit. By 125, his bumper is at my rear, and we're holding. Im around 128, and there is about a foot between our cars.

Now here's the best part. By now, neither of us are moving at all. I mean, I'm not dropping, and hes not gaining. But he wont back off. I keep holding, and by the time I check, from the first time I hit 128 to the point where I he finally backed off, it had been four minutes. Four minutes at 128mph. Insane.

Well, he backs off finaly, gives me a thumbs up, and I just make my exit after returning the thumbs up. Final score: BMW-4, Audi/VW-0. Go me.

Cliff notes: None. Read, its good for you, damnit.

Thats one long straight highway.. you went nearly 9 miles just doin 128... I wonder how many thousand miles of engine life that took off your motors.

Four minutes is an incredibly long time to race in a straight line......You sure?? I mean, 40 seconds can seem like four minutes when your adrenaline is pumping.

Musta been quite an adrenaline rush...can't even imagine. Think if a piggy lit you up...man you would be wrecked hah.

Good kills though :biggrin:

4 minutes at 128 in any street car is fucking stupid on public roads. So is one minute.

Empty highway at midnight, not really street roads anywhere at all. If I could get a picuture of what the road was like, I think you'd understand. I'm pretty sure it was four minutes, we started at 12:15, and I pulled off at 12:22.

i would be too scared to do something like that. why only 128? i would never top out my car, it would be higher than that. is that your top end?

Fuel line cuts out at 130, and that only happens if you get it up to 128(electronicly goverened), then pull off and stomp in it hard. So yeah, 128 is the top end.

PLEASE don't get an M3 or S4, you'll ruin those beautiful cars!

Fuel line cuts out at 130.

Do you mean the fun line cuts out at 130. As stupid as doing 130 for any period on a public road is they still do suck. It makes you look like an idiot if your whoopin someone's ass then they pass you after a 10 car deficit because of the governor.

130 is pretty cool, but 4 minutes? Sketchy, reeeeeal sketchy.

128 for 4 minutes isn’t really that big of a deal for a BMW. I mean there made to go fast for long periods of time. Also if he wasn’t governed im sure he could hit at least 150mph. So his motor wasn’t really maxing out. You probably do more damage to your motor in stop and go traffic then he just did because your engine cant reach its operating temperature.

On a straight road, its doable. Like D12 said, they are made to go fast for a while. I can check, but I think the speedo cuts out at 150, and thats aerodynamic limitations. Unclebens, I feel ya there. Of course, if your going that fast and still havent won, I dont think your gonna, lol.

PLEASE don't get an M3 or S4, you'll ruin those beautiful cars!

How? I'm a good drive, I jst like to race, and considering thats what those cars were made for...And I'm not sutpid, I know my limitations. Ive personally driven a car faster than 128, it was just top for the Bimmer.

I really don't care if you go 130 on an empty road, but the limiter is there for a reason.

It's a BMW so it's not bad to go up to 130 for a few seconds, but staying just shy of the fuel cutoff limiter for 5 minutes isn't good.

What were the rpms? I know the 330Ci's (bigger engine) are close to 3000 rpms when going about 80, so yours must have been somewhere in the 5-6K range, or even higher. Just don't expect the dealership to pay for any engine repairs if it happens to blow soon. I have a buddy with a 330ci who was driving in low 100s when his engine blew and the dealership wouldn't cover the costs because the ECU told them everything they needed to know, even though he wasn't close to redline.

Just because it's a BMW doesn't mean it can take all kinds of abuse. Next time, once you get up to those speeds, slow back down, unless you really wanna blow your engine to get an M3.

What gear is your buddys 330ic in when hes going that fast? If Im in fourth, doing 80 Im at 2000 even. I was probably at or around 5k, which isn't that bad, considering that when I race it, I usually dont shift till about 6500 rpm, it redlines at 7000.

And your buddy ought to go talk to the dealership again. My neighbor blew the engine on his 530i driving the same way I do, and they replaced no problem becasue it was under warrenty. If your buddy had modified the engine of his 330ic with non Dinan parts, and they casued it to blow, thats another story.

First off, it's his car, he can do what he wants with it
Secondly, this is a STREET RACING forum, why so much criticism for racing on a highway...nobody is forcing anyone to be in here, so if you are going to post, why not keep it semi-positive and not refer to his level of intelligence. Yes racing at those speeds isn't the safest thing to do, so is eating old sushi...who cares. This is a forum here to post street racing stories, so let him.

I really don't care if you go 130 on an empty road, but the limiter is there for a reason.

It's a BMW so it's not bad to go up to 130 for a few seconds, but staying just shy of the fuel cutoff limiter for 5 minutes isn't good.


Also, in reference to this, some manufacturers put limiters on to limit the top speeds of the cars because they are cheap and don't want to equip the car with the more expensive and higher speed rated tires. This is their way of cutting corners and staying within government regulations. I'm not saying this is the specific case on his car(I really don't know) I'm just saying there are more than 1 possible explanations for the limiter.

What gear is your buddys 330ic in when hes going that fast? If Im in fourth, doing 80 Im at 2000 even. I was probably at or around 5k, which isn't that bad, considering that when I race it, I usually dont shift till about 6500 rpm, it redlines at 7000.

And your buddy ought to go talk to the dealership again. My neighbor blew the engine on his 530i driving the same way I do, and they replaced no problem becasue it was under warrenty. If your buddy had modified the engine of his 330ic with non Dinan parts, and they casued it to blow, thats another story.

Dude,lol, either you're lying, or you have some type of freaky engine in there - or maybe a different differential ratio. My buddy is in 5th when around 3000 rpms, and he's got a better (bigger) engine than you do. "80 in 4th @ 2000 rpms" LMFAO

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=156912&page=1&pp=20

BTW, here's what Car & Driver has to say about that, when comparing it to another engine:

The SOHC all-aluminum VTEC V-6 produces 260 horsepower through a broad torque range and offers the bonus of a lusty exhaust grumble under hard acceleration. It is hooked to an all-new, cable-operated six-speed gearbox that permits 80-mph cruising speeds with the tach loitering at 2750 rpm in top gear. But one puzzles: Is the extra cog really needed, or is it more technological gadgetry like four-wheel steering? Although the six-speed is a pleasure, the five-speed onboard the BMW is every bit as effective in seeking maximum performance and only boosts the revs at 80 mph to a modest 3200.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=2267&page_number=2

What where you trying to prove with those links? Not trying to be an ass just dont feel like reading all that. RPMs dont control your speed its all about the gearing. You cant just say 3000rpms = 80mph or because your going this fast your engine must be going at this many RPMs.

Anyways a BMW should NOT blow its engine from just going a 100mph or 130mph for 5min. And Im not just talking out my ass. My friend used to live in Italy (in fact he is there right now visiting family) and his father has told us stories about doing triple digits in his sisters 80something 325i for sometimes as much as an hour! He has done this to MANY cars over there. Why? cause that’s how people drive over there he says. BMW is made for places like the autobahn where people do what we might consider extreme speeds for long periods of time. 5 minutes at 130mph... no bigge :disappoin

Obviously you didn't read my post but that's ok, I'll make it simple for you. There's no way he's going 80 @ 2000 rpms in 4th unless he changed his gearing - which he never said he did - which means he must have been in high rpms for 5 minutes. Get it? Good!

Ask any BMW owner, how many of them would wanna put their BMWs between 5500 and 7000 rpms for 5 minutes at those speeds? Or better yet, when you get one, I wanna see you do that without regretting it, especially with the smallest engine they have now.

So you're telling me that if someone just gave you a brand new broken in 2.5l bmw, you'd willingly go on the highway and race someone at those speeds and rpms for that long, and you wouldn't worry about the car one bit?

Like someone stated before "I wonder how many thousands of miles he took of his motor"

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Cassie has been a respectable member for awhile so I tend to believe him. This story isnt unrealistic in anyway, remember just because somehting happened when car and driver straped up thier belts, doesnt mean it is the ONLY thing that can happen. Nice Kill.

Old Sushi is disgusting.



And Why do you honestly care? It's his car, I doubt it's really that hard of a feat to accomplish in a BMW, maybe his timing is off? there are various factors that can change what you rev at, and he could have been going down hill :P

anyhow....

Ask any BMW owner, how many of them would wanna put their BMWs between 5500 and 7000 rpms for 5 minutes at those speeds? Or better yet, when you get one, I wanna see you do that without regretting it, especially with the smallest engine they have now.


I know about 9 that I Autocross with regularly who race the shit outa there Bimmers. One of them was one of those bastards who was lucky (read: rich) enough to go to the ring with his 323ic. He said he never dropped bellow 5000 rpm the entire time. And those are near ten minute laps. Ten minutes at over 5000 rpm? And its a daily driver.

Also, your wrong. the 2.5L I6 in the 325 is the current smallest motor in a US import. In Europe, the 1 serries has a much smaller 4 banger. Speaking of, acording to Roundel, they'll be importing them soon...

Also, comming up to school. 80mph, fourth gear, cruise control, tach read 2000rpm, and that nifty little mpg meter read just over 35mpg. Now then, giving that it is an auto (with Steptronic), and on my last auto the tach was usually off a touch, I'll say that in fourth, I'm anywhere between 2000 and 2500 rpm

And HigRev87, I didn't know I was respected...thanks. And Im not being a sarcastic asshole, really, thanks.

And I'm out.

Oh, I didn't believe his story and I couldn't care less what he does with HIS car.

All I said was that I don't believe that it idles at 2000 rpms at 80 in 4th and that doing what he did can't be good for the car.

TypeS

Again bmws are made to be driven fast wy?

- first there's the fact that it is a german made car (hope you don't question this statement in case you think i ly too! ) and maybe you know this but in german the highways are ways were there is no speedlimit, you can race there as fast as you want. So its logic that they made a car that is capable of going fast for a very long time (no ten minutes, but i would say even half an hour isn't bad.

- second , uhmmm, o yeh: the speed limiter is there i believe (could be wrong, blame my dad, lol) because the car may not go too fast for safety reasons ( no motor safety though) but safety for people in general, they put it on there to make their car look more secure,
actually i dont believe this either (the second statement)

BUT i garantee you that my car (look in my gallery, a 320i) doesnt have problems with that speed and the rpms are limited at 5000, i'm doing 210 km/h while i read 4000 -4300 rpms and this is no joke, this is BMW.

Jezus, if you really think he's lying and you really want to proof it wy don't you mail, call or go to a bmw dealer,factory and listen there, but dont you come back here then with yr green purple white face of anger on yrself cause you decided to post a reply in wich you call cassiesman ( respectable bmw driver) a lyer.

sorry moderators, felt like replying on this one (is a rare fact)

see ya
Bert

Ps: sorry for the bad written english but i'm just from belgium you know,
oh yeah, one question for the american people: WY IS BUSH WINNING THE ELECTIONS ??? Dont you know whats he STILL does in IRAK to just children and normal people, shit man we see images daily here of bombs here, bombs there angryness here, there........pffff
another four yrs would be a disaster for the whole world, and dont believe what his statements are cause that's just all bullshit, jezus guys are you all blind or is there an information stop from whats happening outside america,
i give a golden tip, watch michael moore for a change

Sorry guys for this maybe in yr eyes bullshit but this is the only way fr me too reach americans and this is the opinion of europe asia and all the others, good luck there

3rd gear should go to at least 80. So if he was in 4th he would be really low in the RPMs.

i give a golden tip, watch michael moore for change

Mom is over in Knokke right now, and I should have her beat you. Research si vous plait.

The rest of the post is up to par.

So if he was in 4th he would be really low in the RPMs.

not necessarily...i own a 1989 Nissan Maxima 5-speed, and 3rd gear tops out at 90 for me, and when i shift and let the clutch out (matching the throttle, of course) it catches at like 3K...5th gear would be closer to 2K, maybe 2.5K, and i kno our gears are different, but most cars would be about the same...but i wouldn't want to drive with the RPMs that high for that long...at any speed, because he could keep it in 1st at like 30 mph (or close to redline) and it would be at a very high rpm n e way...everything is just spinnin way too fast for too long of a time, buildin up too much heat because the oil is bein slung away from the metal too much, creatin more friction...i could be wrong about this but i would picture this is whats happening in an engine runnin at about 6K...

Research si vous plait.

actually...i think that should be s'il vous plait...if that's supposed to be french...i took it in high school a couple years ago n i forget most of it...

not necessarily...i own a 1989 Nissan Maxima 5-speed, and 3rd gear tops out at 90 for me, and when i shift and let the clutch out (matching the throttle, of course) it catches at like 3K...5th gear would be closer to 2K, maybe 2.5K, and i kno our gears are different, but most cars would be about the same...but i wouldn't want to drive with the RPMs that high for that long...at any speed, because he could keep it in 1st at like 30 mph (or close to redline) and it would be at a very high rpm n e way...everything is just spinnin way too fast for too long of a time, buildin up too much heat because the oil is bein slung away from the metal too much, creatin more friction...i could be wrong about this but i would picture this is whats happening in an engine runnin at about 6K...


Alright fine lets say he would be between 2000 and 3000RPMs. Either way thats no where near the 5000 6000rpms TypeS is saying. I mean 3000RPMs isnt that bad.

How about taking a picture while he's going 80 and one while going 128, otherwise, the facts speak for itself.

What facts? I haven't seen you give any facts that what he said isn't correct.

Mom is over in Knokke right now, and I should have her beat you. Research si vous plait.

The rest of the post is up to par.

euhmmm, what has knokke to do with me and yr mom, wy should you have yr mom beat me, research for what ?? could you be a little more specific please, and its indeed s'il vous plaît. but i'm on the flemish side of belgium. :wink:

How about taking a picture while he's going 80 and one while going 128, otherwise, the facts speak for itself.


How about clicking on the links I posted above? It clearly states what the rpms of the I6s at 4th and 5th gears are going at that speed.

He's claiming that his car in a lower gear is reving at lower rpms, than other BMWs at the same speed in a higher gear.

I do believe that he went at that speed for that long, but face it, if you knew anything about cars, you'd know that he was above 5000ish rpms.

So unless I see a picture of his modified going 80 in 4th at 2000 rpms, I don't believe that. He never said that he had modified his differential ratios, so it's gotta be stock.

How about taking a picture while he's going 80 and one while going 128, otherwise, the facts speak for itself.


How about clicking on the links I posted above? It clearly states what the rpms of the I6s at 4th and 5th gears are going at that speed.

He's claiming that his car in a lower gear is reving at lower rpms, than other BMWs at the same speed in a higher gear.

I do believe that he went at that speed for that long, but face it, if you knew anything about cars, you'd know that he was above 5000ish rpms.

So unless I see a picture of his modified going 80 in 4th at 2000 rpms, I don't believe that. He never said that he had modified his differential ratios, so it's gotta be stock.

And speed, please don't talk to me about germany, I've lived there for 7 years so I've probably spent more time on the autobahn than you behind a wheel.

Oh and before I get another response from people who don't know anything about cars, here's a pic of a 323ci that was going just over 130 mph.

As you can see, the rpms were close to 5500. Now, if a car redlines at 7000 rpms, it WILL be bad for it if you're doing 128 @ 5300 rpms for 5 minutes straight.

"80 mph in 4th @ 2000 rpms" lmao

http://www.bmw-forums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17865&hl=fastest%20%20gone&st=20

Just I side note. While testing the C6 vett they took it on the autobahn for 200miles above 100 the whole time hitting speeds like 180mph in some sections. Car was fine after...

voila that was what i'm trying to say racer d12
no further comment

Great, now let's bring the whole thread off topic and talk about the corvette.

HAHA! This serisouly has to be the biggest joke ever. First you lose an argument, and now you're comparing a performance coupe to a stock family sedan.

Let's see

C6 Vette: LS2 6.0-liter V-8 - 400 hp and 400 lb-ft of tq.

325i BMW: 2.5l BMW I6 184hp 174 lb-ft of tq.

Let's see now, which one was made so it can take more abuse amd go higher speeds, a performance coupe that people take to the racetrack or a family 4 door entry level luxury sedan?

Believe me, BMWs weren't "made" to go 130 mph for long periods of time. How many people do you see doing that, where most speed limits are 70 mph? When you have something to say that MAKES SENSE, please come back, until then, just admit that he was abusing the car.

And don't give me the excuse "they made the bmw for the autobahn"

They sold around 200K in the u.s. in 2000 while 250K in germany. By 2002, it was 260K in the U.S. and 260K in germany. Guess where they sold more BMWs in 2004? U.S. or Germany? So you're telling me that they're making the BMWs for autobahns even though they sell more of them here in the U.S.? There are no autobahns here, no need to make a car go 130 mph for long periods of time. It's a family sedan!

Alright fine lets say he would be between 2000 and 3000RPMs. Either way thats no where near the 5000 6000rpms TypeS is saying. I mean 3000RPMs isnt that bad.

ok today i was actually doin 80 down rt 1 in 5th gear, n da rpms were around 3000...i dropped it down to 4th n da rpms shot up to 3500 when i eased da clutch out...i kno i have different gear settings than a bimmer, but it wouldn't be that much different...

TypeS...shut up.

I usually try to stay unbias in arguments I am not directly involved in, but your points are waisting my brain cells.

First off, a bimmer CAN stay at high speeds without problems. They are made for performace in a sedan. Dont read c/d much do you? They win every comparison test they are in, including performance.

Secondly, as comparing it to the vette, true that it is two totally difference classes, however never compare the life of a big v8 to a smaller engine. I am v8 fan, but thier engine life never EVER compares to an import, so if a big performance by numbers v8 can last at high speeds w/o major problems, then of course an engine with alot more enginering and performance with alot less #s, can surely last fine.

Maybe you should just take a break from this thread instead of coming in here and giving someone a hard time, when all thier original intention was to share a story. A story which I, and others, enjoyed reading. Thanks for the contribution to the SR forums Cassie, however TypeS Thanks for the annoying push into a flame war. Your the best bud.

Ok, even though I disagree, I'm not gonna push it any further. My girlfriend drives a Z3 BMW, so it's not like I don't like them. I just don't think that it's a good idea to do that to a car, weather it's a BMW or not. I was a good kill that lasted 3 min and 30 seconds too long. I'm gonna leave it at that.

Well your going to let it die, as shall I and everyone Else. I will agree with you, it is not the BEST thing to do for your car, even Track only cars take less wear and tear at lower speeds. I was just merely saying it wasnt worth the fight, and that it was possible, reading my post im starting to think I came on 2 strong, which wasnt the intention.

Great, now let's bring the whole thread off topic and talk about the corvette.

HAHA! This serisouly has to be the biggest joke ever. First you lose an argument, and now you're comparing a performance coupe to a stock family sedan.

Let's see

C6 Vette: LS2 6.0-liter V-8 - 400 hp and 400 lb-ft of tq.

325i BMW: 2.5l BMW I6 184hp 174 lb-ft of tq.

Let's see now, which one was made so it can take more abuse amd go higher speeds, a performance coupe that people take to the racetrack or a family 4 door entry level luxury sedan?

Well actually in theory because the vett has a bigger engine its parts are moving with more inertia which at higher speeds mean more stress on the engine parts. So I was just showing that if a vett can do 100-180mph for 200miles then a "little" 2.5 bmw shouldn’t have a problem with 5min at 130mph. Also I wanted to use a car that was not considered over built or a super car. And thats when a show on the C6 came on. That make any sense TypeS?

Edit: oh didnt see last post sorry letting it die.........now.

Racer D12, I think I got one of those engines in my garage somewhere...gimme a call, you can have it.













J/K srry.

Good I thought I was going to have to make a trip out to Illinois to steal it lol