How loud would this system be??

hi im on a little budget and was looking at this combo of a lanzar amp and dual 12's... i already have a pioneer cd-player.... i was wondering how good would the combo be??? would it be very loud ??? im kinda lookin for a amp and sub for under 250 if anyone has any other suggestions....would the Lanzar VIBE241 1000 Watt 2 Channel MOSFET Amplifier be better than the heritage?? if i were to get this would it be better to have the subs bridged or just use the indvidual channels??
Thanks for any help
Alex

The sub:

Two 12" High Power 4 Ohm Subwoofer
Silver P.P. Cone/New Pattern
Specially Treated Black Rubber Edge Suspension
2.5" Kapton Voice Coil
White Neon Light Silhouette
High Quality Construction
Quick Connect Terminal
Plexi Glass Window
Four Aluminum Port Tubes
1200 Watts Max Power Handling
Dimensions: 38"W x 16.4"H x 13.6"D

the amp is a Lanzar HTG244 2 Channel 1000 Watts High Power MOSFET Amplifier

2x250W RMS at 4 OHMS. 2x500W Max at 4 OHMS
1x1000W Max at 4 OHMS Bridged. 2x420W RMS at 2 OHMS
MOSFET Switches to Maintain Rated Power Over A Wide Range of Battery Voltages
Stiffly Regulated PWM-Type Power Supplies
2 Ohm Stereo Stable Operation
Stereo, Bridge and Tri-Mode System Application Compatible
Variable Input Level Controls For Each Pair of Channels
Variable High and Low Pass Crossover Controls
Thermal and Speaker Short Protection Circuitry
Power and Protection LED Indicators
Bass Boost Circuitry
Nickel Plated Power, RCA and Speaker Connectors
High-Efficiency, Heavy Aluminum Heatsink
Bass Boost Remote Control
Bridgeable at 4 Ohms
THD: <0.04%. S/N Ratio: >90dB
Channel Separation: >65dB
Freq. Response: 10Hz~35KHz, 1dB
Fuse: 20A x 2
Dimensions: 9.82"(W) x 2.34"(H) x 13.46"(L)




Lanzar VIBE241 1000 Watt 2 Channel MOSFET Amplifier

2 x 200 Watts RMS at 4 Ohms
2 x 500 Watts Max at 4 Ohms
1 x 800 Watts Max at 4 Ohms Bridged
2 x 375 Watts at 2 Ohms
MOSFET Switches Maintain Rated Power Over A Wide Range of Battery Voltages
Stiffly Regulated PWM-Type Power Supplies
Variable Input Level Controls for Each Pair of Cannels
Variable High & Low Pass Crossover Controls
High-Efficiency, Heavy Aluminum Heatsink
Remote Subwoofer Bass Control
Electronic Crossover Network
Bass Boost Circuit
Bridgeable at 4 Ohms
2 Ohm Stereo Stable
Tri-Mode Capable
Gold RCA Inputs
Line Outs for Left & Right Channels
Power & Protection LED Indicators
Advanced Protection Circuitry
Soft Turn On/Off
Frequency Response: 15 Hz-35 kHz
S/N Ratio: 90 dB
Dimensions: 10.25"W x 2"H x 15"L

FYI i drive a chevy s-10 blazer 2-door... didnt know if that makes a diffrence in sound quality.... a quick question how loud does it take to break a window??
Alex

the subs are crap, I can tell because there's no brand name, they're rated in max power, they come housed in a bandpass box, and there are absolutely no usefull specs, the entire description just talks about useless cosmetics. So the subs are out, and the amps aren't much better. The only Lanzar worth mentioning is the Opti series, all the other ones aren't worth the scrap metal they're made out of.

Amp and sub under $250? That won't get you very far, maybe a shiva in a custom ported box on a profile california, but once you add in supplies for the box that'll put you over budget. You really can't get anything quality in that price range, and I don't mean "quality" as in "the best there is", I mean "quality" like "won't kick the bucket after 5 minutes of play".

thanks for the reply.. do u have a link for those shiva things u mentioned?? im really not looking for a real loud bass just something that sounds good...and sometimes to turn some heads my way

http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/cut%20sheets/Shiva%20Sales%20Brochure.pdf
http://www.acoustic-visions.com/~acoustic/products/subwoofer_drivers/adire_shiva

those fu*kers are expensive. :) for one it is like 130 bucks..got any other suggestions little cheaper ;)

those fu*kers are expensive. :) for one it is like 130 bucks..got any other suggestions little cheaper ;)

that isn't expensive at all when it comes to car audio, but for cheaper, maybe a kicker comp vr, can be had pretty cheap on ebay. not bad sq, best for the money probly.

$125 shipped is expensive?

that's news to me....

those fu*kers are expensive. :) for one it is like 130 bucks..got any other suggestions little cheaper ;)
DO you listen to sh*t for car audio? COME ON MAN. Have you been in any car audio store? that is cheap as crap for one sub... If you don't give a rip about how something sounds loud or quality and just want bass get something cheap...

I looked on ebay at the crap woofers that still get loud... 150 for 2 that only do 300 watts a piece at MOST...

okay then so they are 125 shipped for one right?? that dosent include a box right... does anyone have any plans for a box that i could make myself?? also what would be a good amp to run those subs?? thanks for the help guys i dont mean to be so cheap.

okay then so they are 125 shipped for one right ... i do have alot of money i could spend i was just throughin out a number to try to stay around...if i got one sub now and another one later would that be very loud with just one???? that dosent include a box right... does anyone have any plans for a box that i could make myself?? also what would be a good amp to run those subs u said a profile cal should i get a 2 channel one or a mon channel one?? thanks for the help guys i dont mean to be so cheap.

sry for double post

so i was looking at the profile ap1200 would that be a good amp to go along with 1 or 2 shivas??
http://www.profileusa.com/products_amps_ap.cfm

or would a profile clarus CL800 be better??
http://www.profileusa.com/products_amps_cl.cfm

another quick question with those shivas would it be running at 2 ohms all the time??thats better right??
thanks guys

sry for all these posts but i got alot of time on my hands today.... but i was reading that a profile ca-600 with a tempest would be good... would it??

go AP before clarius, see if you can find some CA amps..

how much space would a tempest take up would i be better off with just a shiva?? hey haibane would u suggest using the ca-600 or the ca-600m ??

yes a ca600 would work well on a tempest, but a tempest needs a very large box...so just keep that in mind. About 3-4cf sealed or 4-5cf ported would be good

alright so that decides it i will get a profile ca-600 with a shiva i dont got enough space for a tempest... i looked at adire and found some specs for a sealed box anyone got any suggestions for one???

you should email them for box specs, there aren't too many suggestions on their site for car boxes. If I had to guess I would say ~2cf sealed or ~3cf ported tuned to ~30hz. Double check with them though, in my experience they're pretty fast at responding to emails.

hey quick question would a shiva be better on the ca-600 or ca-600m the regular 600 is a 2 channel vs the m which is mono http://www.profileusa.com/products_amps_ap.cfm ??here is a link to the boxes i was referring to..
http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/SealedShivaApplications.PDF

and where is the best deal to buy either the ca-600 or m version??

oh to clear up something when i said any suggestions for a sealed box i was meaning for me to make one....

yeah those boxes are for home usage, you should email them for car audio suggestions. It might end up being the same, but it's worth a shot

And the 600 would be better since the shiva can only be wired to 4ohm. If it could be wired to 2ohm then the 600m would be a better choice, but it can't.

thanks for the quick reply... hey is a profile ap-1200 any good?? would that be a better choice or should i just stick with the 600??

oh yeah what website is real cheap for amp stuff.. another quick question i also saw a ca-800 would that be better?? or is the 600 all i need to power the shiva??

sry for all these quesiton but im new to the car audio world... but since it is a 2 channel amp would it be better to have the one shiva bridged??

profile just came out with a new line to replace the california series, it should be as good or better than the californias, but unfortunately I forgot which line it is. If I was going to run a profile amp, those ones or the californias would be the only ones I would run.

www.millionbuy.com has good prices on profile amps

the 600 is all you would need, you should only need 300rms or so to reach full excursion, any more than that is just headroom

and yes, since it's a 2ch amp, you would need to bridge it to the sub

its the AP

i think it is the ap versions that replaced the ca
here is a link of a ap 1200 tell me what u think










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Features:

Peak Output Power (4 Ohms): 400W x 2
RMS Output Power (4 Ohms): 200W x 2
Peak Output Power (2 Ohms): 600W x 2
RMS Output Power (2 Ohms): 300W x 2
Bridged RMS Output Power (4 Ohms): 600W x 1
MOSFET Power Supply : Yes (Dual)
Total Harmonic Distortion: <0.05%
Signal / Noise Ratio: 103 dB
High/Low Level Converter (Male RCA): Yes
Pre-Amp (RCA) Outputs: Yes
Variable Bass Boost at 45Hz 0-12 dB
12dB/Octave Crossover
(High Pass/Full/Low Pass) HP/Full/LP
Variable LP Crossover Frequency: 50 - 250 Hz
Variable HP Crossover Frequency: 80 Hz -1.2 kHz
Bass Level Remote Control (16.4 ft): Yes
Fuses: 3 x 25A
Dimensions:
(2" H x 10 1/4" D) 15 1/4" W
Power/Speaker Terminal Size (Gauge): 4 /

That amp has the ability to severely damage a shiva

That's not necessarily a bad thing though, as long as you know how to use the extra power it will be fine.

hmm... so would u suggest the Profile AP1000...or something even smaller?? does anyone have an ap amp do they get hot real quick??
California 1000W 2 CH Amplifier (2 ohm Max Rating)

Specifications

Peak Output Power (4 Ohms) 320W x 2
RMS Output Power (4 Ohms) 160W x 2

Peak Output Power (2 Ohms) 500W x 2
RMS Output Power (2 Ohms) 240W x 2
Bridged RMS Output Power (4 Ohms) 480W x 1
MOSFET Power Supply Yes (Dual)
Total Harmonic Distortion <0.05%
Signal / Noise Ratio 103 dB
High/Low Level Converter (Male RCA) Yes
Pre Amp (RCA) Outputs Yes

Variable Bass Boost at 45Hz 0-12 dB
Variable Treble Boost at 8kHz No
12db/Octave Crossover
(High Pass / Full / Low Pass) HP/Full/LP
Variable LP Crossover Frequency 50 Hz -
250 Hz
Variable LP Crossover Frequency 80 Hz - 1.2kHz
Bass Level Remote Control (16.4 Feet) Yes

Variable 12db/Octave Subsonic Filter No

Fuse (s) 2x 30A
Dimensions
(2" H x 9 3/4" D) 12 1/2" W
Power / Speaker Terminal Size (Gauge) 4 / 6

now whould the 1200 be able to push 2 shivas eventuall when i get the money?? if that is the case should i just buy that and just not turn up the sound real loud on one shiva??

No the 1200 won't work too well for a pair of shivas, the load would be all wrong and you'd only get 200 going to each.

The 1000 would be a better match for 1, but it wouldn't be able to power a pair either. If you want to get a 2nd shiva later then you should find a mono amp that puts out about 800x1 @ 2ohm.

thanks i guess ill go with the 1000 one.... hey does anyone else have a s-10 blazer 2 door... where should i put the amp?? it wont work under the seat since the seat needs to be able to move forward....any ideas??

alright im confused again.. sry guys.. but i was looking at the profile ap1000 vs profile ca-600m now im going to be running this shiva on one channel anyway shouldnt i just get a mono channel amp??

why would you be running the shiva on one channel?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18796&item=5723711887&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

this will be perfect for 1........only $91 shipped

i thought with it bridged it would be just 1 channel.... oh well i may buy that ca-600 that is what was recommended in the first place...

bridged is using both channels

cool.. hey i ordered the ca-600 so it should be here soon. but another quick question when i go to hook the amp to the sub woofer what kind of connections do i need.. like i heard dual coil subs are harder than single coil.. the shiva is dual right so how does that hook up??

If you want to turn heads man, i suggest you try saving up a little more money...the only subs at best buy that will turn heads are the R.F. and MAYBE some of the pioneers. Also as far as amps go, DO NOT buy pyle, lanzar, or pyramid. I had an 800 watt pyramid going to an 800 watt rms audiobahn and it LITERALLY barely moved the cone!!

(to this post)...wowwww, buddy you cant turn any heads with the price you are puttin down. Car audio almost always costs more than you think. Unless you are gonna do the entire install yourself. (speakin of which, anyone know where any good car audio schools in the states are? I would really like to take some classes on it, please PM me if you do)