How bad is smoking really for you?

I turned 18 september 12th, and I just started wondering how bad smoking really is for you...I started smoking when I was around 17 1/2, and I have about 3-5 cigerattes a day since then. I know all of the comercials about weed suporting terrorists and all that garbage is way blown out of proportion. Like how DARE or whatever in fifth grade told us that weed makes you crazy and you give your money to terrorists, when I can almost guarentee it's just going to some single guy in an apartment that grows it or something. Anyways...I have seen lungs of before and after with smoking and it looks crazy bad, but also it said they were at like 2 packs a day for 35 years or some insane thing like that. Even with me having really bad asthma (I havn't had any trouble since I was 9) I don't notice anything different at all. I can run just as good, I weight the same...I dunno everything feels the same. I know it's not an exact science and that there isn't a pre-set lung deterioration for it, but just generally how bad really is it? I mean drinking a beer or glass of wine a day is good for you, but you have to be 21, but to smoke wich i've only heard bad things about you only have to be 18...Anybody have any info or opinions? Im just curious.

let me say this; what says that those few cigs a day will not turn into 2 packs a day? if you have ever found yourself turning to a cig in any stressful type of situation, then i see problems in the future.

I mean drinking a beer or glass of wine a day is good for you, but you have to be 21, but to smoke wich i've only heard bad things about you only have to be 18...Anybody have any info or opinions? Im just curious.

For starters, alcohol can be cleared by the system MUCH faster than cigarette tar can be cleared by the lungs. Add to that difficulty when you factor in the damage to, or destruction of, your cilia. Nobody is lying to you- cigarettes are bad news. To date, 3 people in my family have died directly (horribly and painfully) from smoking-related ilnesses. That was enough to make me quit, regardless of what DARE, the government, or anyone else thinks. The greatest thing in the world is a cigarette and a coffee or beer (I still get cravings), but it's just not worth it when you factor in the consequences, you know? Every year I indulge in a clove cig. or two, but the way I feel afterwards (achy chest, sore throat, headache, the fucking smell) reminds me how nasty the stuff is. Quit while you're still under a pack a day- it only gets harder and harder...

Alright thanks for the info. I quit for a month just to prove to myself that I could, and I had no problem doing it. I'll take into consideration what you guys are saying though.

Here's the deal, there' not much good to say about smoking - long before you have a chance of getting cancer, your vains will have narrowed, and your heart has to work harder to circulate blood - on top of that, your lungs are no longer able to deliver as much oxygen to your blood - so your ability to sustain pyhsical activities has been reduced, and over a long enough time of course your lungs will fill with tar, and you run the risk of getting cancer etc.
And with all the crap they pack into those things these days, I'm sure there's lots of other stuff I don't know about.
If you really want to keep smoking, buy a corncob pipe, and smoke once a day in the evening (or less, a pipe is not something you'd smoke all the time, I couldn't imagine somebody smoking a pipe as frequently as alot of people smoke cigs.) That's the only proper way. :) of course you'll get the same problems, but at least you won't smell like smoke for the whole day. (not to mention, pipes are much cooler than cigarettes, and it'll keep you from being tempted to smoke while driving, or smoke while walking around with friends, etc.)

Here's the deal, there' not much good to say about smoking - long before you have a chance of getting cancer, your vains will have narrowed, and your heart has to work harder to circulate blood - on top of that, your lungs are no longer able to deliver as much oxygen to your blood - so your ability to sustain pyhsical activities has been reduced, and over a long enough time of course your lungs will fill with tar, and you run the risk of getting cancer etc.
And with all the crap they pack into those things these days, I'm sure there's lots of other stuff I don't know about.
If you really want to keep smoking, buy a corncob pipe, and smoke once a day in the evening (or less, a pipe is not something you'd smoke all the time, I couldn't imagine somebody smoking a pipe as frequently as alot of people smoke cigs.) That's the only proper way. :) of course you'll get the same problems, but at least you won't smell like smoke for the whole day. (not to mention, pipes are much cooler than cigarettes, and it'll keep you from being tempted to smoke while driving, or smoke while walking around with friends, etc.)


Pipes make you better at solving crimes too :icon16:

That would be awesome. I could even buy a Hawaiin shirt, one of those hippy cowboy hat kinda things, and the big tan sunglasses. (Hoping someone has seen the movie "The Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas") haha

Get a 4 foot long native american peace pipe. Light up in bars to get attention.

Im sure if I came home with a bigass pipe or bong and told my parents it's for tobacco...yeah they wont believe me.

smoking is totally gross and not worth it.

imagine how much money you waste on cancer sticks and what better things you could buy/do with that money

I doubt that i've spent more than $30 in the last year. I get em at $2 a pack and one of those last usually a little over 2 weeks. I know its more than $30 but its not bad i guess. I've really cut down, but it's just something to do while I drive or am alone or whatever kinda thing.

cancer sticks
Slow Death Sticks?

i smoke a cig like....once everyday. or once every 2 days. I haven't bought any cigs for myself yet. All i do is take my dad's or mom's cigs lol. I know..bad...but hey, i'm surprised they haven't noticed me takin a cig or two from their packs. Smoking cigs is definitely a turn off for girls also....well from the ones that i talk to :P

depends on th girl, a lot think its gross, a alot think its cool, but you dont usualy want to mess with those ones, however most ive talked to either dont like it or dont care either way. Its no good fo you tho, and most people who do it to look cool end up looking pretty dumb, frankly its easy to tell who is addicted and who just wishes they were a badass. Smoking is horrible for you, its best not to do it, but it is really your choice as to weather or not you want to.

Yeah it does look really dumb if thats the only reason you are smoking. I only smoke when im stressed a little or just bored, and I RARELY smoke around people. Maybe 4 times in the last year. The way I look at it, there are many very worse things I could be doing to handle my stress. I know there are better also, but at least im not cutting myself or some shit.

...frankly its easy to tell who is addicted and who just wishes they were a badass

You're making it sound as though it's badass to be addicted... :uhoh:

I first started smoking when I was about 16, and I didn't notice any immediate effects either. I guess it took about a year of smoking 5-10 a day before I noticed an extra little wheeze in the back of my throat or shortness of breath after some not-so-strenuous exercise. But the amount of time it takes really doesn't matter, because they will show up eventually if you keep smoking.

There are also lots of things that are completely outside of your control that make you more or less vulnerable to the hazards of smoking than someone else. Mostly things revolving around genetics. Take me for instance... My Grandmother smoked for years and just recently died of lung cancer. They thought they had it beat for a little while, but it turned out that it had actually spread throughout the rest of her body and they didn't even know it. Watching her go was no fun. My Dad also smoked for years, both before and after I showed up. He had his first heart attack before he was 40. So did his younger brother. My Dad was just recently in the hospital again with a less severe condition, and the only reason the second one wasn't as bad was because he did his best to quit after the first. If not for that there is no doubt in my mind that he wouldn't be around today.

So a guy like me needs to be a lot more wary, as it's obviously been demonstrated that there's something in my family lineage that doesn't react well with cigarettes. But even knowing that, 10 years after my first cigarette I can't say that I never smoke. Every once in a while if I'm out drinking with my friends I'll have a couple. Like someone else said, they just go so well with beer. But at the same time I'll go months without touching one and not think twice about it. I'd like to think that this might make up for an occasional night of indiscretion, but every time I light one up, feel my lungs burn and my heart start to pound I'm not so sure...

You're making it sound as though it's badass to be addicted... :uhoh:

nah nah, just saying its easy to tell who is smoking because they legitimately need nicotine and who just has a cig in their mouth because they think it makes them look cool.

this topic alone makes me gag!

smoking is NOT cool.
sorry kids but i've never smoked a day in my life (besides NOT having a choice when i'm around someone who does smoke) and i'm 27yrs old. my whole family smokes and it sickens me to see them killing themselves slowly. my grandmother had lung cancer and couldn't hardly breath for 6yrs. she was on oxygen and it only worsend till the day she died in my arms.

stop now, stop while you can b/c it will only get harder and harder.

FACTS:

Twenty minutes after taking his or her last puff, a smoker’s blood pressure and pulse begin dropping back to normal.
Within one year after quitting, a smoker’s risk of a heart attack is decreased by 50 percent.
After 10-15 years of being smoke-free, an ex-smoker’s risk of lung cancer drops to one-half that of a smoker’s.
Ex-smokers enjoy a higher quality of life with fewer illnesses from cold and flu viruses, better self-reported health status, and reduced rates of bronchitis and pneumonia.
Food tastes better.
Sense of smell returns to normal.
Ordinary activities, such as climbing stairs or doing chores, no longer leave you out of breath.
A pack-a-day smoker will save over $1,400 in one year if not smoking. A two-pack-a-day smoker will save more than $2,800.

Smoking cigarettes exposes you to more than 4,000 chemicals such as ammonia (a common household cleaner) formaldehyde (embalming fluid), arsenic (found in rat poison), and carbon monoxide (a highly poisonous gas) that can cause serious medical conditions such as cancer, heart disease and emphysema.
Tobacco smoke contains 69 cancer-causing chemicals.
In addition to lung cancer, smoking also is a major risk factor for cancer of the mouth, voice box (larynx), bladder, kidney, pancreas, cervix, stomach, and some leukemias.
Smoking causes serious respiratory diseases such as emphysema and chronic bronchitis for up to 20% of smokers.
Smoking is a leading cause of heart disease, heart attacks and stroke.
Altogether, smoking kills more than 400,000 people in the U.S. each year-it's the nation's leading preventable cause of death. That's one death every 72 seconds - all day, every day.
And that's not all. Worldwide, 4.9 MILLION people die every year. That's more than 13,000 per day.

Smoking doesn’t just affect a person’s health; it also affects how they look! Here are just a few effects of smoking that, well, let’s just say, aren’t pretty!

Wrinkles and Gray Hair! Most people have heard about "smoker's wrinkles" or the increased "crow's feet" around smokers' eyes; but few realize that smoking also has been associated with prematurely gray hair and even hair loss.
Bad Breath! Smoking causes bad breath and makes smokers' homes and clothes stink; and, perhaps fortunately for smokers, it also reduces their sense of smell.
Tooth Loss! Beyond tobacco-stained teeth, smokers also are more likely to suffer from gum disease, including tooth loss.
Bone Loss! Cigarette smoking is a risk factor for osteoporosis, a serious bone disease.
Headaches! Smoking also has been associated with increased headaches.
If you don’t smoke, but are often around people who do, you may be inhaling their secondhand smoke:

Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths and nearly 35,000 heart disease-related deaths every year among adult non-smokers, and it is the cause of nearly 2,000 annual cases of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.
Children and infants who are exposed to secondhand smoke in the home have been shown to have significantly higher rates of asthma, colds, ear infections, and lower respiratory infections.
Secondhand smoke also can cause eye irritation, headaches, nausea, and dizziness.
To access more facts about smoking and secondhand smoke visit www.tobaccofreekids.org.

Ok, dumb question, but what about cigars? some people told me they arent as bad, even if you inhale. Is there really even any difference?

Worse for your throat and mouth, not as bad for your lungs. Same difference really. And those fuckers really stink (coming from a cigarette smoker).

norm macdonald on quiting smoking
"when I was a kid, like 14, I thought I'd look really cool because I didnt get along with anybody...so I started smoking, wouldnt you know it, I did look cool!"

:screwy: :naughty:

its a personal choice who gives a fuk if somebody smokes or not, it doesnt change anything else

I'm almost 20 and i've been smokin since i was 16, about a pack every 2-3 days.

The way i see it, you HAVE TO die of something.... and i might aswell enjoy my life while i'm young. I dont even want to be an old ass wrinkly but healthy 70 year old man. I dont care if i die earlier... i'd only wanna live to like 60 anyway. When I look at 70+ people that life looks like shit... you're ugly, slow, cant play sports (except for golf), and you cant fuk without viagra

And my grandpa smoked his whole life and he died when he was in his late 70s. My dads been smoking ALOT since he was 13, and he's 55. So i'm good. :thumbsup:
except that i smoke atleast 1 blunt everyday too :biggrin:

Now excuse me while i go light up a Marlboro

Worse for your throat and mouth, not as bad for your lungs. Same difference really. And those fuckers really stink (coming from a cigarette smoker).

depends what kind you smoke :iceslolan

The way i see it, you HAVE TO die of something.... and i might aswell enjoy my life while i'm young. I dont even want to be an old ass wrinkly but healthy 70 year old man. I dont care if i die earlier... i'd only wanna live to like 60 anyway. When I look at 70+ people that life looks like shit... you're ugly, slow, cant play sports (except for golf), and you cant fuk without viagra




But by smoking, you are going to acheive those goals when you're younger than 50. People that smoke look older than they really are. And all my friends that smoke have a hard time running now without getting out of breath and they aren't even 21 yet. So if you think you are gonna smoke and still be good at sports in a few years you are crazy.

But by smoking, you are going to acheive those goals when you're younger than 50. People that smoke look older than they really are. And all my friends that smoke have a hard time running now without getting out of breath and they aren't even 21 yet. So if you think you are gonna smoke and still be good at sports in a few years you are crazy.

hell nah.... when i look at all my uncles and dad, they still play soccer an shit and they dont look that old

And i'm not talkin about playing competetively, a 70+ year old man isnt going to be able to run around a soccer field a play for a game weather he smoked or not. He's jus old and cant do that shit, your bones are too aged an stiff

When you smoke... sure you'll get out of breath quicker, but so what? You're still playing, it's not like i'm gunna be trying to play English Premier League or sum shit. I play for fun.

I dont care if i die younger, i just wanna enjoy my life and do what i wanna do

Hey, I know a very very good reason why to quit smoking... :D

You wont become a limp dick.

Or if you already are, I am sooo soo sorry you couldn't enjoy life without cig's.

Quit now, before its too late. Don't put it off. Sure you can say to yourself, "I have control. I've quit for a whole month before. I have confidence in myself, I can quit whenever you want." When exactly is whenever you want? You mean never? You mean when its too late?

Go ride a rollercoaster or something. Better high. Better stress reliever. Better for your health. And its something you can do around/with other people without shooting heart disease and lung cancer in their faces.

Quit now, before its too late. Don't put it off. Sure you can say to yourself, "I have control. I've quit for a whole month before. I have confidence in myself, I can quit whenever you want." When exactly is whenever you want? You mean never? You mean when its too late?

Go ride a rollercoaster or something. Better high. Better stress reliever. Better for your health. And its something you can do around/with other people without shooting heart disease and lung cancer in their faces.


I dont even want to quit.... and u cant exactly take a rollercoaster out of a pack anywhere you are and ride it.


and 96civ... that limp dick thing is bullshit

I dont expect it to be that noticeable now, but when you get to be around 40...

I started smoking a while back, I think I have had about 4 packs of cigs and 4 cigars in my lifetime and I quit smoking almost all together. I might light 1 up every 4 days or so, but it beats being addicted to them.

The thing I have discovered Gotti, no one can go from a half a pack a day smoker to abusolutely nothing with a moments notice... you just have to cut back some, then a little more.

But you say you dont want to quit smoking, you are ingoring the fact that it does absolutely DICK for your health, well being and status.

I know you will keep smoking, so all I can say is, dont light up around people, unless they are smoking too of course, and be considerate if other people don't want to smell it.

You don't die of cancer, you die of cigarettes. You'll find out how bad smoking was when it kills you...

Quit now, bitches. I'm at a pack a day, and im TWENTY!
And quitting cigs is fuckn tough.

Quit now, bitches. I'm at a pack a day, and im TWENTY!
And quitting cigs is fuckn tough.
:1: :(

Have you ever seen a man with throat cancer and a hole at the base of his throat? I have. He had to have his throat from his mouth down to that hole removed because of cancer. The doctor told him to quit; but until the day he died he smoked through that hole at the base of his throat. Sick.

I've have several aunts and uncles die from cancer and heart attack. All smoked. My mother is nearly 80. She started smoking, having "just 1" at lunch with her friend. She smokes 2 packs a day and always seems to have one burning. By conservative estimate, she could have bought at least one new car, but has chosen for over fifty years to buy cigarettes instead. But now she couldn't stop if she tried, and she has tried.

Quit now, bitches. I'm at a pack a day, and im TWENTY!
And quitting cigs is fuckn tough.
You bet!!
The best thing is not to start.
Back in my early 20's all my g/f's smoked. For a while I got into the habit of bumming one when we were out on a date. I got to wanting one during the day.....I missed them.

The only thing that saved me was that I was too much of a CHEAP BASTARD to actually buy my own. When she dumped me, I stopped smoking (and started wanking.................)

The thing for me was when I saw my grandma die from lung cancer at age 14, I decided right then and there I'd never smoke a cigarette in my life.

Anybody who is saying "gonna die might as well die happy" obviously hasn't seen somebody they care about die from these things.

To me, dying happy is not hooked up to an oxygen machine, taking 4-5 breaths a minute, in constant pain, can only have small amounts to drink, can't eat any food, morphine to relieve your pain can only be giving to you by inhailing it as a gas, can't go to the bathroom and must go on yourself, and slowly sit there while your lungs fill up with fluid. That's not dying happy and anybody who keeps smoking knowing this, obviously isn't thinking at all.

Wish I had a story to tell as it seems to be the trend, but all I can add is that some chemicals from cigarettes hinder oxygen uptake to muscles make you less efficient.

Oh yeah, I've held a cigarette twice, but never smoked one.

ok, so i just read all these posts before writing this, and i haven't seen a word of evidence that i have never heard before. i am 18 and smoke nearly a pack a day. i started when i was almost 17. i know just about everything about the health risks of smoking and more than most people who pretend to know everything about it from watching those anti-smoking commercials. cigarettes are 10 times more addictive than HEROINE. cigarettes are also an anti-depressant, meaning that smokers CAN BE self-medicating for depression(if they ARE depressed, and most people are at one time in their life, which can be a sort of gateway for addiction to set in.)...whether they know they are depressed or not. i will never listen to anyone who has never smoked or a least been minorly addicted to nicotine...non-smokers have all the facts with out the first-hand experience...and they are pretty much being holy about the whole thing because they think that they are slightly more sane than smokers are. "those smokers are just fooling themselves if they think that smoking improves their lives." that IS true, but when things are said like this... it never seems like it is out of true care for the smoker's health...and while it may be...it just starts to seem like every non-smoker's duty to reprimand smokers for a bad choice (usually in their past) that is very hard to correct.

i will never try to convince anyone that smoking is good. as for the money thing..."it isn't neccessary...you could be saving that money for a car,"... well look at all the other random things we buy that only serve the purpose of entertaining our bored little minds. if we want to save money, we will save money. if you cut back and specifically saved money otherwised used for other things in life, like eating out or whatever, then, yeah, you'd be able to buy a car in a few years, but no one really thinks about that, do they?

we aren't exactly preserving our existence with pornos, candy, soda, and whatever else specific people like. look at how people eat foods that they know will clog their arteries before they die. people still eat hot dogs and food like that...but just because it tastes and feels better to ignore the long-term consequences that are built in with these foods. that is the exact same conundrum that smokers face. just imagine if hot dogs(or whatever unhealthy food you like) were more addictive than lot of powerfully addictive, commonly used drugs. imagine the huge hot dog companies that would spring up...

k. so i rant. it's just an opinion. just be glad i didn't start in on some more radical ideas.

im not a smoker, so your prolly gonna hate what i say. How the hell can you compare the health risks of cigs to porn? Candy, Soda, or Hot dogs? Gimmie a fucking break man. I dont smoke cause i was smart enough to understand the health risks involved in it. I didnt care that i was the only "uncool" kid out of my friends who didnt smoke on friday nights while drinking. More than likely the only reason you started smoking was to try and be cool, ur a wanna be. Your lacking something, its called will power. I had the will power to not smoke when all my friends were smoking, my parents had the will power to quit smoking when i was a baby, my brother had the will power to quit smoking. Have you ever noticed that the most intelligent people arent smokers?

You can say all you want about me never having the addiction to nicoten, i dont have it cause i was smart enough to never start it. You drive to a trailer park and i will guarantee you 99% of the people living their smoke cigs. You drive to the rich part of town and maybe 10% of the people that live their smoke cigs. Not saying all smokers are idiots, not saying all intelligent people dont smoke, just saying the majority. I mean think about it, in your school who was one of the first kids to start smoking? Was prolly the dumb kid who got bad grades. It wasnt the 4.0 student.

As for the health effects, if you cant read the side of a cigarrette package, you shouldnt be allowed to smoke. They clearly state that their product can cause cancer, if that isnt enough for you to stop, i dont know what is, besides death.

Lets all ingnore the bad things about smoking and start up to become addicted!!

Being depressed is mostly mental, so if I was convinced eating a banana would help my mood, it probably would.

I'm thinking, you either WANT to quit, can't quit and started making excuses why no one should quit..

-or-

You just don't care if you die a horrible death earlier than expected.

You can do whatever you want, but don't go convincing others to 'understand' an addiction, because it sounds like your trying to get people to start up.

I'm 17, almost 18 and I smoke the occacional Cigar at a party in a rare instance, but I would never chain smoke. I understand that a tobacco buzz can be relaxing, but calling it an anti-depressant is over the top.

i'm not comparing the health risks of soda, candy, etc, to cigarettes. what i'm saying is that people say buying cigarettes is a waste of money, because we don't really need them. i'm just saying that there are plenty of things we spend money on that we don't really need to put into our bodies, minds, some of which can be bad for you. everybody knows how back in the day there was cocaine(or something similar) in coca-cola. well just think about being addicted to coke(which actually the majority of caffeine drinkers are addicted..) but in such a hardcore way that quitting is really hard. well we all know coke rots your teeth, but we all just say, "well i'm just having one today", then we have one the next day, then the next day. people just want to ignore the consequences of their actions, and if they do, then who are you to tell them what to do with their bodies?

you don't really deal with addiction very much do you? it's hard to deal with, let me tell you. you don't just want to smoke. your body NEEDS to smoke.

i started smoking clove cigarettes to begin with because i liked the taste and smell. the whole "coolness" things never really entered into my normal thinking(although it may have played a role subconsciously). once i was addicted, i found that normal cigarettes taste better, and are less harmfull on the lungs and wallet. i know that i'm not cool, so i just do my own thing.

k...so smoking is really bad for you. if you already do smoke, decide for yourself whether or not you want to live with the future consequences.

It's a choice. I respect everyone's ability to make their own choice. But satchmode you're 18 and have made a choice to expose yourself to carcinogenic substances. 8 out of 10 people that smoke for several years get lung cancer. If you like it THAT MUCH to accept an 80% chance of dying early, go for it.

im not a smoker, so your prolly gonna hate what i say. How the hell can you compare the health risks of cigs to porn? Candy, Soda, or Hot dogs? Gimmie a fucking break man. I dont smoke cause i was smart enough to understand the health risks involved in it. I didnt care that i was the only "uncool" kid out of my friends who didnt smoke on friday nights while drinking. More than likely the only reason you started smoking was to try and be cool, ur a wanna be. Your lacking something, its called will power. I had the will power to not smoke when all my friends were smoking, my parents had the will power to quit smoking when i was a baby, my brother had the will power to quit smoking. Have you ever noticed that the most intelligent people arent smokers?


ok this post really pissed me off...
What gives you the right to critisize somebody for smoking? This is exactly what satchmode said (and i think he made some good points) all you non-smokers think you're BETTER than smokers, you think you're HOLYER and are so much SMARTER :rolleyes: YOU give me a fuckin break. It's not a guarentee that you will get cancer or whatever from smoking cigarettes, it simply INCREASES the chance. My grandma smoked for 65+ years and she died of natural causes, my grandpa lived till he was 80 and he smoked since he was 12, now he died from throat cancer. But guess what? It's my body and i can do whatever the hell i want with it, i dont care what you non-smokers think, so stop trying to impose your thoughts. You guys think that if you start talking shit about smoking that we're gunna stop? Hell no... cause we dont care what you think.

Me personally I dont even wanna fuckin live till i'm 80... whats the point? So i can be an old ass, wrinkly man who moves slow, cant play sports, lives in a retirement home and needs help to take a shit? I rather ENJOY life, i rather have it short and sweet than boring and long. For instance, i enjoy drinking, so i'm gunna drink as much as i want cause its my life and i want to have fun during my life, same thing with smoking. I enjoy it, and i want to enjoy my life. I'm not saying you have to smoke to enjoy life, i'm saying if somebody enjoys doing something why are you non-smokers trying to put them down for it? It's their decision NOT YOURS, so stop trying to act like you're smarter or something for not smoking. Being smart has nothing to do with smoking, its a personal decision as to the way you want to live your life. Smart doesnt have to mean boring. I've seen a picture of Einstein smoking, now by your theory of only smart people dont smoke when you said this "Have you ever noticed that the most intelligent people arent smokers?" Are you trying to say that Einstein wasn't smart?


I have alotta friends that dont smoke... do you see me critisizing their choice? NO! Because people can make their own choices and live their life the way THEY want to, its none of my fuckin business if they do or don't smoke.

Just like satchmode said, people do things everyday that are bad for their health, not only smoking. Would you want me to come and start preaching to you to stop eating McDonalds because its bad for you? I'm sure you dont, cause its your decision to eat something bad for you, its nobody elses business to critisize your decision. Would you like it if i said, have you noticed that 99% of people at a trailerpark eat mcdonalds and maybe 10% eat it in a rich neighborhood? That makes you stupid for eating mcdonalds, that means smart people dont eat mcdonalds. All of you non-smokers are being hypocritcal.... especially since being obese is MUCH worse for your health than smoking.

You want me to start critisizing fat people and saying, you're fat that means you're not smart, because smart people would know that eating too much is hazerdous to their health. Read the label :rolleyes:


If somebody wants to smoke, let them smoke, if somebody doesnt want to smoke, then they wont smoke... Just because you dont smoke doesnt mean you're better, or smarter than a smoker. Thats just fucking retarded.

It's a choice. I respect everyone's ability to make their own choice. But satchmode you're 18 and have made a choice to expose yourself to carcinogenic substances. 8 out of 10 people that smoke for several years get lung cancer. If you like it THAT MUCH to accept an 80% chance of dying early, go for it.

what's the percentage of people who die early from car crashes? don't drive, you might die! or get seriously injured. yes, i've accepted the consequences. and i'm young enough to say: we all have to die sometime.

when i said early that i wouldn't start on the radical ideas, well here's one the main one:

if we all walk around on pins and needles taking absolutely great care of ourselves, then we will(if we don't die of unnatural causes) live to be old and go on cruises and stuff, right? right. well people are being born way faster than people are dying, right? well eventually the world will be so crowded that our natural resources will waste away and the gaps in the ozone will widen and the air will become like LA's air, thin and clogged with what is almost...smoke! so if we don't fix the pollution problems and the over-population problem(i'm not saying kill people, or war or anything like that)...we all might as well be smoking because the air and sun(and lack of food for people in lower status countries) will kill us early anyways. point is nature is trying to kill us anyways...it really doesn't need this many of us around(especially with fossil fueled cars). there will always be some form of population control, whether it's smoking, food, drugs, or whatever. to totally control our ways of life(abolishing fatty foods, smoking, etc.) to the point where we all live unnaturally long lives, is essentially genocide. the table top will become too heavy for it's own legs to hold it up, so to speak. off the wall right? well just think of everyone living for 80+ years, all using food and oil til the day we die. now say everyone(just for yucks) has two kids, and their kids have two kids sometime before the original grandmas and grandpas die. this is saying everyone is the same age, it's just a general concept. the population just doubled until the original generation dies. DOUBLED. with the majority of the people who don't die from unnatural causes living til their maximum immortality, the world is screwed for sure.

make your own choices. oh, and weigh in the social factor that non-smokers don't (mostly) look at smokers as being completely normal human beings.

oh, and since you are actually making the decision to smoke or not smoke, if you were really going to smoke, you would already be a hopeless addict(at least until you get tired of it, or the social consequences force you out of it, i.e., a girl you like digs you, but won't be with you because you smell and taste like smoke), and not having second thoughts. if you really were reckless enough to smoke, you probably already would be smoking more, and not asking us about the absolute consequences.

I'll add my story to the thread to try and help people quit.
I started smoking when i was 16 and i'm now 23

It has been nearly a year now since i've had a ciagarette and I believe it's the best thing i've ever done for myself.

I quit cold turkey, even though it's the hardest way to give up, the cravings go away quicker as opposed to say, patches.
I was out with some friends having a drink and decided that that night would be my last night smoking. It sends you crazy the first few days but you've just got to keep holding out, you fell angry, anxous and depressed but after a week most of the cravings have gone. Quit now while you are young and ahead.