300ZX Twin Turbo vs. Supra Twin Turbo

300ZX Twin Turbo vs. Supra Twin Turbo

Why would someone pick the Supra Twin Turbo over the 300ZX Twin Turbo?

Let's analyze this-

(Specs for 1995 Twin Turbo models)

300ZX-----Supra

Weight~ 3518----- 3445
HP~ 300----- 320
Torque~ 283----- 315
Engine~ DOHC V6----- DOHC Inline 6
Transmission~ 5 Speed manual----- 6 speed manual
City/Hwy MPG~ 18/24----- 17/23
Wheels~ 16"----- 17"
Doors/Seats~ 2/2----- 2/4
0-60 mph~ 5.2----- 4.9 (from Motor Trend 7/93)
Quarter Mile~ 13.8----- 13.4 (from Motor Trend 7/93)
Both assembled in Japan

Okay, Okay, I'll admit that the Supra does win on every spec except MPG (but who cares about MPG!) but not by much!.
Both cars in stock form are just about equal in speed, good looks, reliabilty and tuning potential (I have seen modified examples of each built over 700HP)
Also the Z has that goofy All Wheel Steering but both are still bad ass rear wheel drive demons that to this day kick every other new car's ass!
So why is there such an overwhelming cult status dedicated to the Supra and not the Z? Most Twin Turbo Z's even cost $15,000.00 less than a Supra Twin Turbo of the same year.

First this is the Supra section, so most all here should think the Supra is the best with no question, it looks better, it performs better, the end. If you want a non-biased opinion because you and so many others like bench racing there is a section specificly for that...
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=666
You list tuning potential and you only say 700hp+, there have been many accounts over that number and some hitting four digits. Also you might want to fix that sig, the replacement for displacement is technology, when it boils down to it though there is no replacement because the larger engine with the same technology will win out everytime.

Also the 300Zx has a reputation of having transmission problems and they are supposedly very hard to fix and have complex engines

Yea, I'm sure when one goes to modify their car one will find the supra has much more availability, as far as back order, discon items, ect..

common how could you really compare a supra tt to a 300zx tt the supra is way better looking performs alot better(btw 0-60=4.6 and 1/4 mile times=13.1secs) i have a jza80 and i have driven a 300zx. ive seen evos with bpu's takeout "highleytunned" 300zx

The Supra is NICE. And it has crazy HP potential.

Is there a racing clip(s) of this race...it would be a pretty cool race to watch...

Uhh??

wasn't the Fairlady Z Twin Tubro also available in a 6speed... infact was the TT only a 6speed and the turbo the 5?

Further more heres another thing that kinda puts a kink in your arguement... the FLZ ended as the MKIV started. Besides that I would still think that the Jza70 TT would kill it.

However this is one thing I will say in praise to the Z's... in the 80's the inside of the car was bad ass... something the supra didn't really get untill the MKIV. So in that race I think they won. :smooch:

uhh, 300z's are horrid to modify, no room under the hood to do any work. Doesn't have as much potential as the 2jz, to tell you the truth I'd rather drive a mk3 than a 300z any day of the week even though z's look nice and perform decent just too hard to work on.

darknite23! get your fact straight..supra TT 0-60 4.9 sec..300ZX TT 2 seater 0-60 5 sec..so they are equal in speed...even tho im a 300ZX TT maniac but i gotta agree that the Supra have more potential in modification..the stock internals on the Zed can handle 500HP..but the stock internal and gear box of the supra can handle 700HP..both cars are equal in stock speed...but supra internals and gear box are stronger

Supra looks better, handles better, more tuning potential, wins stock for stock, nicer interior, status symbol name, and has Toyota reliability.

The Z was never the Supra's rival, now the R32 GT-R WAS.

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Supras are the shiznit! (but I'm buying a 300ZX because I'm poor and don't really want a 'fake' Supra (non-turbo) or an old smelly Supra (mk3).. :frown:)
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And the "knowing absolutely nothing about racing" award goes to Maniac

And the "knowing absolutely nothing about racing" award goes to Maniac

Amen

There is somthing to be said for the Z. Heritage and refinement. Zs have been around since the early 70s. They have always been innovative. The 280z was one of the first to have EFI. Then the early 80s 280ZX was one of the first to be factory turbo charged. They were leaders in interior appointments, and still are. I own a 79 280. It has EFI, a 5spd manual, A/C, one touch power windows, power mirrors, cruise controll (on a manual tranny no less), and an advanced stereo (for its day) with individual EQ adjustments. It has an on borard monitoring system that lets me know when any of the fluids are low, if the charging system is going bad. It even tells me if I have a head light or tail light out. These are things that you can't get on some cars today, let alone in 1979. The Supra MK IV is well known. The other models are rather obscure to non Supra fans, but the entire Z line is well known. I love my MK III, but I would probably shell out for a new 350Z before I bought a MK IV Supra. It just can't compare to the level of refinement of the Z. Thats why somone would chose the 300ZX TT.

TacomaBoy, you are the smartest one here, thanks for being non-biased like some of the others.

If one of you actually had a TT MKIV, with the cars being so rare, it would probably get stolen, scratched or beaten by someone just for spite-so that right there also gives points to the TT Z, oh yeah, another thing-there are a couple of VG 300z's out there with just turbo's (no nitrous) with 1400-1700 horsepower that are unbeaten. There are no Supras pumping out that kind of power. Don't believe me? just surf the web a little bit.

Not being biased here, but your statement about supras with 1400hp that have been beaten. I don't need to surf the web, Vinny Tin has the fastest supra in the 1/4. He is putting down 1468HP with no gas as well, and he's running 6.30's in the 1/4 mile. Oh yeah, and everyone else who claims to have a mkiv supra I can't vouch for but I own two MKIV's The one in my avatar and the one in my picture gallery, you can check my photo gallery if you'd like, or go to cardomain.com and search for my name on there as flyinmkiv.
I'm not one to cause drama, but I am one to set stuff straight. The Z series are great cars, but there is always something faster out there. The supra is a great car as well, BUT when you want to talk about an all around car, look into a RX7 or an NSX with some basic modifications. The power to weight ratio for an RX7 to a supra is pretty simple. The supra has to throw down at least an extra 200 HP to steadily pull from a 7, I know this because I have tested this. The thing that draws me away from a 300zx has been stated as well, There is no room under the hood to work on it without basically taking the motor out to do it, other wise your gonna get really pissed trying to work on it, their handeling is not that great ethier, granted a supra is not as well, but the HP potential is much easier to reach on a supra that a 300, which is what most supra owners want. I have worked on Supra's, 7's, and 300zx's, as well as NSX's I have driven all of them as well.
Look up any magazine article you want and compare numbers all day long, it won't get you anywhere. The only way you can make a decision on which car is better is if you get in it and drive it like you stole it, then make your choice. I don't have any problems with your thread or your oppinion but you did come on to this forum talking about the 300zx and people gave you their oppinion, you can ethier take it as you may or you can get upset, personally I don't care. Just please don't escalate the situation any further than it has already gone, as for the supra owners here, give the guy some breathing room and we can have a conversation about two different cars and explain why we made our decisions in a peaceful manner.

Have a great day!

like i said..2 seater Z32TT and supra TT are equal in speed..but supra have stronger internals and more potential in mods..i dont like the look of the supra..so dull..but i really respect it potential..

theyre not equal in speed...
the tt supra is faster by about 3/10ths of a sec on the 1/4 if im not mistaken
it may be less but i know for a fact theyre not equal

Personally I don't really like any of the 300 line. I think they are un attractive wedges just like the Supra was untill the MK IV, and the Corvette still is today. Now Supra folks don't get heated. I am MK III owner my self. I picked it up because it has a great 80s feel to it. When it comes to the Z line I love the 240 to the 280. The 350 is nice, but you can't beat that old roadster look. Which is why I have a 280. They were both lacking in the performance department though. Thats why the MK III got a 1JZ swap, and I am thinking a RB 25 or RB 26 would look nice under the hood of the 280.

OK, here's the deal. Now, I haven't read all the posts about this topic, because I simply don't have that kind of time. But here's my 2 cents:
The only reason why there is such a cult following of the Supra is because of one thing that causes similar cult following in many things other than just cars: the media. The Fast and the Furious is what literally what made the Supra so popular. It already had a strong following with people who knew sports cars, but that movie completely took the Supra and made it out to be way more than it really is. The Supra is an extremely overrated car. It's a great car, but it is not as godly as everybody makes it out to be. The 300zx is a fantastic car, and it completely set the pace for future sports cars. Toyota is as great company, but they copied Nissan's design and had a 4 year technological edge. And out of the box, the Supra pops out 20 more hp. Not because it's a better engine, like most newbie goobers think, but simply because the 2J motor has slightly bigger T3 turbos and bigger fuel injectors. If the 300zx had the next size turbos and fuel injectors, ALL of you supra people would see the Z pop out MORE than 20 hp easily, and it would easily outdrag any stock supra. The only reason why the Supra motor gets higher hp with mods ultimately is because of its straight 6 cylinder design, vs Nissan's V6. Straight 6's are easier to work on and easier to bolt mods on, and that's the only reason why you're seeing such high HP numbers. Nissan's Skyline has a flat 6 as well, and look what happens? V6's can produce the same power, but it just costs more money and requires longer labor hours. Ultimately, and any people who truly understand internal combustion motors and the racing sport in general know this to be true, it all comes down to how much money you want to spend. The Supra requires a bit less money, but the Z could easily produce the same hp numbers with the proper work. Period. In terms of company qualifications, Toyota has a great rep with lots of experience. But NIssan has more experience, and they produce, in my opinion, the best motors in the world. Remember, the 300zx turbo was test driven by Car and Driver in 1989, it was an unbelievable design back then. And I've driven both cars, and the Z feels more like a true sports car than the Supra, in terms of feel (suspension), and cockpit style (2 seater). The Supra is great, but I like the Z more

the I6 is hands down better then a V6, plus I6's are better for a turbo or turbos since all the exhaust is dumped outa one side. not to mention I6's have the potential to be alot more torque'y. and that just is the tip of the powerberg.
Id actually take a stock M3 over a TT 300zx because of this

Tcmaboy has a very good point.

The thing is, it all comes down to personal preference. Not every sports car is for everybody, aesthetic looks is one thing: relative to the holder. Everyone has different styles and preferences. I like both the Supra and the Z. Their performance is the same, there's a tiny difference that's so small it's insubstantial and not significant enough to mention. They were both awesome cars, and, if you put enough money into them, you can have both put out a tremendous amount of power. It's a bit easier to do this with the Supra because of its straight 6, but Nissan's VG motor is easily just as capable. They were both raced around the world professionally and both cars have had great results. So there's no reason to bash on one or the other. The RX-7, another incredible car. AutomobileManiac: I hear ya, but actually, a low mileage Supra turbo isn't more rare than a low mileage turbo Z these days. Autotrader is a pretty decent benchmark, go look both cars up. You'll find less low mileage good condition turbo Z's listed than Supras. Or maybe that's just because less Z owners are willing to sell their Z's....wonder why? It all comes down to how much fun your car gives you. When you pay a crazy amount of money for a car that isn't practical, is going to have more maintenance issues than a Camry (for example), gets worse gas mileage, and otherwise makes no sense to buy, it better give you a lot of fun. The Supra, RX-7 and Z have this in endless supply, and that's why they're all great. And by the way, I didn't get Tcmaboy's "point". He was just posting his opinion on what he likes and doesn't like, if I'm not mistaken?

Nissan made one good engine, and its not in the Z (skyline). 2JZ is and will always be the best engine ever built. Like you said, change the internals in Z and you can produce that kind of power. The 2JZ engine can withstand 900+ hp with stock internals. You also said, if the Z had a bigger T3 turbo it could make 20 extra hp. Well if you put a bigger T3 turbo in the supra it could make the same. You make no sense when you say that. Stock for stock, weight for weight the supra is by far the better sports car. I've driven both to. The Z is out dated and old, and the new 350z should have never been built. Its sad when you sports car(350) has the same engine as the Maxima,Altima,and Frontier. Just tuned a little diffrent. In NOPI drag racing you have 1, 350Z racing (I don't think they have won yet LOL) and 10 Supra's racing. Not to mention that all of your top dragster's are using the 2JZ engine as a base. So I think your whole idea of Z's begin better is full of @#$t. Just my .02 cent.

i love'em both, but i do really love the 300zx styling. Not that i dont like the supra's, but there is just something about the 300zx that i love.

HTB Supra: The Z is outdated, but guess what bud? So is the Supra. The 350 is cool, and because you have no business sense or economic knack, this is why you say that it's "sad" that it has the same motor as altima, maxima, quest and all...it was done for a reason, to save cost and produce uniform reliablity. And it's selling extremely well. Sorry, not trying to make your head explode. There's nothing sad about it, all Toyota did was copy Nissan's design and produce a car 3 years later with bigger injectors and turbos. So that's why it has more hp stock out of the box. I don't see how this doensn't make sense to you, you really can't comprehend this? It's a great car, but I just prefer the Z, it's more of a pure sports car, and they all get outdated. By the way, yeah, try putting 900+ hp on a supra with stock internals and see how long the motor lasts. Only a complete idiot would do this. You probably don't even own a supra anyway, and are just another teenage kid on the band wagon. It's OK, I'll take my Z.

You can have your Z. You proably own a saturn to(just like all the girls). And I dont think you have any balls either. And what part did Toyota copy, the Twin Turbo part. Both of the engine are completely diffrent except for that. What part of the Z is pure sports car. The fact that it has 4 wheels and 2 doors and a little bit of HP. Your an idiot. And the fact that Nissan what to save cost and produce uniform reliablity. Do that with your sedans not your sports car. I think YOUR one of those kids that watch me drive by and dreams latter that night. And as for style the Supra blows the Z out any day. Business sense and knack, WTF does that have to do about cars. Your one of those guys that want a Porsche, but cant afford it. What a Supra, but cant afford it. So you settle for the Z (sorry). Get a clue before you talk next time.

Toyota, like Mitsubishi, did a twin turbo charged motor like Nissan's. Nissan broke new ground with the Z, and there's no way you can possibly argue this. Yeah sure, it's a V6 compared to a straight for Toyota, and the turbos aren't sequential, but the meat of the setup is still a twin turbo 6 cylinder motor producing around 300 hp. You are one thing: completely ignorant, and your last question about what business sense has anything to do with sports cars shows it very clearly. It has everything to do with sports cars, just ask my friend who works for managemnt at toyota's corporate office in Los Angeles. It has a huge impact on so many levels, from performance, to development and production, to target market, to cost. I'd spell it out for you, but you're obviously a young kid, making statements like "as in for style, the supra blows the Z out of the water". Style is subjective, but you probably don't even know the meaning of the word. I'm not even going to continue because it's obviously a waste of my breathe, I can tell you have nothing going on upstairs. Yeah dude, Supras, 900 hp, really cool dude. go get one, and try to make it fly ok?

I'm glad you see it my way.

please don't escalate the situation any further than it has already gone, as for the supra owners here, give the guy some breathing room and we can have a conversation about two different cars and explain why we made our decisions in a peaceful manner.

Have a great day!

ok, I said my piece once before and I was hoping that things would be nice and peaceful. But now I'm just going to start being...well, me.

What the hell are you talking about? You are now trying to argue that that Nissan gave birth to a twin turbo setup? I'll give you a free lesson. IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE HAND!

*Takes a deep breathe*

The first twin turbo setup that EVER came out was applied on Deisel boats IN THE 50's AND 60's. You know those things that ship cars overseas. They've had it on there for years now. The first Twin turbo setup on a car came from ethier SAAB or Volvo, A EUROPEAN COMPANY. And while we're on the subject of who gave birth to what. Volvo gave birth to the majority if not all of the safety equipment that is in your Z car and the cars used today. Yeah they could have patented it and sold it exclusively for their cars and after about 3 years behind Nissan and Toyota and everyone else would come out with something that wouldn't compare to it. But they didn't have to, Volvo gave their ideas and technology to the world so they could sleep at night knowing that the people on the roads would be safe and secure. So the next time you want to argue history about who pioneered what, get some facts behind you.

And this thing about businees and marketing. It does have something to do with but not anything your thinking about. Who wants a supra or a Z car, the majority of the market that are in for these cars can't afford it. I have no idea how much your car went for brand new but I do know that when the first MKIV supra came out, it was 40 G's and that's the N/A model. The fact that this post is so old and you guys won't let it die just goes to show that you really have nothing better to do than argue useless points to try and prove something. I've had to write this whole thing with my feet up just so I won't get all the bullshit on my shoes.

You might take something aways from this novel I've written or you might not, ethier way I don't really care. And to repeat yet again, this is a SUPRA FORUM. Most of the people here I assume have their cars because they are happy with the way they look or the way they perform. Hope you guys can try having a peaceful conversation, cause my fingers are getting tired.

Have a great day!

Well, I'm certainly glad that this topic has been totally discussed. I think it's time to go on to another topic.

Next time, please keep the topic of your posts to your opinion about cars, and not about your opinion of other's opinions.

Also, don't resurrect old threads that are nothing but opinion gatherers. Adding to an old technology topic is somewhat ok (there is a limit), but this thread is nothing but flamebait.