10 Second Car (fastandfurious) What does it Take..??

Sorry for the corny referance, but i always wondered how much shit you'd have to do to say an eclipse, rx7, lancer, supra etc.. Or any other tuner car. Obviously the RWD's would have an advantage on the 1/4 mile, but still it's got to take alot to make a car run a 1/4 mile in 10 seconds. A Z06 with a supercharger would MAYBE run 10.50, that would be over 350hp and 400ftlbs there. Would the trick be nitrous?? You'd be spraying the whole time.

First off Fast and furious was a bullshit movie. A "tuner" car wont reach 10s from a spray. So forget that. Secondly 10s are low as hell, most track only cars. A TT Vette reaches like 8.95. And that is Huge displacement with 2 turbos on it.

The trick is a lot more then bolt ons and spray.

Sorry for the corny referance, but i always wondered how much shit you'd have to do to say an eclipse, rx7, lancer, supra etc.. Or any other tuner car. Obviously the RWD's would have an advantage on the 1/4 mile, but still it's got to take alot to make a car run a 1/4 mile in 10 seconds. A Z06 with a supercharger would MAYBE run 10.50, that would be over 350hp and 400ftlbs there. Would the trick be nitrous?? You'd be spraying the whole time.

Thousands of Dollars and Patience. WTF made you ask this question?

-Brian

Thousands of Dollars and Patience. WTF made you ask this question?

-Brian


hahahahahahaha, i'm with K_dog :biggrin: You need a lotta cash and then even more cash for when things don't go as planned and need redoing.

Lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

hahahahahahaha, i'm with K_dog :biggrin: You need a lotta cash and then even more cash for when things don't go as planned and need redoing.

And when you race, you break parts. And parts cost money. It's nature.

It's like if you jump off a roof, you're going to get hurt.

Thank god for Automobiles.:)

-Brian

It's like if you jump off a roof, you're going to get hurt.


Interesting....

Interesting....

It's called "Cause and Effect." There's a theory about it called the "Chaos" theory. You learn about it in physics.;)

-Brian

How do you get a car to run 10's???

Well you add horsepower with performance mods and strip down some weight (including your weight). :lol:

How do you get a car to run 10's???

Well you add horsepower with performance mods and strip down some weight (including your weight). :lol:

...or your girlfriends weight...;)

-brian

power= high boost >30psi, and or Nos big shot 200,head work(port, cam, gears, valves, springs)etc

Stregnth= crank, rods, pistons, headgasket, bore sleeve etc

traction= chassis, rollcage, suspension slicks

powertrain= strong tranny, cltuch, flywheel, preesure plate or auto...LSD diff, axles etc

weight= get rid of some, plexiglass, fiber glass, carbon fiber, titanuim aluminum etc

EMS= haltech, motec, hondata...etc... AND THE RIGHT TUNER.

WITH THESE PARTS IN THE RIGHT CAR WITH THE RIGHT DRIVER 10'S AND BELOW..PROVIDING THE BUDGET.

If you want to build a 10 sec car and your serious PM me.

...or your girlfriends weight...;)

-brian

Now why did I forget that? :iceslolan

An LS1, heads, cam, full bot ons, built rear, slicks, a good d-tune, and maybe a little juice..

[QUOTE=solaris=amazing]A Z06 with a supercharger would MAYBE run 10.50, that would be over 350hp and 400ftlbs there.QUOTE]

im sorry, but a ZO6 has more than that STOCK, you obviously need to do some serious research.

Sorry for the corny referance, but i always wondered how much shit you'd have to do to say an eclipse, rx7, lancer, supra etc.. Or any other tuner car. Obviously the RWD's would have an advantage on the 1/4 mile, but still it's got to take alot to make a car run a 1/4 mile in 10 seconds. A Z06 with a supercharger would MAYBE run 10.50, that would be over 350hp and 400ftlbs there. Would the trick be nitrous?? You'd be spraying the whole time.

We have/had a blown Z06 making 530 at the rear wheels, on the stock block... I dont think you'd want to spray and run boost on a stock block, so you might want some internal work done. LOTS of dyno tuning to run a safe a/f ratio, headwork (or fully/pre assembled heads), cam(s), valves (and springs). If you really want a 10 second car, buy a fox body, a 331 long block, tremec tranny with 4.10+ gears on a built rear, and spray it.

power= high boost >30psi, and or Nos big shot 200,head work(port, cam, gears, valves, springs)etc

You don't always need boost. Lots of big displacement muscle cars can hit 10's without it.

Torretto can tell you......

Seriously though, Ryan Woon is running 9.68@150 MPH on 37 psi of boost in a 98 TT Supra. Ask him, he'll tell you cash is probably the biggest factor for a 10 second car. What I want to know is, do you want a track car? And in that case, why just 10 seconds? Why not go for a 6 second funny car? Or do you want a 10 second grocery getter that is going to get you thousands of dollars in tickets? Why not just go with a moderately quick vehicle, make it faster than normal, and kick ass if someone wants to go. If you are racing people that keep running in the 10s....well, get ready to dump some cash into your motor.

I get asked by people everyday; "What do I need for a 10 second car?" And I'm like..well, I can tell you how to get a 12 second car, a 10 second car, a 6 second car, or whatever, and they always respond with, 10 seconds is all I need. Why is that? Their Neon probably got dusted by a Mustang, then they realize their car is trash, so they want to max it out. I don't know why you actually need a 10 second car, but if you really want to just smoke people on the streets, get a Chevelle with a blown 454, put a little work into it, and I'm sure you could be there.

The big answer everyone is going to give you is : cash. That is exactly what you need for a 10 second car.

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but what makes you think of a question like this? If you ask most people, 12-13 seconds is pretty fast, actually its damn fast. Only a few street legal cars are going to beat that, and if you are running in the 10s, you don't need to be on the street, thats just cheap as hell. If you are running for slips and bigtime cash, ya, 10 seconds might help ya, but not many people actually LIVE the F&F world, except for modifying their car like all the cars on the show.

I'm sorry for jumping at ya, not trying to attack, but all I hear all day long is 10 second this, 10 second that...just buy a 911 GT3 and get it over with...

Edit : A superbike might do the trick too.

Torretto can tell you......

Seriously though, Ryan Woon is running 9.68@150 MPH on 37 psi of boost in a 98 TT Supra. Ask him, he'll tell you cash is probably the biggest factor for a 10 second car. What I want to know is, do you want a track car? And in that case, why just 10 seconds? Why not go for a 6 second funny car? Or do you want a 10 second grocery getter that is going to get you thousands of dollars in tickets? Why not just go with a moderately quick vehicle, make it faster than normal, and kick ass if someone wants to go. If you are racing people that keep running in the 10s....well, get ready to dump some cash into your motor.

I get asked by people everyday; "What do I need for a 10 second car?" And I'm like..well, I can tell you how to get a 12 second car, a 10 second car, a 6 second car, or whatever, and they always respond with, 10 seconds is all I need. Why is that? Their Neon probably got dusted by a Mustang, then they realize their car is trash, so they want to max it out. I don't know why you actually need a 10 second car, but if you really want to just smoke people on the streets, get a Chevelle with a blown 454, put a little work into it, and I'm sure you could be there.

The big answer everyone is going to give you is : cash. That is exactly what you need for a 10 second car.

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but what makes you think of a question like this? If you ask most people, 12-13 seconds is pretty fast, actually its damn fast. Only a few street legal cars are going to beat that, and if you are running in the 10s, you don't need to be on the street, thats just cheap as hell. If you are running for slips and bigtime cash, ya, 10 seconds might help ya, but not many people actually LIVE the F&F world, except for modifying their car like all the cars on the show.

I'm sorry for jumping at ya, not trying to attack, but all I hear all day long is 10 second this, 10 second that...just buy a 911 GT3 and get it over with...

Edit : A superbike might do the trick too.

I dont know where you live, but around here in Maryland there are LOADS of 10-11 Second cars that people bring out every week. The club I'm has a number of 11 second 03/04 cobras, and a few 9-10 second f-bodies. My intentions arent to start a flame war, but I do have to disagree with you on several issues in your post above. Although speed does cost, money isnt always the issue, as there are many different kinds of setups that can range from decently cheap, to mega expensive. It also depends on the car that you have in mind. A 10 second FWD car WILL be expensive. But a small block ford / gm can get you to the 10-11 second range relatively easily. :biggrin:

Pretty much any sport bike with 750cc or more displacement will do it with a little work. Some will do it with nothing at all. A 600 can do it but will take a little more work.

You are going to need money and knowledge unless you just plan on having a shop build your car. You don't want a 10 second car on the street unless you like driving around on slicks which I wouldn't imagine would be too fun in the rain.

And a F&F 10 sec car takes a muffler, vinyls, stickers, rims, wing, and fake nitrous bottles. The supra in there didn't even run 11's. Don't forget to borrow your mom's laptop too!

Don't forget to borrow your mom's laptop too!

DANGER TO MANIFOLD
DANGER TO MANIFOLD
:P

Why do people aim for such low times?!?! I would be so incredibly happy with 12 second car. In fact it is almost the aim of my stang. Unless I Turbo it, then ill want a lil more.....
Ugh...going to need to do internals, but at least I got my laptop :)

i wouldn't be using NOS regulary if I didnt have the money for a engine rebuild, NOS=shorter engine life.
All these guys with NOS and actually use it are rich, ok?

want 10s!

get a rx3 and 13bt!

get a vl commodore with rb30/rb25head turbo!

get a 5L mustang and s/charge!

so many possibilities

Pretty much any sport bike with 750cc or more displacement will do it with a little work. Some will do it with nothing at all. A 600 can do it but will take a little more work.

You are going to need money and knowledge unless you just plan on having a shop build your car. You don't want a 10 second car on the street unless you like driving around on slicks which I wouldn't imagine would be too fun in the rain.

And a F&F 10 sec car takes a muffler, vinyls, stickers, rims, wing, and fake nitrous bottles. The supra in there didn't even run 11's. Don't forget to borrow your mom's laptop too!


that orange supra is actually making over 650whp. it might look gay with the decals but that car is a beast. i've seen a video of him takin out vipers and Z06's like nothing from a roll. also there were only two REAL 10 second cars in that movie. one was Sean Morris's yellow R33 GT-R. it runs high 10's. and the other is the black dodge charger which is also a 10 second car.

The Supra from F&F like TatII said, makes 650 HP, but it runs a 14.1 in the 1/4. It's top speed though is like...220+. As for cost, $75,000 in mods, and that's not including the cost of the car. Oh, if you're wondering where I got this information it was in an import tuner magazine or something.

The Supra from F&F like TatII said, makes 650 HP, but it runs a 14.1 in the 1/4. It's top speed though is like...220+. As for cost, $75,000 in mods, and that's not including the cost of the car. Oh, if you're wondering where I got this information it was in an import tuner magazine or something.
:rolleyes:

I hope you're kidding because if MY 650 hp Supra ONLY ran a 14.1, heads would roll. I don't care if it's geared for the Bonneville Salt flats, 650hp will propel you ino some much more competitive times. So I'm calling bs on that unless you show me PROOF.

The Supra from F&F like TatII said, makes 650 HP, but it runs a 14.1 in the 1/4. It's top speed though is like...220+. As for cost, $75,000 in mods, and that's not including the cost of the car. Oh, if you're wondering where I got this information it was in an import tuner magazine or something.

you must've confused that supra with the supra from 2 fast 2 furious. the one from the second movie run's a 14 flat because it was in such bad condition. i'm sure craig lieberman's supra ( the first one ) is a 11 second car.

Well, I have no proof except for an internet site I saw it on also. I'm just repeating though what I saw, if somebody else has a more accurate time, power to them and lets see it.

well you can have the laggiest turbo in the world to make 650whp and it would still atleast run 12's becasue your still making 650whp reguardless. sure if it has a broader power band then it would make a difference. but then it would run 11's so sayin it run's 1 second slower is already bad enough. the only other explaintion is that it cna't get traction so in order to run a 14.1 it should trap around 120+mph

where do you come up with this info? i read the articles about the 14s supra...thats just what happens when you take a beatiful car from factory and rice it out! where i am around some of the fastest prettiest supras money can buy everyday. and both those supras were silly. i guess at the time the hype about the first import movie made it not so bad but looking back now...they were disgusting.

BTW 650hp gives a higher mph aprx 140+/- depending on weight.

there is alot of muscle in this tread...i like the imput but you guys are saying its the way to go. its probably a little easier depending on the person and there background.

i know one easy wat to get 10.5 is a CRX...gutted...B20 block...B16 head...T4/67 turbo... 35+/-psi boost...hondata EMS...big slicks and good driver.

ive seen it more than once.

another example of cheap fast solution.

Sentra gutted ....Gti-r SR20DET RN-N14...T78 turbo 35 psi..haltec Ems and slicks.

you people forget the most important part of a "10 sec" car.. the stickers.. 50 sticker is greated then a 1000 shot of nawwss.. common people didnt you see 2f2f? o0o man.. get your tunning straight... sticker are the way to go..
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BTW 650hp gives a higher mph aprx 140+/- depending on weight.


do you have any idea what kind of E.T's you get from a 140mph pass? that is a high 10 second pass. so you mean to tell me that it only takes 650whp to get a supra in the 10's? yes weight does play a factor. but a hugh factor. along with drive train. a 500whp evo can run 10's and trap 140mph. however it would take much much more hp for a 3500lb car to reach that. since they have harder time gettin off the line due to lag from a large turbo. most of their E.T. are accomplished after the 8th mile. thats why imports always trap higher then a domestic. i know a guy ( who i really don't like ) he has a barricude with a 383 in it. he runs a 12.2 but only traps 108mph. his 0-60ft isn't even that great at 1.7 however for a import to run a similar time you they need to trap at 115 mphsih. 650hp might give you 140+ on a B13 or in a civic but no way in hell can it do that with a supra.

another example of cheap fast solution.

Sentra gutted ....Gti-r SR20DET RN-N14...T78 turbo 35 psi..haltec Ems and slicks.

Cheap, yes thats it, especially when you're snapping axles and God knows what else everytime you make a pass. A t78 turbo on a 2.0 motor?? Why so big? Bigger isnt always better if you dont have the displacement, unless you like having 1 or 2k rpms of usable power. What kind of tranny would you run with that? Trailor queen, or daily driver? A question of mine is why everyone wants to run so much boost with such big turbos on small motors. You'd be better off converting a sentra to rwd and using a quicker spooling hybrid t3/04 for all the money that you're talking about spending :eek7:, or simply buying a 240sx with some form of DET at the end..

...or your girlfriends weight...;)

-brian
Now why did I forget that? :iceslolan
she's the lowering kit, u gotta keep her beefed up and in the center of the car

ok...the t3t4 is good for regualr driving. for draging a big turbo is the way to go. lag is not that important in draging actually it can help with traction. when you launch a car with a big turbo with two step you already building boost and your in high rpm all the way down the track. when a big turbo hits big boost its a lot harder than a small one. that why you have to get stanmd alone ems and valavetrain to get rpms up to 10k or so. with a big turbo for a drag race car on a small displacement the misconception of "won't spool" isn't always true. if sized correctly for horsepower goals with rpm ...meaning trim, a/r...blade design etc. plus the fact that to make the same boost the big turbo has a lower shaft speed wich makes it more efficient. then if want it to spool faster just hit it with a shot of nos down low.

when was the last time you saw a 1.6...1.8....2.0 run sub 10s et. with a T3/T4? if so how many ...compared to those with T4E and bigger.

yes ...T78 the HKS and greddy kits for drag and high horse power for a 3SGTE 2.0 come with it.

about the supra ... yes you will see 140mph from 650hp Turbo supra. might get low 12 to low 11s depending on a lot ot variables..like chassis, traction etc

tranny for the sentra ...par dog set

I heard they make a Turbo kit for the older 5.0 stangs that's supposed to give ungodly horsepower gains, anyone else hear of it?

I once talked to an asian guy around here who opened up a bunch of restaurants and bought everyone in his family a Supra, we asked him how much horsepower he had. He said "750 HP." How? "biiiiiiig turrrbo"

belive it or not the supras make big horse power easy. big turbo. big fuel free exhaust with good ignition etc. 750 is easy....oh yea the rev limit raised could help too. all on stock internals!

power= high boost >30psi, and or Nos big shot 200,head work(port, cam, gears, valves, springs)etc

Stregnth= crank, rods, pistons, headgasket, bore sleeve etc

traction= chassis, rollcage, suspension slicks

powertrain= strong tranny, cltuch, flywheel, preesure plate or auto...LSD diff, axles etc

weight= get rid of some, plexiglass, fiber glass, carbon fiber, titanuim aluminum etc

EMS= haltech, motec, hondata...etc... AND THE RIGHT TUNER.

WITH THESE PARTS IN THE RIGHT CAR WITH THE RIGHT DRIVER 10'S AND BELOW..PROVIDING THE BUDGET.

If you want to build a 10 sec car and your serious PM me.

Greater than 30PSI? thats about what big rig turbos run... thats over 2 atmospheres...most cars cant handle any more than 18-14PSI of boost...your gonna need a hella good head gasket and piston rings to hold that much boost when the piston reaches TDC...and some hella high octane gas...like some C-16 or something...
to run a 10sec car takes some pretty low HP per LB ratios...and a good driver if its a manual...a 3000lb car would need in ups of 500-600HP... i beleives i have seen a Supra with 575HP run in the mid 10's..and ive seen an FC with 580HP run in the low 10's...ive seen streetable cars that run in the 9's...of corse they dont run the same boost and diff tires than on the track...and their idle is pretty rough...and i wouldnt take them on any out of town trip because of reliability.... shoot for 13's or 12's and you can keep it streetable...a friend of mine had a talon TSI that ran a best of 13.65 ET and he drove it to work everyday...but he only ran 10PSI of boost on street and 17.5 at the track... one of my good buddies has a CRX with an NA B18 with everything but internals (probably has about 200hp) that'll run in the 13's...with only a 50 shot of nitros...and i know a guy that has a Maxima with pretty basic upgrades that will run in the low 14's...but to brake out of 12's is pretty hard...especially for lower displacement cars...but hey id rather take a corner at high speed than go straight at high speed....

How much can you boost with head gasket, forged pistons and forged rods.? I'm only fifteen I dont know a whole lot about turbos but I wanna learn.

I heard they make a Turbo kit for the older 5.0 stangs that's supposed to give ungodly horsepower gains, anyone else hear of it?
turbomustangs.com

How much can you boost with head gasket, forged pistons and forged rods.? I'm only fifteen I dont know a whole lot about turbos but I wanna learn.

quite a bit but i wouldnt push 30PSI...25 at most...because if your going to change out all your internals your are obviously looking for strenth probably in racing...and though 30PSI wont hurt much in normal driving with forged pistons and rods and a good head gasket, but having the thing reved at 5000+ for munites on end will kill your engine with 30PSI of boost...

on stock internals i wouldnt go above 8 PSI in a 4 banger, no way 30 PSI would work. You would kill that engine so fast it would be insane. Not to mention you would need some massive fuel injectors, bigger fuel rails, better fuel pump, some kind of FMU, and after all that, as soon as he got into double digit boost numbers he would blow up. 30 PSI on any stock engine is an ungodly amount of boost thats surely will destroy the engine.

it also depends on what kind of engine it is. if its already turboed from the factory they can generally take 20+ psi of boost. the 4G63 found in the EVO already run's 19 psi stock. people can boost it up to 23 psi average. there are some dumb guys can boost it to 27psi but they over spun their turbo to reach that psi. so their engine out lasted their turbo making 27 psi of boost. lolz SR20DET can also outhandle their stock turbos. the general hp limit for a 4 cylinder turbo is 400 reliable hp. the general limit for a 6 cylinder turbo is 550hp. however a few can go higher such as 900-1000hp such as the supra's. the skylines can handle around 600-700hp.

i know one easy wat to get 10.5 is a CRX...gutted...B20 block...B16 head...T4/67 turbo... 35+/-psi boost...hondata EMS...big slicks and good driver.

ive seen it more than once.

another example of cheap fast solution.

Sentra gutted ....Gti-r SR20DET RN-N14...T78 turbo 35 psi..haltec Ems and slicks.

There is nothing cheap or easy about either of those

Why do people aim for such low times?!?! I would be so incredibly happy with 12 second car. In fact it is almost the aim of my stang. Unless I Turbo it, then ill want a lil more.....
Ugh...going to need to do internals, but at least I got my laptop :)

Hell I don't even have a "time" goal. I'm gonna build a fun, fully streetable engine that's tuned far on the side of safety and reliability, and see how fast that is. Likely a low 12, possibly an 11. Even going with a mid 12, I'll be extrememly happy and there will be very few other street cars I'll ever come across that are faster than that. You folks talking about building 9 and 10 second street cars need a dose of reality...

You folks talking about building 9 and 10 second street cars need a dose of reality...

Exactly.
Unless the car is track only, in that case whole 'nother story.

You can get in the 9s easy for 10K...Of course, that is if your a good driver, and you dont mind it being a Haybusa, not a car...

10 second car....a lot of money and patience. Fast and the Furious was a movie that made the import scene look like shit.

Exactly.
Unless the car is track only, in that case whole 'nother story.

I'll second that.

But most track cars you'll see are "bracket cars", so how fast they are doesn't mean anything (of course they have to make the break for their bracket).

I know most 1/8th mile tracks around here have 7.99 as the slowest you can go and still run Bracket 1, or whatever the bracket's name is for running electronic devices (two-steps, trans. brakes, delay boxes).

and you dont mind it being a Hayabusa, not a car...
Yea cause this is really my dream car, err bike. Those things hit high 10s stock. If i wasnt 17 and had cautious parents, I would get a haya over the stang.

By the way i read the article about the surpa from f&f2 along with the camaro. The surpa had over 600 hp to start with but with the abuse of the movie and all the miles it put on it lost alot of hp and had damage to it so it only ran a 14.1 or 2. They stated to begin with it was a incridble car fast as hell and did anything.

Yea cause this is really my dream car, err bike. Those things hit high 10s stock. If i wasnt 17 and had cautious parents, I would get a haya over the stang.

Damn straight...a good driver can get a stock Bussy to run mid to high nines all day long. God, thats like, obnoxious fast.

a stock Zo6 has over 350hp and your saying it may make 350 with a supercharger maybe i misunderstand you??!!!!! my best guess for a supercharged Zo6 to make is prob near 500hp idk... i dont know if anyone already made this point because i am too lazy to read all these posts..

a stock Zo6 has over 350hp and your saying it may make 350 with a supercharger maybe i misunderstand you??!!!!! my best guess for a supercharged Zo6 to make is prob near 500hp idk... i dont know if anyone already made this point because i am too lazy to read all these posts..



Supercharge is a general word, there are so many all giving different amounts of Hp gains

Supercharge is a general word, there are so many all giving different amounts of Hp gains


I think his point was zo6 corvettes have 405 hp stock.....so how could it have 350 hp supercharged?

I see.........



as u can see my chevy knowledge isnt huge

If you want big power out of turbos, read the flow ratings on them. The more a turbo will flow, the more power it will make. It doesn't matter how much psi you run if the turbo will only flow 35lbs. It is going to make 350hp and that is probably it. After that the turbo won't last too long.

u want speed bro

get ur hands on a Hayabusa

only then will u no the meaning of speed :smokin:

and the meaning of high insurance :).

Thats why im holding out till around 23-25 for my first two wheels of speed.

just buy my friends BMW M6 from him thats putting out well over 1200HP I think he said him and his dad has around 120K sunk into it and it's a late model car that his dad bought.

you want a 10 second car....get an enzo and put a lil nos and some slicks .....lol

hey zwrangler your camaro looks tight...keep up the good work. Now onto the subject. It also depends if you're going to tune it yourself or pay somebody...either way....you better be stackin' the cash