Here comes the draft.

This has been discussed here multiple times.

Since the democrats won't win the house, senate or presidency, there is not going to be a draft.

Oh? Some folks didn't know that it was democrats that proposed this bill? Well what do you know. You learn something new every day.













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I have two questions about the draft...

yogs, what democrats proposed this bill? i have not been keeping up on news about bringing back the draft.
taranaki, where do you live and can i move thier if the draft is re-instated? i do not care to fight a war i don't believe in

taranaki, where do you live and can i move thier if the draft is re-instated? i do not care to fight a war i don't believe in
Why don't you move their now, I'll pay for you to move to New Zealand. You can make cheese and sniff sheep farts all day long with Taranaki.

Why don't you move their now, I'll pay for you to move to New Zealand. You can make cheese and sniff sheep farts all day long with Taranaki.


Why should i move? this is america and i have the freedom to say whatever i want. Just because i don't support a war that in no way is making things better for us, doesn't mean i hate my country. So why don't you go join the army and go fight? that way i don't have to worry about a draft

Why should i move? this is america and i have the freedom to say whatever i want. Just because i don't support a war that in no way is making things better for us, doesn't mean i hate my country. So why don't you go join the army and go fight? that way i don't have to worry about a draft
I never denied your right to say anything, I simply said I would buy your ticket. Why are you so willing to fight for your right to spew something stupid out of your mouth, but ready to bug-out when a policy that forces you to fight for that right gets passed?
Wow, what a great American!! :nutkick:
BTW - I served 8 years in the Marine Corps, done my time...

If you don't 'volunteer', I believe you should get drafted, regardless of a war or not!! Every single American should learn some discipline and respect for at least 4 years. Then and only then will your sensitive little feelings about a war or any other international issue be taken into consideration...


Semper Fi

I have two questions about the draft...

yogs, what democrats proposed this bill? i have not been keeping up on news about bringing back the draft.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/

Rangel introduces bill to reinstate draft

The New York Democrat told reporters his goal is two-fold......


And an FYI - there is going to be no draft! Its a scare tactic used by some democrats in the same way they claim republicans want to dismantle social security (I really wish they did, but they don't).













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Every single American should learn some discipline and respect for at least 4 years.
The respect of forcing our ideals on other cultures! :)
Actually this being a free country, any choice is right so long as it's the choice you want to make and not one that was forced upon you.
Anyway the draft won't happen, because it's not needed, and secondly because we're not communists who don't believe in such frivolous ideas such as "freedom of choice".

If you don't 'volunteer', I believe you should get drafted, regardless of a war or not!! Every single American should learn some discipline and respect for at least 4 years. Then and only then will your sensitive little feelings about a war or any other international issue be taken into consideration...


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yes, take away someones rights forcefully to train them that they have to violently fight for rights they no longer have. fantastic idea.

and who was paying for tickets to NZ? id love to go there for a vacation sometime. if your willing to pay my way there, ill find a way back.

oh wait, your bluffing.

you don't think you have rights in the military?? well, I guess if you're that ignorant, you're not cut out for it anyway...you'd only end up getting others injured or killed.

you don't think you have rights in the military?? well, I guess if you're that ignorant, you're not cut out for it anyway...you'd only end up getting others injured or killed.


yeah you got rights. the right to follow orders or face a court martial.

not every one wants to fight. when it comes to discipline if your parents do a good enough job then you won't need a drill sargent to beat you into place.

so i gotta ask you served your time?

yeah you got rights. the right to follow orders or face a court martial.

not every one wants to fight. when it comes to discipline if your parents do a good enough job then you won't need a drill sargent to beat you into place.

so i gotta ask you served your time?


yes and I have done nothing but benefit from my experiences, whether I wanted to go to war or not is irregardless...I followed my Commander in chiefs' orders w/o question, and I would do it all over again if possible, or asked of me.

yes and I have done nothing but benefit from my experiences, whether I wanted to go to war or not is irregardless...I followed my Commander in chiefs' orders w/o question, and I would do it all over again if possible, or asked of me.


bah bah little sheep. what works for you won't nessisarly work for every one. in fact many people would take offence to being forced into that situation. guns and bombs are not the way to fight. in fact it is down right cowardice. the fact that you can take many lives without effort is bullshit. there is no real skill in droping a bomb or even firing an automatic weapon and clearing out a crowd of people.

america bitches and preaches about other countries have nukes and biological weapons. yet they still sit on the largest stock in the world. plus to my knowlegde they are the only one to use them on another country. maybe they should set an example for the rest of the world.

Gettin' a little off topic folks?

You know what, you're absolutely right driftu. In fact we as Americans should have just flown to the Muslim extremists, stood out on the streets, and tried to reason with them with words. Oh it's not like they hate all Christians or anything and would try to kill us on sight. If fighting a war is so easy than why do our highly trained soldiers keep dying? Are you implying that soldiers nowadays stand in formation and get mowed down by automatic gunfire, cause i thought they tried to use battlefield tactics to hide from fire? Come to the midwestern states, you'll find most people around here would fight to the death if they were asked; although lets hope it never comes to that. Anyway the fact that you think going to war with a group of people that will kill anyone who doesn't believe the same things they do is cowardice, why dont you spend a few weeks over in the middle east? That could change your mind.

I think I feel my brain imploding...

Please if you're going to post in this thread post along the lines of something that has to do with the original topic! Otherwise the thread will be closed. Also try and make posts that make sense.

how can anyone look at the draft as favorable thing? lets just take away my right to choose and force me to fight in what i don't believe in. I do not believe in war and do not believe in fighting for something i don't believe in. Oh and i don't need the military to give me discipline or respect, thats what my parents taught me. One more thing how is does this war have anything to do with my freedom of speech? what where the iraqis going to come over here and silence me?

yogs thanks for the info. your right there isn't going to be a draft.

You know what, you're absolutely right driftu. In fact we as Americans should have just flown to the Muslim extremists, stood out on the streets, and tried to reason with them with words.

what business do we have there anyway. maybe just maybe it has been years of shit and abuse that lead them to hate us. if america would stay in their own country i don't think their would be much of a problem.but since they think they can police the world that won't happen.

Oh it's not like they hate all Christians or anything and would try to kill us on sight.

i never hear anything about this being a religious war. last i checked it was a war that was ment to improve the standerd of living in iraq. no sign of that so far. never heard of the kidnappings before america invaded either.

If fighting a war is so easy than why do our highly trained soldiers keep dying?

never said it was easy. i said it required no skill. there is a difference. they die because they can't everyone and the iraqis are hiding in the crowds with bombs. indesriminate killers it isn't right but is the only way they can fight back.

Are you implying that soldiers nowadays stand in formation and get mowed down by automatic gunfire, cause i thought they tried to use battlefield tactics to hide from fire?

nope i am saying you fire a assult rifle in a city you are going to hit more then just your target.

Come to the midwestern states, you'll find most people around here would fight to the death if they were asked; although lets hope it never comes to that.

glad to hear since they want to go if asked and i don't there shouldn't be a problem.
i agree with the lets hope it never comes to that.

Anyway the fact that you think going to war with a group of people that will kill anyone who doesn't believe the same things they do is cowardice,

who are these people you speak of. this a war over land and freedom. the fact that the opponents this time are islam means nothing. it's not like we waged war on buddists in korea.

why dont you spend a few weeks over in the middle east? That could change your mind.

i know better then to be where i am not wanted.


sorry twostroke. i am done now.

Draft's not going to happen. There is no need for it. Stop trying to bring it up.

never heard of the kidnappings before america invaded either.You're absolutely right. Americans were not being kidnapped in Iraq because there weren't very many in Iraq now were there. I do however remember some videos that I saw of Iraqis being kidnapped off the streets only to be raped and killed. For me thats enough reason to go to Iraq, but thats only because I believe in stopping senseless torture.

I do however remember some videos that I saw of Iraqis being kidnapped off the streets only to be raped and killed.
You know that does happen in the U.S. - why not solve our problems first?
Nevermind, now I'm the one who's getting off topic.

You know that does happen in the U.S. - why not solve our problems first?
Nevermind, now I'm the one who's getting off topic.you're right it does doesn't it, however whats different between the kidnappings in the US and the ones that happened in Iraq are that we try to hunt down our kidnappers. The ones in Iraq were state sanctioned.

This is true, but Iraq is hardly the world leader in government ordered kidnappings either.

true, but I havn't heard of another country who's leaders kidnapped people off of the street solely for their own sick enjoyment. Most government sanctioned kidnappings have a motive behind them other than the fact that the kidnapper enjoys raping women.

i hope i don't get hit by the draft

i hope i don't get hit by the draft
There will not be a draft!!!!!! There is no need!!!!!! Get over it already!!!!!!

There better not be, because if I get drafted, I'll go to an American prison before I go to an Iraqi prison.

There will not be a draft!!!!!! There is no need!!!!!! Get over it already!!!!!!


Glad you think so,but I'd rather not take the word of a 17 year old kid with a bad atitude as gospel,thanks.

There will not be a draft!!!!!! There is no need!!!!!! Get over it already!!!!!!
I was joking. I'm in the air force.

I would also like to add that I seriously doubt that there is going to be a draft any time soon. In the AF today there is a program called "force shaping" which is basicly a ticket to back out of your contract if you decide you don't like the military any more. Many of my friends have taken that route and have since gotten out. The whole process only takes a few months.

There's some fuel for the fire. Although I i'm not sure about the other branches of the service, the AF certainly does not need or want more people.

you don't think you have rights in the military?? well, I guess if you're that ignorant, you're not cut out for it anyway...you'd only end up getting others injured or killed.

its way passed relevent, but i cant let a personal attack go unanswered.

you ARE NOT garuenteed personal rights in the military. you sign yourself over to the government and legally become the governments property to do with as they please.

sorry if that doesnt appeal to me. niether does blindly following orders. the idea that i have to be under some stickupmyass commander to learn respect and discipline is just ridiculous. im quite capable of picking those things up for myself, thank you very much.

I wont even bother to reply to "being cut out for it" or "ignorant" claims, because i refuse to sound like im making baseless claims about my abilities. though if your interested, ill be more than happy to fax you a copy of the results from that apptitude test the marine recruiter gave me in highschool.

draft or no draft...military or not....you are still "under some stickupmyass commander" (your opinion, not mine)!

and for arguments sake, name some personal rights that you have in college that you don't have in the military?

Your aptitude test says nothing of your character...

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