No one likes mustangs, why?

i dunno

how could you? they are ugly and slow, not to mention the blue oval badge on them

The only ones I like are the Saleens:cool:

Right...give me a 2001 Saleen Mustang Supercharged S281, then we would see who is slow bich... :flipa:

Every preppy bitch who thinks she is the shizzit drives around in a Mustang (v6). I now have a negative feeling assiciated with them. Every loser who has only lasted 1 year at my college drove a Mustang GT. I know a guy who works at a ford dealership here in town while he's in school. He said he will never buy any ford car ever again. He sais their trucks rock, but their cars are a piece. He says countless cars have come back (and LOTS of mustangs) after only a week on the road with huge problems.

they arent bad cars they look really good actually

They look great.... but I think they are mechanically inferior.

cuz Mustangs are teh suXX0rf

Originally posted by Pikachoo
They look great.... but I think they are mechanically inferior.

actually, they are build ass backwards, but they are quite strong mech wise. Some engines trannys etc have flaws like with all manafctures. The early 90's t-bird with the v-6 had bad head gaskets. The mustangs with the 2,4 had NO power. But the 5.0 can have up to 450hp/torque with bolt on's, chevy guys argue their 350's can do more, but the cars with the 350's weigh more than stangs. Infact, the new mustang gt's run 13's now. A saleen adds a supercharger to this, which is very kick ass. But the point being, mustangs are -not- slow, some were, but i've seen 18 second cameros, and certain year (forget which now) vettes were pigs, underpowered becasuse of smog and gas problems.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity


actually, they are build ass backwards, but they are quite strong mech wise. Some engines trannys etc have flaws like with all manafctures. The early 90's t-bird with the v-6 had bad head gaskets. The mustangs with the 2,4 had NO power. But the 5.0 can have up to 450hp/torque with bolt on's, chevy guys argue their 350's can do more, but the cars with the 350's weigh more than stangs. Infact, the new mustang gt's run 13's now. A saleen adds a supercharger to this, which is very kick ass. But the point being, mustangs are -not- slow, some were, but i've seen 18 second cameros, and certain year (forget which now) vettes were pigs, underpowered becasuse of smog and gas problems.


haha TV your post made no sense... it had little to do with what he said.

hahahah you're a silly guy, when did you see a 18 second Camaro? If you say at the Ventura/Camarillo street races im going to pee myself laughing. i really hope you dont, cause i dont want to get up right now.

ahh im just messing with ya.... sorta ;)

you're thinking of the late 70s vettes like the 75-79s they made little horsepower. Like in the low 200's, but now you can pick them up for cheap, drop in a NEW vette motor, pass smog like no other and be a sleeper.


anywho Saleens are cool, i'd almost call them they're own car, not a Mustang. Especially the Saleen SR.

I like the 88-93 mustangs and 94-98 mustangs. Thats about the only car i like from Ford.

I like the 64-68 Fastbacks, and I like the new concept Mustang.

I like the 64-68 Fastbacks, and I like the new concept Mustang.

The Fastback and boss where bad cars and the concept is looking good too. I can't wait.:D

I can't wait.
Planing on buying one or something Steve?

No, but I like how it is looking right now and can't wait until it comes out. I really wait to see what it can do.

It can probably break down all the time, thats what it will do.

You know that your in the wrong Forum to be doging stangs like that.:finger4:

Yeah, thats why this is my last post. I don't need to waist my time.

good, stupid ass.:rolleyes:

what chall know about the 2005 stang!!!



mustangs certinly fell off when they had the 4.6 (wtf is a 4.6) in the gt's

5.0's were cool

mustangs have cheesy interiors!!!

Jesus Christ u guys know shit. A stang is a beautiful car lots of people dont like em because they are so common on the streets at least the v6's are here in oklahoma. It has lots of power (at least the gt's and beyond) but they run low quarters stock because they weigh so much (damn near 4000 lbs i believe) but everyone knows ud better have something serious under ur hood before u challenge one on the streets. All u need to do is invest in weight reduction and traction and the mustang is the shits...v6 is a poser car. Much like gay hondas with exhaust.

I tihnk the reason many don't like Mustangs has nothing to do with performance... Sadly, most people to day buy their cars for looks, not caring about 0-60 or 1/4 mile times. And the Mustang hasn;'t been a very nice car since... ever. I tihnk the 2005 GT could be a savior and deliver that retro look that many love, along with some HP. What I like about these cars is that they are about as close to American Muscle as you will get these days, whether they are ugly or not. If I was choosing between the new GTO and the 2005 Stang, I take the GTO.

And BTW, I am sick of people talking about the Mustang is a great car with modifications. A true great car needs no modifications...

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN
And BTW, I am sick of people talking about the Mustang is a great car with modifications. A true great car needs no modifications...

I think a great car is specifically detuned so that you can get 'em with cheap insurance, but are designed to be cheaply modded so that they are fun to drive...

what is this about the mustang being slow, ugly, piece of crap with an outdated interior.

Slow: lets see if all mustangs are slow, well then all corvettes are really slow. the 03 cobra will beat a stock vette for alot less money. You reply with the Z06, I reply with a $20k savings with .1 difference in the 1/4 mile. HMMMMM makes you wonder who has the real technology, The nearly $60k vette or the $35k car that is the same speed as the vette. For less than $3k invested in a 03 cobra it will blow the doors off of a Z06!! Oh and to the person that laughed when someone said that they saw a camaro run an 18, well i believe it. i had a friend that had a 1995 or 1996 Z@* that he put a stainless Borla catback, and Jba Headers, and the car barely broke 200whp on the dyno. We thought something was up until Dennis Lugo said that it was common, and that these cars dont make much power until heavily modded..

Ugly. Ok this is an opinion based objective. Have you seen the F-body, if you painted it yellow, with black dots it would look like a wedge of cheese driving down the road, And have you seen the body gaps on those cars, you almost dont need to open the door to get in. And to the dumbass with the GTP, have you noticed what your car looks like, BTW we should not be listening to someone who has a picture of a car with graphics of a naked lady, can we say fast and the furious.

Now i am getting mad.

Piece of crap: Ok, my brother had a 99 ws6 that was a complete heap, it was always in the shop for repairs, and he didnt drive it hard at all, and it had less than 20k miles after 2 1/2 years of owning it. I am not going to judge all cars though on this one experience though, I had a mitsubishi eclipse that was lemon lawed, does that mean all Eclipses are crap? NO. Fine some mustangs break down, but some of all cars break down. If you actually look at the #s the mustang is considered very reliable.

Interior: OK, it isoutdated, but it works, and it is getting updated. But atleast the motor is not outdated like some (pontiac 3.8 supercharged)
and to the f-body people, it may not be the coolest interior, but it is way better than the f-bodies. It may not compare to the interior of an import, but no american cars do. At least the mustnag has a functional rear seat, and a trunk that does something other than fill up with water(like a camaro)

so i disagree with the 12 year old that says mustangs suck b/c his big brother drives something else. It is not the fstest car, best handling, or most luxurious, but it is way better than most, and is definately the best for the monay.

LOL, this thread is filled with the most ridiculous information on the planet.

It's so general that it's hard to address the issues.

First off, the import guys love talking about how unreliable the Mustang is, but what they don't realize is the Mustang has a 4-5 star reliability record since the late 80s.

The old Muscle Car geeks chime in with the Mustang is slow, yet the GT's will consistantly pound nearly every "muscle car" into the ground for acceleration/handling/braking since the mid 1980s. How fast were the old Muscle cars? Most couldn't get out of the 15s, sorry to hit you big block fans with reality here. The 68 396SS Camaro was a mid 15 car for cryin out loud. I happen to have one of the RARE big blocks that produced actual power back in the olden days. The 1963 Ford 427FE Low Riser with the dual quad setup on it. It would actually propel the big Ford's to mid 13s with traction. My dad raced it for years trapping 100mph in a 63 XL Vert that weighed about 5000lbs. My engine is an extreme exception to the rule. Not to mention these superb Muscle Car engines were only fresh for 30,000 miles, and needed a full rebuild at 70,000. Wake up, the new family cars are faster than most of the old Muscle Cars.

The Mustang isn't a very nice car.... compared to? A pos Integra, maybe a Camry? Please, these stereotypes based on the 1987 GT compared to the 03 Accord and stuff make me laugh hysterically. The Mustang's competition has been thoroughly annihilated because it's such a good car for the money. I'm not a fan of the plastic door panels on my 2002 GT. I'm not sure how to address the "modern" look it's missing. It's got a look with heritage to it. While everybody is out there trying to make a better spaceship interior with retro throwback hints, the Mustang has remained useable and straightforward.

Here's what I got for $21,500 new. 2002 Mustang GT Deluxe Coupe. 4.6L 281ci SOHC V-8 with MPFI making 260hp@5250, and 302lb/ft@4000rpm. 3230lb curb weight. Leather interior with power driver seat. Rear spoiler. 17" aluminum wheels with 245/45ZR17" Eagles (hate the cheapy tires), Mach 460 (460 watt) sound system, 6 disc in dash CD changer, GT appearance package, fold through rear seats, power windows/locks/steering/brakes/mirrors/remote trunk release, keyless entry, TR3650 5spd manual, 8.8" limited slip differential, traction control, 4 wheel disc brakes with 4 wheel ABS. Performance 0-60 5.5sec 1/4mile 14.0@100mph. Excuse me if I think that's a friggen hell of a deal compared to what else is out there.

The Mustang weighing in at 4000lbs is the best though. The V6 is 3000lbs, the GT is 3230lbs, the Mach 1 is 3250lbs, the Cobra is 3650lbs, all weights are manual hard top. Add 50lbs for auto tranny, and 200-300lbs for a convertable.

The F body guys still talk crap, even though they're slower than the Mach 1, and the Cobra, they just refuse to admit reality the almighty LS1 has been de-throwned, and the f body discontinued.

The guys with the almighty 350 chevy, they're mostly made up of idiots who believe a giant cam in a 1970s 350 will give you 400hp. They still live in 1970, where the 350 was a respectable engine without extensive modification.

I agree with Unit 5302.

I LOVE mustangs! They are awesomeand definitely not slow. Ford has made some fast mustangs ( '03 cobra,'00 cobra r) and saleen has made some fast mustangs (s-381, saleen sr). They are all sweet.

I agree totally with REAL PERFORMANCE!!! Stock for sock the cobra is just as fast as the Z06. Mustnags are far from slow! With $3000 invested cobras blow the doors off Z06s and vipers and are flirting with the lambo!:bigthumb:
It's pretty amazing that you only spend $35000 on a cobra compared to the 280k in the lambo, the 51k in the Z06, and the 80k in the viper!

Man i love guys that say a ford sucks and say i got a friend that works at a ford dealership and says they are pieces of s&*$. Just to give you a clue everyone that works at any dealership will tell you about all the bad things otherwise why would the car be in the shop. Besides that the person that owns the car does not know the first thing about a car. Mustangs are great cars and the only one that sounds like a real v8 stock. OH yea i drive a 94 integra gsr.

mustangs are awsome cars for their price


and they dont break down easly

Mustangs aren't bad cars.

However, everyone has one. I'm more about being unique. Same deal with Civic Nation. Everyone has one. This is the first reason why I passed up both of these cars.

Take a unique car, and put even more unique items on it. Then you're styling.

Saleen Mustang does not make you styling. Just makes you a bit more rich then everyone else. It's not your own style. You have no imagination.

u know people love mustangs thats why they were the origanol pony car and also why its the only one left, the mustang was always a great car for the money, granted i am a ford lover grow up wit em, still am i'm a sophmore at Lake George high school in upstate ny and i jus gfot a 69 project for 2000 with a 390 big block, but anyway, the mustang has always been a great car, have u been in a new corvette once u hit bout 95 MPH the thing feels so disconnected from the road, u can easily hit 115 with no problems in a mustang, and dont even compare the corvette to the mustang becuase back in the day it was against the t-bird not the mustang. but the mustang has always had nice lines and always a nice engine, even the 6's would pull for econemy cars, but the real answer why do people hate mustangs? they dont, they jus cant cope with the fact that its one of the nicest cars ever made and it survived longer than the camaro (the origanol mustang rival) and its great value

Just a simple camparo to spark a fire....
350Z vs. '03 svt cobra, GT, and V6:

Cd (coefficient of drag):
svt/GT: .36 .33(V6...HA)
Z: .26

Z wins

Weight (lbs):
SVT: 3665 V6: 3115 GT: 3280 (lot lighter then I thought for V6 and GT)
Z:3225

Z wins over SVT.

Weight dist (Front,Rear):
SVT: 57,43 V6: 55,45 GT: wasn't on the site...don't feel like digging.
Z: 53,47

Z wins

Price (USD):
SVT: $35,000 GT: ?? V6: "From" $16,000
Z: $26,269

Z beats SVT

HP/TQ (ft/lb):
SVT: 390/390 GT: 260/302 V6: 193/220
Z: 287/274

Z beats GT and V6...SVT's kinda not fair...give ME a supercharger...

Specific output (hp/liter):
SVT: 84.8 GT: 56.5 V6: 50.8
Z: 82

SVT inches out Z...pretty pathetic for a supercharged V8 vs. a NA V6.

70mph-0 Braking (Ft.):
SVT: 182 GT: 184
Z: 164

Z THUMPS SVT.

0-60mph (sec):
SVT: 4.5 GT: 6
Z: 5.4

Finally...something the SVT wins at.

Lateral acceleration (G):
SVT: .90 GT: .82 (bleh) V6: Acceleration???
Z: .90

Tied. Ford FINALLY realized that a live rear axle is bad road holding during cornering.

Looking at the above, you can clearly see that, even the high end SVT Cobra isn't anything special. Especially for the money. If you modded the Z a little to make it a little more "even" (like giving IT a supercharger or some other forced induction), the SVT would be even further dominated. As far as looks go, I think the Mustang is ugly as all sin. Plus, you see it EVERYWHERE...damn cars are like bacteria...they're all over the place. We aren't going to go to far into the looks or head turning abilites of the 2 cars because it's too subjective, nor am I going to go into the potential of the 2 cars because this is already a REALLY long post. However, I'm sure most people would agree that the head turning ability of the Z is FAR greater then just another mustang.

All this without even comparing the mustangs to the Z32TT (see my sig). If you want a real whippin, we'll do that some day...

All stats off www.jbcarpages.com.

Long Live The Z

Your forgot 1/4 mile time????? There the Cobra would kill the 350Z. The Cobra also was designed for an all out straight line racer. Also saying that if the Z were modded it would beat the Cobra. Well the Cobra isn't modded so why should it matter if the Z isn't. the solid rear axle was in deed not designed for road racing, that's why it went into the Cobra, cause the Cobra was not designed as a road course car. I'm not dogging the Z, I actually like the car. Just showing that everyone is intittled to thei own opinions. Just as you "hate fords" as so put it before.

True true. Couldn't agree more...and you don't even know how much I appreciate people that can just argue a point like you just did without getting offended.

Woops...I did leave that out.

1/4 mile
SVT: 13 sec
Z: 14 sec

The Cobra wins.

You're right though. It was designed as a straight line car.

However...concerning the "if the Z were modded" statement, the SVT is modded. That's all the SVT, Rousche [sp.], Saleen, and Shelby stuff is....modded Mustangs (or focus' in the case of the SVT focus...). I must say...Ford did something very smart with their cars...they disclose all the technical information about their cars to the aftermarket corporations so that better aftermarket parts can be produced. Brilliant idea. Nissan is starting to do the same thing with Nismo. You can have the Nismo stuff installed by the factory without voiding your warranty. Another example of Nissan following suit: Wait until the SMZ 350Z comes out. That is a very close comparison.

Actually, the SVT Cobra is the ONLY mustang with independant rear suspention.

Dollar for dollar, whether it be straight line, road course, or whatever, the Z will win just about every even match up with a mustang. The Z is a far superior car.

I think just because there are ALOT of mustangs out there on the road that it gets old seeing them but i like the Cobra SVT and the Saleen mustang, i think thos two cars are the only reason i still kind of like mustangs. http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:3gRGpgCMP-MC:www.nzmustang.com/Buysell/cobra02A.JPG

Actually, the SVT Cobra is the ONLY mustang with independant rear suspention.
Yes, but I believe the sold rear axle went back into the 03 Cobra.

About the SVT being modded. The motor found in there is a different motor then offered in a normal GT, plus everything done was specifically designed for the Cobra straight from the factory and doesn't void any factory warranties. So I would still consider that to be stock. I still don't agree that the Z wins hands down everytime, but hey that's your opinion, and your entitled to it. I'm just a Ford guy before I'm Nissan guy. Ya know what I mean?

I like the Cobra and Saleen BETTER then the regular ones...but that's still not saying much.

The '03 SVT Cobra has the Independant rear. I believe it's the only mustang, even of the SVT series, that has it.

Don't get me wrong...I don't dislike them because they're everywhere, but it does play a part in it. I don't like them at all because they are extrememly inferior cars in so many ways....the real cherry on top is they get WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much credit and attention.

I know what you mean, but the Cobra *IS* in reality, just a modded mustang. Ford supplies these aftermarket companies (which is pretty much all they are) with the stock cars for upgrading...just like the Z and Nismo...Nismo replaces the stock parts, either from the factory or when/if you bring it back. All the SVT people do is modify the stock cars. As far as the SVT having a different engine...the stock engine is a SOHC in the V8 with 2 valves per cylinder. The SVT has DOHC with 4 valves per cylinder. It would make more sense to me if they just changed out the valvetrain instead of changing the WHOLE engine.

There's more to it then just 2 valves to 4 valves. I'm not sure of the entire specs, but I know it gets more involved then that. The IRS started in the Cobra's in 99. I could be wrong about the 03, but I though it was a live axle and not IRS. Again I don't remember, I'm also pretty drunk so that doesn't help either. LOL

OOO no Mr. Mustang Mod you are wrong!!!!!!lol The 03' Cobra's have IRS the 99 and 01 Cobra have 28 spline IRS while the 03 Cobra got treated to a 33-spline IRS to help deal with that S/C beast.

Next there is a total differences between SVT and Saleen. Comparing Nismo to SVT is totally wrong too. A Cobra is just a modded Mustang... please then a ZO6 is just a modded Corvette, the early 90's 300ZXTT are just modded 300ZX etc..,

Also Ford does not openly disclose there info on thier cars. Hell one of the biggest gripes aftermarket chip companies have is Ford's lack of sharing. All your chips and computers for Mustangs have been reverse-engineered(legally hacked)

Ok, I'm wrong! Thanks for making feel like shit. I knew there was something different about the axles though, which you just stated. Why do I remember something about Ford going with a live axle then, is it talked about for future Cobra's?

Hmmmmm I dunno maybe??? I know a lot of people with 99 and 01 Cobras have ditched thier IRS for Live axles because just one simple power adder like Nitrous or a S/C and DR will kill those IRS. And most of the fastest 03 Cobras all have switch to live axles also.

OOO no Mr. Mustang Mod you are wrong!!!!!!lol The 03' Cobra's have IRS the 99 and 01 Cobra have 28 spline IRS while the 03 Cobra got treated to a 33-spline IRS to help deal with that S/C beast.

ha......for a second I thought you were talking to me with that part.

Next there is a total differences between SVT and Saleen.

Kinda.......you wouldn't have said that had you not missed my point. My point is that SVT, Saleen, Rousche, and companies like that change the cars...they modify them...the make them better....they improve them....get me? :uhoh: That's what I mean.

Comparing Nismo to SVT is totally wrong too.

Ehh....no....?? SVT is a branch of Ford that makes parts to modify mustangs (and other shit)....Nismo is a branch of Nissan that makes parts to modify Z's (and other shit)....what's so wrong about that? Pretty cut and dry...no real interpretation needed....

A Cobra is just a modded Mustang... please then a ZO6 is just a modded Corvette, the early 90's 300ZXTT are just modded 300ZX etc..,

Sure...a Cobra is a modified mustang....it's a modded GT. They have their regular line, the V6 and the GT (convertable and hard top, blah blah blah) with a couple other little special things (special edition GTs, mach 1, etc.), then they have the Cobra...MODIFIED with a diff (at least the top half of the) engine, diff tranny, diff rear end, etc.

The Z06 is much like the Cobra...They have their regular line, the regular Vette, convertable, etc, then the Z06 (correct me if I'm wrong) has a diff engine, diff suspention, etc, just like the cobra. Same kinda deal.

The ZX and ZXTT are majorly the same damn car (like the V6 and GT and the Vette and Z06). You have the base NA, then the TT (just like the V6 mustang, then the GT), then your modded model, the SMZ in 1995 which was a SCREAMER. Using your thought processes, the SMZ is "just another Z" which it was DEFINATELY NOT. It was completly MODIFIED (by Steve Millen of Stillen)...hey....kinda like the mustang is MODIFIED to make the Cobra.

In goes the ZXTT...out comes the SMZ...in goes the GT....out comes the Cobra....in goes the Vette....out comes the Z06....

Also Ford does not openly disclose there info on thier cars. Hell one of the biggest gripes aftermarket chip companies have is Ford's lack of sharing. All your chips and computers for Mustangs have been reverse-engineered(legally hacked)

Sorry....about that......I was too vague. When I said "aftermarket companies" earlier, I meant SVT. They do disclose all of their information. The sentence about the gripes just proves what I'm saying. If they gave all of their stuff to outside companies, then they'd be killing their OWN aftermarket company, SVT. Same thing with Nismo. These companies (SVT, Nismo, TRD for Toyotas, etc) are the auto makers trying to get their peice of the aftermarket mod pie. They are starting in house aftermarket manufacturers in an effort to get the money that would be spent outside of the parent company on mods. Keep an eye out for either a Nismo Z or the new SMZ. I know the SMZ is coming because I've seen it in magazines....the Nismo Z just wouldn't surprise me....the Nismo Z and the SMZ are the EXACT SAME IDEA as the SVT and Z06. They are normal, showroom cars that have been modded in house and THAT would be the perfect comparison. The new SMZ vs the SVT. Both modded...both modded IN HOUSE, FROM THE FACTORY...both supercharged (I got a V6 but I bet I'll still win...... :biggrin:), and both in the same price range.

Sorry so long winded....I'm sooooooooo tired. I'll clarify later if you'd like me too....sorry guys.... :banghead:

I can think of a few reasons
A. Ford=Fix or repair daily/Found on road dead
B. Chevy/Dodge guys think that way
C. Preferance
D. Not a "Ricer" vehicle
E. Looks? the new ones I think are nice but the older ones until you get to the 67 fastback arent that great
F. Money

im cheeched

Ehhh.........wtf?

Oh No No No No No No No. How Could You Say That. Mustangs Are The Best Out Their For Their Price. Yes The Gt Is Ok And V6 Has Nothing To It Unless Fixed Up. You Still Got The Roush, Steeda, Cobra, Saleen, And Mach 1. Think Before You Speak.

V6...blows nut....V8...blows nut (expecially for a V8...not even DOHC....)

Cobra, Saleen, and Mach 1....Cobras are pretty expensive...Cobra MSRP: $35,200 (ford website). You can get a hell of a lot better car then a damn Mustang for that much. Mach 1 is kinda cheap but nothing really special 0-60...5.2 0-60 (http://www.fast-autos.net/ford/03fordmach1.html[/QUOTE]]source ([QUOTE))...we won't mention any other specs for it cuz it's lame. Saleens are REAAAAAAAAAAAALLY expensive....anywhere from $36,629 for the bottom of the line, base model S281 which isn't exceptionally fast to $175,000 for the SR. I'll be damned if I buy a $175,000 mustang. Don't even bring up the S7, either...it's not a mustang at all and....$400,000....yea right. All Saleen specs and prices off the Saleen official site.

Steeda, Roush...meh...Don't feel like looking for specs any more.

My point...Mustangs are lame...even for the money.

ok you made your point...


now LEAVE

Ok. Bye.

ok bye :biggrin:

Mustangs are like tapons.......
Every pussy has to have one!!!!

why are you bringing up old posts??

Good point, and its in a sub mustang forum not many of us visit. Good night!