It runs again! :) (56k warning **pics**)

well guys, last weekend i was fuckin around and i had a boost spike of 27psi... the vacuum hose blew off the wastegate on my 16g and right when i saw the gauge at 27psi, i looked over at the AFC and saw knock so i let off, well it wasnt soon enough... the rod bearings spun, every one of them :banghead: plus i was getting blow by and it was pissing me off cause everytime i got on it i could here the dip stick hit the hood... :grinno: well i decided to rebuild the 6 bolt motor just for fun with a different crank and rods (from spare motor)... pulled the motor monday night / tuesday morning at 3am, everything out by 7am when the parts store opened. got new bearings, rings, and all new gaskets for $173.25 (i got a really good deal, thats another reason i did it) and my buddy and i went to work on it, disassembled it and washed every fuckin part in hot soapy water and blew it off with the air compressor, wiped everything down with tranny fluid and started reassembly by 11am... everything went together good and had the short block assembled by 2pm (i even painted the block cast aluminum... looks kinda cool :lol2:). then on went the head, intake manifold, exhaust manifold and turbo (i got a small T-28 plus some other stuff like the intercooler, for free from a local junkyard for giving them a parts car i picked up and no longer needed). i put the T-28 on cause i dont care if i fuck that one up... i just dont want to ruin any other turbo! something tells me its goin to die anyways with metal shavings in the oil from break in!

once the motor was all assembled i went thru and put in the oil, spun the oil pump sprocket with my drill to prime the pump, filter, and all the bearings so it wasnt all dry :thumbsup: then i set timing, bolted up the tranny and dropped it in. first i pulled out the air conditioning cause that wont be needed anymore! just to much damn weight :rofl: had everything back together and started the car at 10pm tuesday night and she purrs like a kitten on steroids :naughty:

now this question is for kevin... i have been told many ways to break the motor in, beat on it - dont beat on it... dont rev past 3k RPM, i also have heard start off in 1st, bring it to 4k let it drop to 2k then bring it back up to 4k and so on for the rings to seat good... so far i put 3 miles on it today, havent pushed it past 4k yet but i am so tempted, i know not to use the cruise but i was just wondering if you had any suggestions on break in processes?

now here are some pics... my friend came to visit for the afternoon/night from chicago and brought his digital camera and just sent me the pics tonight... i wish i could have gotten pics of the disassembly and reassembly but he didnt get here until the after noon, we disassembled and reassembled the motor in my shop about 100 yards away (about 2 city blocks), and pulled the motor and put it back in at my buddies garage just cause napa is right next door and i wanted to keep my shop as clean as i could for the rebuild.

well there is the finished product!

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and my dumbass with the motor, dirty as fuck!

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the process of dropping it in, it was a little tough with those stupid leveling bars that the cherry picker hooks too... with too much weight on the chains the leveler wont allow me to level the motor so we had to use our weight to get it to move! my buddy is standing on the leveler if you didnt know what it looks like...

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the motor in, just needed to be hooked up

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my new FMIC! :lol: its 45-1/2" wide x 16" tall x 2-1/2" thick, 4" inlet and outlet, i love it!

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and the final project all done and over with at 9:45pm on 9-14-04 right before start up! :)

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and one more thing... i was driving my car tonight and went i got home i went and checked the oil and water and my manifold was glowing a good solid orange color... WTF is up with that, i have seen my turbo glow before from a trip but never the manifold, could this have to do with the small amount of shaft play in the T-28? it looked cool, i just have never seen anything like that before!

i see ya picked up on the timing belt, ya know whats really weird... the timing belt is glossy... its brand new, and it came nowhere near oil (i'm picky about those things)


as for the intercooler it came off a dodge turbo deisel... kevin probably has the same thing in his truck! ;)

nice pics, and nice job you did it very fast!!!! you should put pics like that often.
Nice intercooler, pretty big for a t28 :iceslolan. Are you going to put the 16g on it again?
Is that the spyder you are planning to make AWD??

no... i am sellin the GST to get a spyder and then that car is goin into the garage FWD for the winter and will come out AWD in the spring!

i plan on puting my other 20g that i have for it on once i get the motor good and broken in! just so i dont risk the chance at toasting the turbo.

wow. good job man. and i thought i was deShiznit when I installed an MBC myself :silly:

N I C E dude!... you need to give me that 16 G and give me that GST and give me that intercooler. and along with everything else :D

Wow (jaw drops to the floor). nice work man, it looked like a b**** to install. Now if you could only teach me to do that, we could RULE THE WORLD!!!!! muhahahahahah (cough, cough, wakes up from dream) :p .

again great work. keep us updated with whats goin on. love the intercooler :biggrin: .

Every single time I had broken in a motor, mitsu rebuild or aftermarket, I lost hte turbo. Good move putting a junker on for now. This time I used only pure1 filters and have an AGP filter on the turbo feed line. The turbo has some slight shaft play, but I havent checked it since I installed it, so it could be just "broken in" :D

For breakin, dont baby the car. But dont beat on it either. Let me try to explain. You need high cylinder pressure to drive the rings into the cross hatch to seat them before the cross hatch is gone. If you didnt hone this block, I'm not sure how this will play out though. I dont like to go to high rpm until the bearings have had some time to settle in, so I recomend high boost/low rpm. Run at least 15-16 psi, I use 20 since thats the lowest my setup will go. Get into boost, and then let off. On that turbo you should be able to let off by like 4k. Let the motor decel for a while to clear it out. And repeat. Once there are some miles on the car (~50?) start to raise rpm gradually, again, on boost. Work it up to 7000 by 100 miles perhaps.

Change the oil at around 10 miles. Change it again between 50 and 100. Use mitsu or Pure1 filters, and change them as well. This is no time to be cheap!

I've had great results doing this. PRevious motors would take several thousand miles to reach full compression. Motors broken in this way are up by 100 miles. My motor that I just wrecked had about 150 miles on it. The one good cylinder, #4, still has 200 psi compression, and my guage reads lower than most. IF youre on 1g pistons, look for 150-160 compression, 2g look for 170-180.

Good luck. :)

damn you got a killer on your hands! don't fark it up!

Damn EclipseRST!!!! That is bad ass!!!!!! Great job man, I wish i could have that T28!!!! Well great job again, and post some more pics up if you can.

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nice work! keep us updated.

Nice job man! But if you dont like blowing your motor you minus well get the whole head & blaock tuned for a turbo. Thats what im doing with my spare motor that i have.

I would show you my pictures of my spare motor... but i dont know how to upload pictures to the AF.com gallery haha

Nice job man! But if you dont like blowing your motor you minus well get the whole head & blaock tuned for a turbo. Thats what im doing with my spare motor that i have.

The whole head and block ARE "tuned" for a turbo. It is a stock turbo engine, the 4g63. This is an entirely different car from Jake's RST.

I'm not sure what you mean get the head and block tuned for turbo. He put a 6 bolt motor in the car.

you have nice legs man, and i do mean that in the nicest way you can think of.. oh yehh! nice car too, I see you still have the AWD spyder in your head.. coo!

has the awd spyder been done before?

I know RRE has done a couple.

any times on it? 1/4mile

with that intercooler , going up hill or a steep drive must really suck...nothing like ripping your I/C off at a friends house hahahahahaha

That intercooler is a beast... i haven't posted in a real long time >.<

is there such a thing as "OVER COOLING" your turbo or engine? silly question but just wondering....

engine yes turbo no

Back in the days of carbs, the air could be too cold and freeze parts of the intake, so they had part of the exhaust going next to the intake manifold to prevent it.

With a turbo, no, intake air won't get cold.