Panda 2.0 vs Pontiac Firebird V6

Ok... this was just ... I don't want to say Pathetic...


Ok, it was.


I left work in a cranky/pissy mood. Ya know, after sitting in traffic for 3 hours with the sun in your eyes and having to drive 108 miles to work, and 108 miles home. You're kinda not in the mood for people and their randomness. At least I wasn't today.


So of course I had to drive the 7 miles home with the Blitz set to 14psi. Not that needed the car to be ready to boost for 14psi, I just wanted it to. One of those "reflect my moods" sorta things.


Anywho, half way home I'm cruising along in 4th gear at about 45mph. And I come along this Firebird with stock Dual exhaust. Hmmm, V8? Look at the taillights. Nope.. no honey-combs over the taillights. Ahh it's a V6 with the optional 'performance' exhaust. Which is good for a rated 5hp.

As I'm cruising next to the Firebird, I notice the two guys looking over and I hear the sound of a mighty V6 being gunned repeatedly. Then them laughing. And strangely enough I heard the guy say the word "Ricer" to his buddy. And them laughing.

Must of been my exhaust, kinda drones abit. Unless you get on it. Sounds like a WRC Rally car.

You ever just snap? That little part of your brain that just goes... *KCHH!!* And you just go bonkers?

Yeah, the light ahead went red. So I was stuck next to the guys at the light. And they were still laughing... snickering... leering... and worst of all. Revving.

Light goes green, I take off normally. They start to take off with all the V6 might they have. Which sounded horrible I might add.

I shift to 2nd gear normally, and floor it. Boost comes quick and induce a rolling burnout past them with the exhaust roaring. Let off at 60mph. Drive normal.

Guys stayed back... they ended up next to me again at another light. Not a single peep. But of course I was looking right at them. :naughty:

hahaha they must of felt stupid when a 30+yr old car handed them their asss.. hahahahhaahah good kill..
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You're still a ricer. :p





Anyhow, how far ahead were you at 60? :)

You're still a ricer. :p





Anyhow, how far ahead were you at 60? :)



Hmmm... Maybe 3-4 bus lengths?

I honestly think he straight let off the gas once I went past him.


I know I would of if a car did a rolling burn out past me. :lol2:

Good kill. Actually bad kill, why waste the gas :p Then again you know I like the Anniversary editions with the Gran National engine.

good shit man. serves those corns right.

yay hahahaha

You ever just snap? That little part of your brain that just goes... *KCHH!!* And you just go bonkers?

I feel your pain, man. LOL, rolling burnout past them, thats just too much...if a car PASSED me while slightly sideways, I think i would back off too.

How can people call a 240Z a "ricer" though? Most people that buy those cars either buy them to cruise (stock exhaust) or for a purpose (swapped and modded). Honestly I have yet to see a modded 240Z that isn't fast, probly because teens on a budget don't buy them.

You ever just snap? That little part of your brain that just goes... *KCHH!!* And you just go bonkers?

very nice kill heh. i must say that's the best part of it (see above) that was just so funny!!!! :rofl: :rofl: i'm gonna steal that and use that from now on

very nice. we've all got days like that, my last one was with an FD...

ricer fly-by on the little old mr2... that then stuck to his ass all the way up to 100 on the freeway onramp. then he kept going, lol.

i haven't tried the 2nd gear rolling burnout yet though... i call bs on you till you post a video ;)

was the firebird the 3.4 or 3.8 liter v6?

Does it matter?

lol ya because if it was the 200 hp 225 tq 3.8, then its pretty stupid of him to talk shit about the Firebird's engine because if it had a turbo like him at the same psi, Firebird would smoke the shit out of him.

hehehe, thats funny, something they will never forget

sounds like alot of fun matt. dude matt aint no newb to motors or cars. so becareful he might just have to teach you a thing or too. also might i add he has a pretty wicked ass camaro.

on another note i wish the supercharger for my truck was cheaper so i could go fast like you guys

lol ya because if it was the 200 hp 225 tq 3.8, then its pretty stupid of him to talk shit about the Firebird's engine because if it had a turbo like him at the same psi, Firebird would smoke the shit out of him.

:grinno: i think youve just started a flame war. and redneck says..........

heck i think at 7 psi a 3.8 would smoke that srd20detykdrgsrgtswrjtwpfgtfwkptww (most overrated engine in the world)

lol *sits down* *grabs popcorn*

i mean the kids prolly thought it was a stock z thats why they were laughing and he's judging the exhuast by the stock muffler no doubt........

always a good storyteller and once again, love your ride.

can i still wear my bra when i ride in your car?

camaroincal, just when I thinking about buying a V6 F-Body, you have to come back here and start being a dogmatic shit-talking prick. Now I don't wanna buy one anymore, if people like you are the kind of people who buy them. :(

hmmm....why would ne one ever want to put a turbo on v6 firebird is beyond me...go for the v8. makes a lot more sense. the point is that the firebird didnt have a turbo and it got its ass handed to it be a 30+ year old car. I dont think the sr is an overrated engine, but i do think its a good reliable one that can be found easily and modded well. I wish i had such an engine in my car...jesus...that would b awesome. I'm not here 2 start a flame war, but i also dont c what the point of defending a v6 firebird is. the firebird is a nice car in its v8 version, but the v6 is really nothing special. tell me what u guys think!

nice kill

That's awesome!!!

yup......why should u mod a p.o.s V6 firebird right ricers? Well maybe this is why....http://timeslips.firebirdv6.com/

The fifth fastest time down from the top is a guy with a 1995 AUTO Firebird 3.8 V6..He has light-moderate mods and runs mid 12's at 10 psi..........

Sweet he's got nitrous too! I wanna have Nitrous! Then I'd be cool!

/sarcasm

um... no thats just on the turbo @ 10 psi....no nitrous mr. illiterate. 5th one down.........1 2 3 4 5!!!! ;) Shane Wahl is his name...5th one..err..lol

jesus christ here we go again on how V6 camaros are god

:evillol:

chill, camaroincal is funny as hell, good guy. just tryin to have a bit of fun, dont get all bent out of shape about it. why would anything he say make you not want to buy a stang, he hates stangs too, ask him.

:: also sits down and gets some popcorn ready to watch the show::

Actually I don't hate stangs......nor do I hate SR20DET powered cars. The reason my responses are hostile is because the original post was belittling of V6 F-bodies. SO as I always must at this forum.....I try standing up for it :)

sooo my nearly stock gti is a ricer? it has a chip and a new clutch...uhhh...and a nice stock stereo :uhoh: take a look: http://www.cardomain.com/id/deposition1688

well, in that case i guess my g36 is one also :biggrin:
http://www.cardomain.com/id/deposition1689

but thats not the point, the stock v6 firebird lost and thats that, if it had a turbo etc it might have been diff...blah blah, but it didn't...end of story, sry bout grammer, i'm in the middle of someting else, so im not going to b perfect

nothim wrong w/defending a v6 firebird, i respect that :smile:

S*** lol... coulda sworn that said sixth... all those V6 this V6 that musta confused me.

I love GM's 3800 Series II V6, it's a good motor and all, but the only reason I'd get one over the V8 is because I can't afford insurance on the V8 models. So yeah, the V6 is great, but it's nothing special.

The reason my responses are hostile is because the original post was belittling of V6 F-bodies.

The V6 F-Body owners were belittling him first, genius.

They were calling him a ricer, when in fact, they were the biggest posers of them all...they bought a car called "Camaro", and they thought they were fast. They forgot to check the "+ two more cylinders" options though...

Thay basically bought 1/3rd of the car, at 2/3rds of the price.

Also, YOU'RE the one acting like a ricer right now. WTF is with the "if I slap a turbo on it, it'll smoke you" bullcrap? What are you? In elementary-school?

Tell you what, I have a non-turbo SR20 that's basically stock for your V6 that you are so fucking desperate to get respect for.

Oh, and I'll see your 12-second Nitrous and/or turbo V6 Camaros with this list of turbo SR20's, which has dipped into the 9's (most of the cars on the list are street-legal): http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=12387, and raise you this list of naturally-aspirated SR20's that have dipped into the 11's (also mostly street-legal): http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=12387

BTW, those two lists are of the FWD variety of SR20's (Sentra SE-R's). Red's is a RWD, and is lighter than my Sentra, and therefore has more potential.

Don't let me embarrass you some more, with a list of what REAL Camaros can do.

I'd ban you for a week for just being an asshat in somebody else's thread, but since this is Red's thread, I'll let him have the "kill".






I do understand why you're the way you're the way you are though...owning a car that looks faster than it is, that is disrespected by V8's, other V6's (including its cousin, the GTP), and four-bangers.

Boo-fucking-hoo.

Holy shit...good job, carrrnuttt...now I'll REALLY feel like a dumb-ass if I buy a V6 Camaro.

To tell the truth i've had way more praises about my car than people bashing it. And there would be more 3800 F-bodies in the 11's and 12's and lower if there was as a big a market for them as there is for the SR20DET.

You obviously know nothing about the 3800. How is this engine mated to a 5 speed that much of a joke to you? That combination has seen 14's stock more than once..........yet you act like I should be embarrased. fyi this v6 will give any V8 they put in Camaro from the mid 70's to the late a run for their money. And will kill them in the reliability and gas mileage....

Oh ya...............you are talking shit and you own a 92 Sentra.......... :grinno: :loser:

That combination has seen 14's stock more than once..........

Please, PLEASE just stop.

It is a MID 15 SECOND car with a GODLIKE driver. Most decent drivers will run a high 15.

No one buys a V6 Camaro for performance anyways when the V8 only costs 2-3 thousand more, so you don't need to get all defensive...

um no...sorry...lol with godlike drivers it's seen high 14's.........and with experienced 5 speed drivers it see's low 15's

http://media.firebirdv6.com/unsunghero.html

To tell the truth i've had way more praises about my car than people bashing it. And there would be more 3800 F-bodies in the 11's and 12's and lower if there was as a big a market for them as there is for the SR20DET.

You obviously know nothing about the 3800. How is this engine mated to a 5 speed that much of a joke to you? That combination has seen 14's stock more than once..........yet you act like I should be embarrased. fyi this v6 will give any V8 they put in Camaro from the mid 70's to the late a run for their money. And will kill them in the reliability and gas mileage....
Just shut yer trap man, while you're still not too far behind.

The fact that you're sitting here, arguing about how "loved" your fucking car is, tells me just how much YOU wish you had a different car.

You're just justifying, which is pathetic.

My car is quick for what it is, but I will openly (and proudly) call it "my beater", or "my POS", which the way I like it, as most people underestimate my car that way, and get caught by surprise.

As for your car, think about this:
Passenger in a riced-out Civic: "Dude, it's a Camaro! Rev on him!"
Driver of the riced-out Civic: "Yeah! I'll shows him how bAdAsS my new exhaust is!"
Passenger in a riced-out Civic: "Oh wait..."
Driver of the riced-out Civic: "Crap, it's a V6...nevermind."

Learn to live with your car mang...gawd, we have people in here with slower cars than yours that whine less. But then again, THEIR car isn't pretending to be something it's not.

umm..ok Carnuttttt. keep talking. You're making me look better by the post......Explain to me then why 3.8 M5 F-bodies run right with and sometimes beat 94-98 Mustang GT automatics.......? If my car sucks so much what do you think of the GT?

I have a v6 firebird...it could use better gearing. But it's better than the Taurus I used to have by far; would rather have a V8 but i'm only 17 and insurance would rape me. I have little intentions of making a ton of mods to it, much less racing.

A let's-get-acquainted 15.23/89.5 was followed by a 15.37/90.3, 15.41/89.8 and a 15.47/89.2, with the engine getting successively hotter from being hot-lapped. With the air filter out and the serpentine belt off, the V6 responded after a cooldown with a 15.03/91.0 and a 15.15/90.3.

I'll give you low 15's, but they had to remove some stuff to get it really low. And I don't see a 14 anywhere on there. And it's still a hell of a lot slower than the Z28.

I have a v6 firebird...it could use better gearing. But it's better than the Taurus I used to have by far; would rather have a V8 but i'm only 17 and insurance would rape me. I have little intentions of making a ton of mods to it, much less racing.

That's exactly the same boat I'm in. I'm only 18 and I can't afford the insurance on a V8, and I don't really want that much power anyways. The V6 is enough for me; if I wanted to fast I'd get the V8 for sure.

Guys............seriously......a 3.8 F-body with a 5 speed is a nice car...it's quicker than you all think.....and I have plenty of fun with mine. :)

I'm not saying that the V6 Camaro is slow; it's quick, agile, and sporty, and that's why I want one. But if I wanted something truly FAST, I'd definitely spend a little more and get a V8. So it's kinda pointless to argue about how fast the V6 Camaro is when the V8 Camaro blows it out of the water anyways.

Wow, I've been gone a day and the thread Jumps 4 pages.


Ok, simple as this.


camaroincal, where are you located? I assume you're in California? If you're in the SoCal area I'll come to you and show you what I'm talking about.


Deal?

ha ha ha ha ha holy crap im mad i missed this unfold, matt im lovin it even more and the fact that it doesnt look like what it really is, is the best part... im glad those dudes got owned and camaroiconal(or however your name is spelled) v6's might be fast yes, faster than my truck(four cyl with broken motor mounts and a fucked up clutch) but the fact that i could spend 2 grand more and get something that could completely crush your car is fuckin hilarious. now the sr20 is overrated, what are u retarded, i know 2 people (not on this board) with sentras swapped with that motor and they are two of the fastest cars i know of, so dont talk s*** reds car cuz yours is slow, and like his post says above, if your soooo fast(and furious) then go give him a run and u'll see how "underrated" that motor is... id LOVE to see a vid of you two race if it happens.

fyi this v6 will give any V8 they put in Camaro from the mid 70's to the late a run for their money. And will kill them in the reliability and gas mileage....

ok...lame ass statement of the year!

dude, i've smoked 70's z28's in my old mustang

and it was a 6 too...a 200ci inline 6. GOOD JOB, you own a firebird and the attitude of an owner with a small prick, but instead its a small engine. They dont create aftermarket because its a BASE model, or the RS camaro...ooo, body and light suspension package. But yah, i'm sure the 6 you got was really designed for racing...unlike the crappy ol' SR line of motors..... :rolleyes:

compairing ANYTHING to stock mid 70's smogers is lame....go away poser. :nono:

Its things like this that make me want to go out and key a Camaro....
:uhoh: :naughty:

Totally agree, tv. My friend has a 79 camaro with a 305. it only puts out 130hp at the crank. Thats pretty pathetic for a 3,000-pound+ car

lol ya because if it was the 200 hp 225 tq 3.8, then its pretty stupid of him to talk shit about the Firebird's engine because if it had a turbo like him at the same psi, Firebird would smoke the shit out of him.



:rolleyes:

Wow, I've been gone a day and the thread Jumps 4 pages.


Ok, simple as this.


camaroincal, where are you located? I assume you're in California? If you're in the SoCal area I'll come to you and show you what I'm talking about.


Deal?

I'm in Norcal. You have a nice car....it's just you were mad or something when u posted your original post because anyone who read that and owns a V6 Camaro or Firebird feels offended by the way you worded it. And it is true that a 3.8 @ only 10 psi is capable of mid to low 12's. And your car is just maybe scratching at high 12's.............so....

ha ha ha ha ha holy crap im mad i missed this unfold, matt im lovin it even more and the fact that it doesnt look like what it really is, is the best part... im glad those dudes got owned and camaroiconal(or however your name is spelled) v6's might be fast yes, faster than my truck(four cyl with broken motor mounts and a fucked up clutch) but the fact that i could spend 2 grand more and get something that could completely crush your car is fuckin hilarious. now the sr20 is overrated, what are u retarded, i know 2 people (not on this board) with sentras swapped with that motor and they are two of the fastest cars i know of, so dont talk s*** reds car cuz yours is slow, and like his post says above, if your soooo fast(and furious) then go give him a run and u'll see how "underrated" that motor is... id LOVE to see a vid of you two race if it happens.

Well..for one ..I never said V6 Camaro's are fast...they are quick. And second...did I ever say I would beat him? I love how people are putting words in my mouth I never spoke :grinno:

ok...lame ass statement of the year!

dude, i've smoked 70's z28's in my old mustang

and it was a 6 too...a 200ci inline 6. GOOD JOB, you own a firebird and the attitude of an owner with a small prick, but instead its a small engine. They dont create aftermarket because its a BASE model, or the RS camaro...ooo, body and light suspension package. But yah, i'm sure the 6 you got was really designed for racing...unlike the crappy ol' SR line of motors..... :rolleyes:

compairing ANYTHING to stock mid 70's smogers is lame....go away poser. :nono:

I'm sorry this was a typo by me. I meant mid 70's to late 80's V8's they put in Camaro's. There is an aftermarket albeit a small one..but it's there.... And they do quite well in autocrosses actually.......

Its things like this that make me want to go out and key a Camaro....
:uhoh: :naughty:

I think this guy should be banned for saying this........

:rolleyes:

Can you explain this gesture?

And they do quite well in autocrosses actually.......

i wasn't going to say anything... but, i can't stop laughing from this statement. in my BONE STOCK *aside from a straightpipe* Estock 1986 Rx7 n/a, i could beat street prepared and STX/STS class camaros from the late 70's/early 80's

are we living in the same reality? or are there just a lot of those in your local chapter...?

The old RX-7s are BAD-ASS in autocross. My uncle had a Porsche 911 back then (he's a doctor so I guess he could afford to race it), and he was always getting swarmed by all the S22A RX-7s.