Omg The Bugatti Veyron

If you dont know about it, look it up O M G, W12 8.0L 64 valve Quad Turbocharged engine and it's a passenger car!!! And you thought your hot rod was fast. Now that's some engineering, 0-60 mph in 3.0 seconds, hits like 258 mph top, and you can drive it on the street. And only a cool million some odd bucks...thats the new favorite for me!! www.howstuffworks.com theres a link to their site there.

I personally do not like this car. It weighs 4,300 lbs (Viper wieghs about 1,000 lbs less, the McLaren F1 weighs about 2,000 lbs less). VW/Bugatti has been incredibly late on production of this car, mostly because they havn't met some of their promises (i.e. 250mph, 0-60 in 3.0ish). They also had to downgrade the hp numbers down into the 900s. Although it hasn't been proven yet, I also doubt this car will handle very well at all, it just weighs too much. Its a supercar, with the interior of a high-end luxury car. They are just trying to do too much with this car. If I'm gunna spend $1,000,000+ on a car, I'd get a McLaren F1 LM, or a Carrera GT, or an Enzo, not this poser-mobile. It just screams "trying too hard."

It damn well better scream trying too hard if I'm gonna pay a million bucks for it, and of course it weighs more, it must to stay on the ground and have traction with that kind of power not to mention the engine is much bigger. Where are you getting your statistics I didn't find anything saying what you just said, rumors? Also, this car is above those that you named b/c not only is it faster, but look at the engineering, the transmission is a 7-speed sequential with TWO clutches and it shifts in .2 seconds when you tell it to. You're stat's are off, they are selling with the stat's I gave, so please do back up your statement before denouncing a great car.

I haven't officially heard the numbers are changed from the 1,001 hp but we all know from experience that the initial hp stats are a lil optimistic and that emission regulations cut down alot of that (M5, and my biggest let down the RX8)...I would just say don't get your hopes up on over 1k hp

I no the usa is really strickt on emmisions. They had to put a toyota engine into the Lotus Elise rather than the Rover K series to bring it over there. Not that thats an entirely bad thing though. I here that the RX8 is noticably slower than the european spec car. This is alwasy the problem with powerful cars. Its all this "keep the green party happy" crap. Cows passing wind count for 32% of global warming. Cars is 1.2%

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It damn well better scream trying too hard if I'm gonna pay a million bucks for it, and of course it weighs more, it must to stay on the ground and have traction with that kind of power not to mention the engine is much bigger. Where are you getting your statistics I didn't find anything saying what you just said, rumors? Also, this car is above those that you named b/c not only is it faster, but look at the engineering, the transmission is a 7-speed sequential with TWO clutches and it shifts in .2 seconds when you tell it to. You're stat's are off, they are selling with the stat's I gave, so please do back up your statement before denouncing a great car.

Eh weight and traction and what? Not trying to be an ass here, but there are +1000 horsepower cars that weigh much less then 4300 pounds, so that's not really a good excuse. Straight line traction isn't all about weight, but track performance is severly hampered by weight. It will be a good car for the semi-enthusiast who wants a capable car that is also comfortable.

Yeah there's 1000+ horsepower cars that weigh less...but they are also dont have the body of a passenger car...they have the body of a Lemanz race car, THATS the difference and reason it is needed. Shit you could throw a 1000+ HP engine in a Geo Metro and say it weighs less and doesnt need weight for traction, but is that feasible to sell as a passenger car? No...I see a lot of forums of people whining that its too powerful and ugly, its like 80% of the people just hate on it because its better than the rest, and they don't like that for some reason. I mean come on its got the power and speed of a champ car and its a passenger car that weighs 4000+ lbs...and BTW WTF is wrong with it weighing that much if it puts up stats like that, more weight means more traction, AWD means better handling...I don't see anyone proving anything but ignorance to the facts. And if you want to deny things, then please back it up, you show me how something else is better with stats not ignorant talk, before you post. Not to be mean, but no one has made much sense yet.

Well my facts come from CAR and EVO magazines, 2 of the most respected car mags in the world. Both have written articles complaining about the various problems (delays in release and falling short in hp/torque). My weight numbers on the Veyron come from the website that 3000GT posted. The Veyron has been in the design/concept phase of its development since early 2000, and was supposed to be released as a 2002 model.

BTW WTF is wrong with it weighing that much if it puts up stats like that

Heres a basic physics equation. F=MA (Force = Mass x Acceleration). When you rearrange the equation it reads A=F/M. This means that when mass increases, acceleration decreases, and when force increases, acceleration increases. (disclamer: this equation does not fully explain excelleration in the real world, but its close) The Veyron weighs alot, therefore slowing the car down. Granted, its HP numbers compensate, it still doesnt get a ratio of certain other high end supercars (ie McLaren F1 LM, which has 660hp/2341lbs and the Koenigsegg CCR which has 805hp/2712lbs). 1000hp/4300lbs pales in comparison. Weight and power are equally important when designing a performance oriented car.

Weight also hampers the handling of a car. Theres another physics equation to describe that, but its a bit more complicated, but heres an example. The Lotus Elise is considered one of the best handling cars ever built, and its not AWD, its RWD. One of the biggest reasons it handles so well is its rediculously low weight (1565lbs on 2001, Euro Specs).

The Veyron just isnt worth it, when the McLaren, or the CCR, or the Enzo, or CGT are so much better.

F = M x A in a vacuum

F = M x A in a vacuum

Thats exactly why I put my little disclamer in... In the real world air resistance also comes into effect. Correct me if I am wrong, but im pretty sure the drag coefficient on the Veyron isnt very good compared to the other cars i mentioned.

So let me get this straight, you don't like it because it came out later than they said?? And because its heavier than other cars...the difference in horsepower per pound of weight is minimal in comparison, to the Mclaren F1, and if I remember correctly that ratio is actually better than the Mclaren's. This car hits 188 MPH in 14 seconds. It puts down 950 ft/lbs of torque (Forbes), has the fastest rated tires of any car (most important in handling) which are modified F1 tires that last and have the same "sticky" grip. I did more research, and the 1001 HP converted to American becomes 986 HP, so maybe that's where you heard the downgrade.

Now obviously a light car will handle well, a Geo Metro with a modified suspension could take a 90 degree turn at 80 probabaly. And yes the Lotus Elise was RWD, what if it was AWD?

And yes, basic physics says that it will have more force, but you don't have information to prove that the handling would be any worse than a car that weighs half what it does. There's too many factors of the amount of traction and downforce and not enough statistical information. So you can't say that it handles worse because it weighs 4k lbs, that's ignorance to a large number of variables.

Apparently speed doesn't matter to you, you want efficiency and the most handling, and that's your opinion. For me if I have a choice of the fastest production car ever built, or one that isn't as fast but weighs less...I'd have to go with the fastest car. Because in the real world, you're not gonna be going 200 MPH around any turns, but you might hit 250 MPH in a drag race. And if it WAS for professional racing, then it would depend on the track, and all those variable that we don't yet know.

"The troubled Bugatti Veyron 16.4 supercar has been pushed back again - and now won't make its debut for at least another 15 months. The weekly reports that Bugatti has already had to reduce the predicted top speed of the car from 252 mph to 218 mph because of high-speed stability issues. Now, production of the 8.0-liter, W-16-powered supercar is being delayed because of undefined "quality" issues. Parent company Volkswagen is suffering from sluggish sales and "lousy" financial results that have led some to speculate the entire Bugatti project may never reach full production."
-Auto Week

"The launch of the 1,001bhp Bugatti Veyron has been postponed until next year. The first customers were due to get their cars around now, but they may have to wait 12 months. Insiders say this is because VW Group boss Bernd Pischetsrieder is increasingly worried about spiralling costs."
-Auto Express


I find it funny that a car that isnt even in prodution yet falls short of the McLaren F1, which is over 10 years old now. The Bugatti is not a performance oriented car. No performance car has an interior like the Veyron. Do the math 660hp/2341lbs > 1000hp/4,300lbs. The McLaren F1 does have a better ratio. Im not going to pretend to know everything about the aerodynamics of these cars, but im pretty sure most people would agree that the McLaren has the Veryon beat. My comment on the Elise was meant to show that you do not need AWD to handle well. If you would be willing to pay $1,000,000 for a car like this then good for you, but I would much rather have a car like the McLaren, a car with actual racing history and success. The greatest sportcar ever built.

Yeah there's 1000+ horsepower cars that weigh less...but they are also dont have the body of a passenger car...they have the body of a Lemanz race car, THATS the difference and reason it is needed. Shit you could throw a 1000+ HP engine in a Geo Metro and say it weighs less and doesnt need weight for traction, but is that feasible to sell as a passenger car? No...I see a lot of forums of people whining that its too powerful and ugly, its like 80% of the people just hate on it because its better than the rest, and they don't like that for some reason. I mean come on its got the power and speed of a champ car and its a passenger car that weighs 4000+ lbs...and BTW WTF is wrong with it weighing that much if it puts up stats like that, more weight means more traction, AWD means better handling...I don't see anyone proving anything but ignorance to the facts. And if you want to deny things, then please back it up, you show me how something else is better with stats not ignorant talk, before you post. Not to be mean, but no one has made much sense yet.

Yes because we all know that straight line acceleration means everything in a track race. After all, Lingenfelter Corvettes are the best track cars ever. The 850 horsepower version, by the way, would walk this car.

More weight does not mean more traction. More weight means more body roll. More weight means more understeer. If more weight gives so much more traction, why is it that the best track cars in the world strive to stay lower then say 3300 pounds? I mean, why not just up the horsepower and weight to provide better traction? Why is it that cars like the Exige and r500 Super 7 have incredible handling? I don't think you are seeing that part. The Murcielago is the only good track car I can think of that weighs 4000 pounds, and it is obviously worse in the corners then lighter supercars like the Enzo and the Carrera GT. I won't even go into the AWD proving better handling part as this is not proven as of yet. Though if someone would like to provide proof of this, that's fine with me.

I sure don't see any facts that you supposidly have posted. All you have put are straight line acceleration. That's it. Maybe if we
re talking oval racing this would be the best...

Yes because we all know that straight line acceleration means everything in a track race. After all, Lingenfelter Corvettes are the best track cars ever. The 850 horsepower version, by the way, would walk this car.

More weight does not mean more traction. More weight means more body roll. More weight means more understeer. If more weight gives so much more traction, why is it that the best track cars in the world strive to stay lower then say 3300 pounds? I mean, why not just up the horsepower and weight to provide better traction? Why is it that cars like the Exige and r500 Super 7 have incredible handling? I don't think you are seeing that part. The Murcielago is the only good track car I can think of that weighs 4000 pounds, and it is obviously worse in the corners then lighter supercars like the Enzo and the Carrera GT. I won't even go into the AWD proving better handling part as this is not proven as of yet. Though if someone would like to provide proof of this, that's fine with me.

I sure don't see any facts that you supposidly have posted. All you have put are straight line acceleration. That's it. Maybe if we
re talking oval racing this would be the best...

What are you illiterate? read what I wrote in the other post I said in a drag race smart ass, and I said track no one knows because it hasnt been tested...as for the speed limit to 218, its not out yet and they have plans to push it back to 252 before it does come out, dont tell half a story...and as I just said in the last post, I won't be racing in a track ever, won't be going around turns at over 200 MPH ever, but I might go over 200 MPH in a straight line at some point...and the fastest car to get me there that you could buy off the lot would be the Buggati, used to be the Mclaren F1, then Enzo...I never said it was all around better, just faster in a straight line, pay attention, and the facts that I have posted have been specifications on the engine only, I never claimed that it was better on a track, it hasn't been tested once again, so none of you can say, "no way it'll beat a mclaren or a carrera Gt or an enzo". get it yet?

What are you illiterate? read what I wrote in the other post I said in a drag race smart ass, and I said track no one knows because it hasnt been tested...as for the speed limit to 218, its not out yet and they have plans to push it back to 252 before it does come out, dont tell half a story...and as I just said in the last post, I won't be racing in a track ever, won't be going around turns at over 200 MPH ever, but I might go over 200 MPH in a straight line at some point...and the fastest car to get me there that you could buy off the lot would be the Buggati, used to be the Mclaren F1, then Enzo...I never said it was all around better, just faster in a straight line, pay attention, and the facts that I have posted have been specifications on the engine only, I never claimed that it was better on a track, it hasn't been tested once again, so none of you can say, "no way it'll beat a mclaren or a carrera Gt or an enzo". get it yet?


...And yes, basic physics says that it will have more force, but you don't have information to prove that the handling would be any worse than a car that weighs half what it does. There's too many factors of the amount of traction and downforce and not enough statistical information. So you can't say that it handles worse because it weighs 4k lbs, that's ignorance to a large number of variables...

...and BTW WTF is wrong with it weighing that much if it puts up stats like that, more weight means more traction, AWD means better handling...

...has the fastest rated tires of any car (most important in handling)...

...And yes, basic physics says that it will have more force, but you don't have information to prove that the handling would be any worse than a car that weighs half what it does. There's too many factors of the amount of traction and downforce and not enough statistical information. So you can't say that it handles worse because it weighs 4k lbs, that's ignorance to a large number of variables...

It wasn't until your 4th post you said anything about drag racing. So uh, what were you trying to prove again? If you like the car, more power to you. Just don't expect people to care because it's fast in the straight line, or to think it's the best car ever to be made.

It wasn't until your 4th post you said anything about drag racing. So uh, what were you trying to prove again? If you like the car, more power to you. Just don't expect people to care because it's fast in the straight line, or to think it's the best car ever to be made.


wtf are you dumb? the whole point of making this thread was to tell people about the car who didn't know about it. And then the skeptic came in and started throwing out rumors, then you came out of nowhere and obviously can't keep up with a paragrah...plain and simple it's the best engine anyone is gonna see for a while, I never said it was the best car ever to be made, can you read at all? once again pay attention...the engine/tranny combo is the most advanced that i've ever seen. Did I say that means the car is better than all in everything? no...are you paying attention? I don't care what "people think" about how the car handles and what not, nobody knows how it handles, so you can say what you want but it's ignorance, there are NO STATS. The best car ever made in my personal opinion is the 1997 Lamborghini Diablo VT-TT Roadster, with that being said you show me where I said I thought the Bugatti was the best car ever made, or that I thought "people should care" about it being fast in a straight line lol (since your illiterate ass misquoted me about it). Still payin attention? I just think the engine is a great feat of engineering, it hasnt been done before, they slapped two W8's on one crankshaft and made it work...they put two clutches in a 7-speed transmission that shift in .2 seconds, they made it street legal and able to run off pump gas and put out over 1000hp. To deny that it's an amazing engine is just ignorance to the truth. you got it yet there bud? go over it one more time so you can soak all that up, so i don't have to repeat, or clarify everything I wrote for your DUMB ASS. f'in pot heads.

wtf are you dumb? the whole point of making this thread was to tell people about the car who didn't know about it. And then the skeptic came in and started throwing out rumors, then you came out of nowhere and obviously can't keep up with a paragrah...plain and simple it's the best engine anyone is gonna see for a while, I never said it was the best car ever to be made, can you read at all? once again pay attention...the engine/tranny combo is the most advanced that i've ever seen. Did I say that means the car is better than all in everything? no...are you paying attention? I don't care what "people think" about how the car handles and what not, nobody knows how it handles, so you can say what you want but it's ignorance, there are NO STATS. The best car ever made in my personal opinion is the 1997 Lamborghini Diablo VT-TT Roadster, with that being said you show me where I said I thought the Bugatti was the best car ever made, or that I thought "people should care" about it being fast in a straight line lol (since your illiterate ass misquoted me about it). Still payin attention? I just think the engine is a great feat of engineering, it hasnt been done before, they slapped two W8's on one crankshaft and made it work...they put two clutches in a 7-speed transmission that shift in .2 seconds, they made it street legal and able to run off pump gas and put out over 1000hp. To deny that it's an amazing engine is just ignorance to the truth. you got it yet there bud? go over it one more time so you can soak all that up, so i don't have to repeat, or clarify everything I wrote for your DUMB ASS. f'in pot heads.



Whoa easy on the personal attacks. The points people made are very valid. Veyron has some very big problems. Overweight, aparently unstable at hight speeds and in handling. And your statemet about weight not being issue is quite uninformed. Weight is the single biggest enemy a car has.

And if you don't belive any of us about the problems the veyron has maybe you'll believe this:

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And your statemet about weight not being issue is quite uninformed. Weight is the single biggest enemy a car has.

And if you don't belive any of us about the problems the veyron has maybe you'll believe this:



Please moderator, show me EXACTLY where I stated that weight was not an issue. Will no one read completely and try to understand every word? Go back and look, I said it hasn't been PROVEN that the weight would make the handling worse than other supercars. I never once said that I thought weight wasn't a factor. Believe me, I know the factor that weight plays, i've owned sports car light and heavy and know the difference. But I also know that 4000 LBS. can be controlled as well as 2000 LBS. with the correct set up. Once again misquoted, I never said I didn't think the Veyron had problems, as I JUST said in the last post and the first, the engine and transmission engineering is my main focus. DO NOT misquote me, any of you, again.

you know with everything being written down right there you would think everyone would be able to read it all and get it all, its not like im talking to you and you missed something I said, it's right there...understand it.

Please moderator, show me EXACTLY where I stated that weight was not an issue. Will no one read completely and try to understand every word? Go back and look, I said it hasn't been PROVEN that the weight would make the handling worse. I never once said that I thought weight wasn't a factor. Believe me, I know the factor that weight plays, i've owned sports car light and heavy and know the difference. But I also know that 4000 LBS. can be controlled as well as 2000 LBS. with the correct set up. Once again misquoted, I never said I didn't think the Veyron had problems, as I JUST said in the last post and the first, the engine and transmission engineering is my main focus. DO NOT misquote me, any of you, again.


"it hasn't been PROVEN that the weight would make the handling worse". What? Weight will always affect handling for the worst, every single pound. There is no need to prove that, its basic physics. The higher the inertia the hander will be to turn.

"DO NOT misquote me, any of you, again" from your tone should we take that as a threat?

Sigh, yes more weight = more inertia OK we all know basic physics, but how much downforce is there, how much traction, since you all seem to know everything about it??? tell me please. And please oh please dont get all power happy on me with that "is that a threat??" I can ban you crap. It's a statement, everyone keeps misquoting me, im tired of repeating myself, so don't do it. If you feel threatened in some way by that, idk whats wrong with you.

Sigh, yes more weight = more inertia OK we all know basic physics, but how much downforce is there, how much traction, since you all seem to know everything about it??? tell me please. And please oh please dont get all power happy on me with that "is that a threat??" I can ban you crap. It's a statement, everyone keeps misquoting me, im tired of repeating myself, so don't do it. If you feel threatened in some way by that, idk whats wrong with you.


Well lets see the car keeps crashing even during demo laps so its unstable, it cannot do its top speed due to aerodynamics problems. Does that sound like a car that can overcome its weight issues trough downforce and traction?

Fact is that the veyson is a spec sheet queen. Its amazing on paper, but a flop in the real world. A twin turbo V8 or V12 could have acheived the 1000HP mark easily especially with 8L displacement. They choose to vercomplicate themselves with a W layout, 4 turbos.

Also the best gearbox would've been a proper Sequential like the F1 cars or the Enzo but instead they chose a DSG.

Its the same story as the Nvidia Vs ATI when nvidia chose to implement to early the 130nm chips on their original Fx series and ati chose 180nm for the 9700.

See, you can't say "Fact is" when its not a fact yet. Do you not understand that concept? and whats this "keeps"...how many times did it run? and how many times did it spin out? once. And it doesn't matter what it "sounds like", the fact IS we don't know yet, we may never know. Another fact IS I don't care about how it handles on the track, i've said this three or four times already. I care about the engine/tranny engineering...and what do you do for a living that gives you the balls to say what the best gear box would be, and tell me how it would be better, if you dont mind, and also what is wrong w/ the gearbox they chose. I don't like statements w/o explanations to back them up.

Btw: please dont bring in computer geek samples, I know little about them so I can't really compare.

Bwahahaha wow this is priceless. And I'm the one that can't read?

Bwahahaha wow this is priceless. And I'm the one that can't read?

you seem about as intelligent as your pic, so I can understand how u never make sense, go get a girlfriend, stop posting here.

you keep saying that u will never drive through a corner at 200mph and that u will never drive on a track... well chances are ull never drive the bugatti veyron either so why are u making such a big deal out of it?

what do you do for a living that gives you the balls to say what the best gear box would be, and tell me how it would be better, if you dont mind, and also what is wrong w/ the gearbox they chose.

Theres been a few comparisons between the only 2 cars in the same class in which one car had DSG (Audi TT 3.2 Quattro) and the other a sequential (BMW Z4 3.0 SMG). In every one i've read, the Z4 was the better car, and SMG was the better transmission. Squential gearboxes are also the perferred transmission of Ferrari, the most experienced performance car builder of our time. Dual clutch is the best VW has, so they're using it on the Veyron.

you keep saying that u will never drive through a corner at 200mph and that u will never drive on a track... well chances are ull never drive the bugatti veyron either so why are u making such a big deal out of it?

LOL, I swear you are all retarded, what sense did you just make, I won't ever hit a corner at 200 MPH, and I won't ever do a track race, wtf does that have to do with the Buggati smart guy?...get it now or don't idc, you people can't comprehend a thing...the engine is beyond great, the transmission is pretty cool, that's my opinion, that's all i'm trying to say...I don't give a fawk about track times, and no azn, if you squint a little harder, i'm not making a big deal out of it, as soon as i said anything about the bitch, whiners and complainers came out crying about "but its not good on the track, I like Mclarens" I dont give a sh*t what you like people, damn, I just like engineering involved in making the car, it's called innovation, only a few people have it, and all of you that like to stick with the past and what worked best before, will never have it. The end. Game Over. GG.

Theres been a few comparisons between the only 2 cars in the same class in which one car had DSG (Audi TT 3.2 Quattro) and the other a sequential (BMW Z4 3.0 SMG). In every one i've read, the Z4 was the better car, and SMG was the better transmission. Squential gearboxes are also the perferred transmission of Ferrari, the most experienced performance car builder of our time. Dual clutch is the best VW has, so they're using it on the Veyron.

ok and those two cars arent the bugatti and have nothing to do with this...don't you think the transmission in the bugatti is just a liiittle bit different than that of the Quattro? And yes everyone has always used sequential gearboxes, so that means that's the best forever? idk man you seem to be stuck on old stuff, like the baby boomers stuck on hot rods.

I'm completely not following the posts on this thread but I would expect a lot more than 83 hp per cylinder if I were paying a million dollars for a car. I could do that for 4,000.

LOL, I swear you are all retarded,.......smart guy?...get it now or don't idc, you people can't comprehend a thing......I don't give a fawk about track times,.....about the bitch, whiners and complainers came out crying about .

What did I tell you about personal attacks????


ok and those two cars arent the bugatti and have nothing to do with this...don't you think the transmission in the bugatti is just a liiittle bit different than that of the Quattro? And yes everyone has always used sequential gearboxes, so that means that's the best forever? idk man you seem to be stuck on old stuff, like the baby boomers stuck on hot rods.

and yes one of the cars he listed has a lot to do with the Bugatti since Audi is part of the same WV group as Bugatti and the DSG transmission in the Quattro uses the same exact technology.


How hard is to understand that nothig about this car is that special. getting 1000Hp out of an 8L engine is a breeze using forced induction. Viper guys have been doing it for years using oldschool pushrod engines.

The DSG transmission it has its merits but obviously is considered not good enough to be used in top motor sports like F1, and the highest tech car manufacturers (BMW, Ferrari, Aston ETC) also chose not to use it and use instead F1 type sequentials.

I'm completely not following the posts on this thread but I would expect a lot more than 83 hp per cylinder if I were paying a million dollars for a car. I could do that for 4,000.

Well technically you are buying the "1000 hp out of the box car". I think that's where the price comes in. Bragging rights really.

I'm completely not following the posts on this thread but I would expect a lot more than 83 hp per cylinder if I were paying a million dollars for a car. I could do that for 4,000.

well two things about that: 1) you can't have 16 cylinders pushing 83 HP per cylinder for 4 grand. 2) 83 Hp per cylinder is a lot, and Bugatti says you can upgrade it a lot, but to sell as a passenger car, i'm sure they had to downgrade it. Cause you figure the Ligenfelter Vette with the 350 twin turbo puts out like 800 horses, put two of those together, take away some displacement, and I figure you could max the HP of the Buggati out around 1300 HP. Obviously that would be quite a feat in itself, but I think it could be done.

How hard is to understand that nothig about this car is that special. getting 1000Hp out of an 8L engine is a breeze using forced induction. Viper guys have been doing it for years using oldschool pushrod engines.


Yes, but can you buy a 1000HP 8.0L Viper off the lot? No. You all seem to think that the stock statistics are the best the engine can do. Now tell me one engine that you can't upgrade drastically. If this starts at 1000HP imagine what you could get it to, that's what's so special about it. See what I'm saying?

The DSG transmission it has its merits but obviously is considered not good enough to be used in top motor sports like F1, and the highest tech car manufacturers (BMW, Ferrari, Aston ETC) also chose not to use it and use instead F1 type sequentials.


Is it not considered good enough, or does VW/Audi have patents on it so no one else can duplicate it? because that's usually how things work, with patents. One company gets an idea, and others can't take it until they make their own version of it.

Yes, but can you buy a 1000HP 8.0L Viper off the lot? No. You all seem to think that the stock statistics are the best the engine can do. Now tell me one engine that you can't upgrade drastically. If this starts at 1000HP imagine what you could get it to, that's what's so special about it. See what I'm saying?

But I think you are missing something here. Who would buy a car for $1000000 and then mod it? I have a high doubt this will ever happen. Mostly because if you are going to mod a car, there are better cars to mod. Preferably cars that weight less the 4000+ pounds to start. Do you understand that more weight is detrimental in curved OR straight lines? People don't gut drag cars for no reason.

This is a touring-esque car. It's basically a car that is comfortable, can move quickly, and possibly do well on a track. (A DB7 for example) It's not something you will ever see at a drag race. It's not made to upgrade it, unless it's done by factory. (Now that I could see, say a dealer option, but again it's more of a bragging thing then anything else.) It is a bragging rights cars, and if I remember correctly that is why they even started the project to begin with. They just wanted to make a 1000 horsepower production car and nothing else. It is that kind of neat? Yeah sure. Is it useful? Probably not but then again if someone has $1000000 to throw around and picks this over say a Carrera GT, then he/she is just in it for the image.

I have a strong feeling you are simply just trolling this board for fun. Your replies make very little sense and you can't seem to stick to one argument at all. Sure signs of an internet troll.

Idk wtf an "internet troll" is but I think you gotta be a nerd to be using that word. You wanna know who would pay a mil for the car? the same people that would buy a 600,000 Bentley...there's nothing all that special about them, its just the name...only 300 Bugatti's are being produced, and all 300 have already been sold. And the point I made about the engine was to the guy who said that Vipers can get 1000 HP too, not you. Please give up, you can't sound intelligent, you just keep making 0 sense.

Who would buy a car for $1000000 and then mod it? I have a high doubt this will ever happen.


So, you, who hasnt made a bit of sense, doubts something, big deal. If I was a millionare, and I wanted the fastest engine to put in a race car...which do you think would be best? well gee could it be the most powerful engine on the market? or something less?

LOL, I swear you are all retarded, what sense did you just make, I won't ever hit a corner at 200 MPH, and I won't ever do a track race, wtf does that have to do with the Buggati smart guy?...get it now or don't idc, you people can't comprehend a thing...the engine is beyond great, the transmission is pretty cool, that's my opinion, that's all i'm trying to say...I don't give a fawk about track times, and no azn, if you squint a little harder, i'm not making a big deal out of it, as soon as i said anything about the bitch, whiners and complainers came out crying about "but its not good on the track, I like Mclarens" I dont give a sh*t what you like people, damn, I just like engineering involved in making the car, it's called innovation, only a few people have it, and all of you that like to stick with the past and what worked best before, will never have it. The end. Game Over. GG.


heres how it works

you said u would never go arround a track at 200mph in another post therefore it didnt matter to you

you also said u wont be driving on a track so that had no meaning to you either..

well u will never own or drive the bugatti therefore it should not matter to you either

and yes u are making a big deal about this.. you are cussing and making personal attacks on people which
1) you have no idea yourself and
2) have nothing to do with cars and yes believe it or not this IS a car forum

all they are doing is pointing out facts and opinions about the car that show that it isnt as great as u may think... if u think that is the best car in the world then thats great... u can have your own opinon dont call other people shits for thinking its not great...

maybe a W16 will be popular in the future who knos... but how many companies have actually used this technology? hardly any... there isnt enought research and experience with the W cylinder set up and there fore there is probably going to be a number of issues... there are also WAY more moving parts than in a 12 cylinder itself... this makes the chance of the problems even greater

So, you, who hasnt made a bit of sense, doubts something, big deal. If I was a millionare, and I wanted the fastest engine to put in a race car...which do you think would be best? well gee could it be the most powerful engine on the market? or something less?

first off... u arent a millionaire... second, you said u would never race on a track, so why get a race car?

and if u wanted the fastest engine the bugatti probably wouldnt be it... like they already said... people easily make over 1000 hp with a v8 and even some v6's... which weigh much less than a w16 and cost less.... so if u do feel like modding the w16 if u were a millionair... good luck finding parts

Could you imagine how much the value would drop on that thing if you do mod it? And yeah I've seen how it works. Still not impressed.
Besides people with that money don't buy fast cars. They're idiots like Jay Leno that buy crate engines and 800 hp 700 pound tank engines and think they're car gods.

Yes, but can you buy a 1000HP 8.0L Viper off the lot? No. You all seem to think that the stock statistics are the best the engine can do. Now tell me one engine that you can't upgrade drastically. If this starts at 1000HP imagine what you could get it to, that's what's so special about it. See what I'm saying?


If the buggati starts at 1000 hp, guess what you can get out of it....NOTHING. that is exactly waht you'll be able to upgrade it to. Did you even bothered to read of the articles about it. One of their biggest problems is generating enough cooloing for those 1000HP while still maintaining enough downforce for high speed runs.

So if you try to get more than that it will blow.


Idk wtf an "internet troll" is but I think you gotta be a nerd to be using that word. You wanna know who would pay a mil for the car? the same people that would buy a 600,000 Bentley...there's nothing all that special about them, its just the name...only 300 Bugatti's are being produced, and all 300 have already been sold. And the point I made about the engine was to the guy who said that Vipers can get 1000 HP too, not you. Please give up, you can't sound intelligent, you just keep making 0 sense.


And what you were saing about facts? Somehow we keep proving you wrong constatly so let me do it again. Read the article I posted: only 50 orders have been made (so not sold just ordered). How did you get to your magical number of 300 being sold?

And btw don't make yourself feel special, intenet troll is a very common expression on forums and it has nothing to do with being a nerd. So if you feel that you are so much better than us feel free to leave anytime.

LOL, oh wow, you all contradict yourselves so much its funny, your article is old, and Neutrino, you are joking right? you think 1000Hp is the most that engine can put out? wow thats amazing that you said that...and first you people say its nothing special, then you point out how no one else has W engine technology...what do you think, that makes it bad? lol here's a tip: Open your mind to new ideas lol, i've never seen so many closed minded people. And how am I making a big deal? I'm just repeating myself over and over again lol, and when no one gets it after 5 times, i think its safe to say ur retarded. The day a quad-turbo engine is "nothing special", you obviously have no clue about what makes a car go. If you open ur mind, you can see it's a start to a new era of engines...before V12 was the largest feasible engine, anything bigger wouldn't work, and now they made a W16 work damn well, and you think nothing of it...well what could YOU do better, since you all talk so much shit lol.

i think its safe to say ur retarded.


I warned you twice about name calling and personal attacks. So guess what this is your third strike. Banned for a week. Be warned if you don't clean up your act upon your return the ban will be permanent.

And btw don't make yourself feel special, intenet troll is a very common expression on forums and it has nothing to do with being a nerd. So if you feel that you are so much better than us feel free to leave anytime.


BTW, don't make myself feel special? what's that mean? and here's how this works: if you say things on here that no one says in person, then I think you're a little too into the internet, and you're lacking a bit of a life. But hey that's my opinion, what do I know, I seem to think a 1000HP car from the factory is something special, that's crazy right? ... ... ......................................because its so common .... .....rofl

Wow, banned for an indirect, not personal, attack. Good job, I see plently of mod's going off on people, swearing and calling names, yet they are still mod's...odd don't you think? :screwy:

he deserved it... he took well stated opinions and strait facts and turned them arround and made them into something their not..

i said that the w engine was not very developed yet because basically no one uses them... the more experience you have with something the more errors you correct. i think basically all car companies have a v engine and they are developed very well..

its just like the rotary engine... when it first came out, it was a pos, when the design itself is actually superior to a cylinder engine imo with very few moving parts, but mazda or anyone else had experience with the motor... im pretty sure the rx8 will have far superior reliability than the often complaints on the rx7 and still produce a good amount of power because they have well over a decade of experience with rotaries now

Wow, banned for an indirect, not personal, attack. Good job, I see plently of mod's going off on people, swearing and calling names, yet they are still mod's...odd don't you think? :screwy:


Well hello again 3000GT_Formula_350. What you thought we don't log Ip adresses?

Your information has been logged now, by re registering you have further breached the guidelines and now both your names will be permanently banned. If you will attempt to register again your attempts to abuse the forum and your information will be delivered to your ISP.

EDIT: Just so you know you were banned because you have continued to ignore my warnings. And it was only a temporary ban but you decided to come back and make a fuss about it.