what da ya think: vr4 vs buick gs 455

my buddy just came back from spokane yesterday and finally got his
1970 buick gs 455 done.
he has no headers(he says there's no room for headers) and its been bored, how much i'm not sure and niether is he. his dad had some one beef it up a little for him.

i got into it today and it sounds like a monster should sound. it was wet today and he peeled out for 2 blocks, seriously.

engine was completly rebuilt from the ground up and is in showroom condition.

oooh yeeah, you know were gonna race and it will be within 3 weeks, this i will put on the movie. but what do you guys think? weve been in eachother's cars and we both don't know who's gonna win.
one from a roll and one from stand still (viscous realtime 4 baby :evillol: )

whatcha guys think?

i have no idea what the stats on a car like that would be but from a dig i would expect you'd get the jump on him and be gone by the time his wheels are done spinning. Any old domestic with a big block or new motor WILL be trouble though, at least until it comes time to take turns hard

Im voting vr-4 but thats just because im horribly biased :)

1970 Buick GS Stage I [email protected] 455 Stage I 360hp automatic 3.64 MT 1/70

damm should be a good run lets see what happens.. i think he might eat you he he know how to drive just make sure your boosting 12+psi this time lol
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ahh thanks for the specs... i think this will be close from both a roll and a dig. I wouldn't look too much into drivetrain loss in a roll which too many people are biased on (as im sure you can tell by the vr4 vs rsx thread). I think if hes a good driver he will pose a pretty big threat to you.

damm should be a good run lets see what happens.. i think he might eat you he he know how to drive just make sure your boosting 12+psi this time lol
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oh yeah, i stay at 14.5 psi all day now

i don't know this thing is a monster

I dont really know what your car runs in the 1/4, but from your previous threads my guess would be around a mid 12. If his motor is bored then the pistons were changed and some slightly higher compression pistons were probably put in. The bore and added compression wil give the horsepower a good bump and the came/intake has probably been changed as well if it sounds mean. The only problem I see in his car is it doesnt have headers. If this car ran 13.4 in 1970, with the mods he has and the better tires of today, my vote goes to him through the 1/4 mile from a stop and a roll. Anything over a 1/4 mile I think youd pretty much leave him. Just my :2cents:

Rob

Edit: I just found some new information.

http://www.fast-autos.net/buick/buickgs455.html

510 ft lbs of torque.... more now with his mods. Provided he can get the car to hook im fairly certain he is gonna get you through the 1/4 mile.

thanks for the info man, i wouldn't doubt it if he took me in the 1320, jesus christ that things got a lot of torque

I'd say the biggest factor is going to be can he get that torque monster to hook?

AWD we know you are going to hook..... Stock the GS Stage 1 455 made 510ft/lbs of torque who knows what he is making now but with the right suspension set-up he has more than enough to lift the front tires with the wrong he'll do nothing but sit there and burn them up. Basically I hope he has some real fucking wide tires or slicks on the back of it. lol

If he can hook reasonbly well and let the torque of that 455 to get his heavy boat out of the hole instead of just burning the tires up he should make it very interesting.

At least you can say your car is the lighter one in the race... I bet that doesn't happen much!!!!

BTW post pics of it Buick GS Stage 1 is oneof my favorite cars!

def, i'll do that. yeah i also think that if he knows how to drive that thing then it will be interesting. but if he doesn't know what he's doing then i might end up with a kill.
all in all its gonna be good fun, looser fills tank :)

anyon else distracted by GTStang's avatar...? j/p i hope that your friend can hook his rear end...cause that will make some nice movie footage! lol

i would love to see a vid of that car, more so HEAR it. like gtstang said, you actually have the lighter car this time. thats weird.

Man, good luck.

I was fortunate enought to take Autoshop this summer (just graduated) and I helped a man named Carlos drop a 455 into his Buick GS....I don't know much about it cept that we put edelbrock carbs, Hooker headers, and titanium valves/lifters on it. The project took a little over a month for us to complete, but when it was done and we fired it up, it shot 3 ft. flames out of the carb and the backfire set off car alarms 200 ft. away. Damn near popped my ear drums. Once we got the engine to fire correctly (we had the spark plug wires out of order, lol), that thing sounded AMAZING, like nothing I have ever heard in my entire life. It was scary, honestly.

So yea, I believe that 2 block burnout (this guy had 245's on the back) because I saw something similar to it. It also had no exhaust(but at least headers), and I seriously doubt you taking it from a standing start if he hooks. I now have personal experience with it (dropping it in was tough, but damn fun), and I am just rambling on now because I have nothing more to say besides GET IT ON TAPE!

My :2cents:

lol, well today from a standstill he just punched it, though he has ver good tires on the car, brand new, he just sat there and burned and slowly went forward leaving a black strip for about 30-40 ft. it was smoking all in his car. but from the power i felt, it seems like its gonna be close

Hopefully he gets a horrible launch. I'm rooting for the VR-4.

The 1970 GS455 are sick cars. I don't know if you can take him. I don't think that he'll know how to launch the car though. If he doesn't have drag radials, you will likely win, but if he does, i'd think that you will see his tailights. He's definititely got more power then you (Sheesh those cars were close to Hemi powered). Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

I think the enormous torque of the car is going to work in your advantage, becuase he's probably never going to get it to hook up (like everybody else has said), BUT if he does get it to hook, then I think you're in serious trouble, becuase a big block just don't give up, lol.

You can very lightly mod those things and get them way down in the 7 second range at an 1/8th mile track. My uncle had a 67 SS Chevelle with a 454 bored .030, mild cam, slightly bigger valves, and it ran like 7.10 in the 1/8th in a Chevelle that was fully stock (powerglyde trans. and slicks-but full interior and no fiberglass), so those old big blocks are pretty tough man!

I'm going to go out on a limb, and say dead even If you both are good drivers. I think the pressure is on you for a good launch.

This is similar to a race i had. I have a pure stock 92 vette that gets 13s. I was racing this guy with a 1970 cougar with a 351 cleaveland big block. He was getting ~430 hp to the tires. I got nearly 3 cars in first gear, but he came back to win in less than a 1/4 mile. It was the craziest race i've had.

When those things hook, they literally snap your neck back. I mean, 500+lbs of torque (in the 455)! Thats enough to tow a small yacht....lol.

Holy crap dude! I can't wait for this video to come out. No matter who wins, it wil be absoulutely awesome to watch. I'm rooting for the Buick, but maybe I'm just a muscle-head at heart :)

BTW, the 351 Cleveland is a small-block

BTW, the 351 Cleveland is a small-block

Yes and no.... this is a very argued questions.

There are a ton of sites and books that will call it a big block. There are a ton of sites and books that call it a small block. I'd tend to want to call it a big block cause of the 351W having the same cubes and much smaller block and head castings while the 351C block casting has also been used to make a 400 the 351W goes no bigger from Ford. But the bottom line is Ford has never declared it a big block or a small block so everybody is right! Isn't that such a nice concept? lol

Okay, okay. You obviously have done more research than me. I've just never heard it referred to as a big block before