Headers vs Manifolds

I want to get a turbo header for my 95 tsi. Will there be a noticeable preformance increase? What can I expect? I was looking at a Pace Setter header for like $140. Whats the difference between the and $500 ones.

Thanks

Travis

go with a ported out evo mani. it wont crack and fits stock turbo

It's called an exhaust manifold on a turbo car. Why do you want to upgrade? The only reason to get a different manifold is if you are going with a T3 manifold for a garrett turbo. You can get yours ported, but I doubt you are at that level yet.

You sure that pacesetter is for a turbo car?

the tubular exhaust headers are only used on our cars to convert to non mistu turbos. from what i know they are more likely to crack than a manifold and are a lot more expensive. pacesetter is cheap for a reason.

The pacesetter is for a turbo car 10.5. Its kinda cheap though. I know SBR was going to sell them, until they saw them. ;) I would take a 2g, EVO, or SBR cast manifold over that thign any day. I run the SFP tubular manifold with no problems, but only because I'm running a t3/t4.

kevin is the sbr new cast mani ported out more than capable of running 11s? how come you went with a t3/t4

The SBR manifold is insanely nice, and is probably more than most of us will ever need. Go to SBR's website and look at some of the pictures of their manifold compared to some other manifolds. You will be able to see for yourself why I said they are insanely nice :).

A full garret turbo like the one Kevin is using requires a special manifold because the bolts and bolt patterns are not like the mitsubishi turbos. Basically, if you buy a full garret t3/t4, then you will have to also buy a new manifold and I think a new o2 sensor housing that will match up to the t3/t4.

I have heard from alot of ppl that pacesetter is junk. Make sure you research about it before you buy.

Good Luck!

The 2g manifold is capable of 10's. The huge ball bearing FP turbos use the stock manifold! Kevin went with a T34 manifold because he has a T3/T4 to bolt onto it, it's a different bolt pattern.

I'm running my mid 10's on a 2G mani that I ported the living crap out of.

i was just curiuos to know why he went with the t3/t4 turbo and not a mitsu.

Because the biggest mitsu turbo we use flows 44lbs/min, and his flows 75lbs/min.

75 lbs/min.... damn Kevin, no wonder your shit is always breaking! ;)

kevin waht is the lag comparison between the t3/t4 and a 20g?

There are very few bolt on turbos that flow up where mine does, but the SBR GT14 is 65 lbs/min, and I think the FP3575 uses the same wheel as mine, or one that flows very similar. A bigger reason for me to go t3/t4 was because parts for them are very cheap. My turbo only costs like 600 bucks to build ;) The bolt ons are more expensive, the FP turbos are very expensive when you factor in the 44mm WG and special O2 housing.

The 20g on the 2 liter motor (tdo6h 20g) hit 25 psi by ~3800 rpm in third. A tdo5h 20g will come on a little quicker, 3500ish. My current turbo uses a very alrge T4 O trim wheel in a .82 housing, so I dont see 25 psi until around 5000 rpm even on the 2.4 liter ;)

2g manifolds have gone veyr fast, and the SBR manifold is a little better than the EVO mani. The EVO3 manifolds are about to become much more expensive, so SBR made thier own custom casting. Its esentially a ported EVO3 right out of the box. It also has a thicker flange to space large compressor covers away from the motor so you dnt have to dent the water pipe, etc. High quality cast material, etc. You really cant go wrong with any of the stock manifolds except the 1gs, with arent quite as good.

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