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Everyone seems to hate jeff gordon. why is this? from what i know he is a pretty good guy. he doesn't drive dirty like jr. he doesn't have temper problems like stewart. so why does every one hate him?

as jeff foxworthy says. he anouciates. or maybe cuz hes from cali. not to far from where i am right now

Dosen't drive dirty like jr.? Are you kidding me. Do we not remember bristol back when he hit Wallace so he can win? Jr. isn't a dirty driver my friend. How can you say such a thing? And i hate him because hes over rated, plus he had a rainbow on his car...major flamer. As the song Jeff Gordons Gay explaings

I don't really think that any racecar driver can be called for "racing dirty" except when they intentionally wreck them for personal reasons or for no reason at all. If you bump a guy out of the way, that's just racing. If you're going for a position, and you accidentally wreck somebody because they were slower than you and didn't move, that's just racing. If you wreck somebody on purpose on Turn 4 of the last lap to win, that's just racing. If you wreck somebody on purpose at a non-pivotal point in the race, *then* it's dirty. If you beat on somebody's car for emotional reasons, *then* it's dirty. Racing is dangerous, and wrecks happen, but that's one of the beauties of stock-car racing. You can put your car where it's supposed to go, no matter who happens to be occupying the space at the time. No pulling up short because your open wheels might get tangled up and you'd screw yourself in the process (although open-wheel racing has its own beauties).

I don't hate Gordon, but my dad doesn't like him for the fact that he acted all religous and was having an affair on his wife with a playboy bunny.

Care to back up that claim with some documented proof (i.e. associated press articles or something of the like) because as I recall Jeff and Brooke split up over more serious issues (most notably Jeff's increasingly bitter temperment after Ray Evernham left Hendricks and the #24 team went into a winless streak).

Not to mention, Jeff is a guy who does believe wholeheartedly in his faith. That he's also a regular guy (as regular a guy as NASCAR's winningest active driver + NASCAR's #1 money winner) who enjoys his life and the rewards being good at his craft has brought is just ancillary.

hes just a fruitcake and a whiney little baby. remember when he tore a chunk out martinsvill and he was crying and begging mike helton to let his team break the rules and work on the car during the red flag.

hes just a fruitcake and a whiney little baby. remember when he tore a chunk out martinsville and he was crying and begging mike helton to let his team break the rules and work on the car during the red flag. and everyone knows hes gay, i dont care if he was maried to brook or not, hes still kissed Jimmie Johnson more then her anyway.

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wooow powertools.. u really dont like jeff gordon do u. i dont like him... but i dont not like him that much (if that makes any sense)

Dosen't drive dirty like jr.? Are you kidding me. Do we not remember bristol back when he hit Wallace so he can win?
happened twice.

he may not be a fan favorite but, you have to admit, he's one heck of a driver. 4-time Winston Cup (or Nextel Cup) Champion, 70 Career wins, including 3 Daytona 500 Victories. At his rate, he's only 4 Daytona 500 victories behind King Richard. To put him in the same caliber as Petty, Earnhardt Sr., Cale Yarborough, and others, is hard to swallow for some. But he has proven himself to be a champion, a skilled driver, and a good teammate. Hendrick Motorsports is a respectable team and has proven themselves to be great despite adversity and sadly, tragedy. And if you all remember, in the 80s and 90s when Dale Earnhardt Sr. was at the peak of his career, he wasn't too liked among his peers. He and Darrell Waltrip were neck and neck many times wrecking each others cars. But no matter what, Earnhardt found a way to win, and love him or hate him, you've gotta respect Dale Earnhardt Sr. for what he has accomplished in his career. So the same with Jeff Gordon, he's not a fan favorite because he wins so many races. If I were to put money on races, I'd put money on him every race because you can always count on him being up front. At the rate that Gordon is going, he'll exceed Earnhardt's career win total of 76 by the end of this season. Is he better than Dale Earnhardt? No, but his success is comparable to that of Earnhardt and he encountered similar fan reaction to his success because people in general don't like on team or person dominating a particular sport. Some people don't like the New York Yankees, the L.A. Lakers, the Bulls of the 90s because they won all the time. If you have what it takes to be successful and you can do it, year in, year out, do it.

I like him alot better then i did 2 years ago. I lost all respect for Gordon after the Pepsi 400 of 2001. He said i quote "Nascar let jr when that won" "He didn't deserver to win" The kids dad died at that track a few months b4 and he didn't deserve to win, and nascar let him win. But after the betting he took from the media he has "matured alot" Know i like him now cause he is more lied back. I want to see him jump in a F1 car for a actual race though.

wonder boy is a good driver i hate to say but my boy bobby isnt doing to much this year so far lol.

The reason Jeff is so dispised is because he used to win. A LOT. He was entering the sport when all the giants were failing miserably. It was just fate he happened to step in at the wrong time. Thats why there is a mass following that can't stand him. Same goes for Dale Jr.. The guy will never be taken as seriously as his old man. And if you're old enough to remember, Sr. was'nt liked very much in the beginning of his career for the same reasons either. It becomes a passing of the torch at this point, New people to nascar go to a race and hear Jeff booed. So they boo.

Dale Sr and Darell Waltrip were both hated by the fans.

The difference is that Dale Sr. had wayyyy more fans that liked him as opposed to ones that hated him...whereas jeff gordon, the split seems to be 50/50 lol.

The Jeff Gordon love/hate split really disappears once you get into states that touch the Great Lakes. Then you see a ton of Gordon fans because he's one of our own. He's a Northern/Midwest USAC sprint & midget driver who went down south and swatted around the stock car boys.

Jeffy only did two things differently from his predecessor, the incomparable Timmy Richmond:

1: Jeff didn't go shooting off his mouth. Timmy was a helluva driver and was better than 99% of everyone in NASCAR at the time (and Bill Elliot, Dale Earnhardt, Darrell Waltrip, Rusty Wallace, and Mark Martin all admitted to it) but he always felt he had to announce the fact to everyone.

True story. Timmy Richmond was the 1976 Rookie of the Year AND Supermodified Track Champion at Sandusky Speedway. The first race of the year, he TQ'ed and said to the crowd "You don't know me now, but soon you're all going to talk about me."

2: Jeff is living out a full career. Timmy's weakness was a love of wild living. He drank, smoked, and cavorted with as many women as money could impress (after all, he was not only a multiple Winston Cup winner and Rookie of the Year, he was also a winning Indy driver and Indy 500 Rookie of the Year). This would be his undoing as Timmy died in 1989 of AIDS. NASCAR has since buried Tim's star in the sport and only recently has awareness of him grown through fan activism.

http://www.gordonline.com/feature/timrichmond.html
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2803/tim_rich.html
http://www.insiderracingnews.com/pk/072603.html

If you're a fan of NASCAR, please take a moment to understand the man who brought "Yankees" into NASCAR and paved the way for the open wheel revolution of the modern era. Without Tim Richmond, there would be no Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Ryan Newman, Mike Bliss, Kasey Kahne, Dave Blaney, John Andretti, Casey Mears, J.J. Yeley, Jason Leffler, or Tracey Hines.

Timmy Richmond. 1978 USAC Rookie of the Year, 13 Winston Cup wins, 4 at Pocono, driver of the Hendricks Motorsports #25 Folgers Monte Carlo. Deeply missed.

http://www.racercity.com/members/mysite/jesuszone//96richmond55vogler.jpg
http://www.grantwcooper.com/tr/timdale.jpg
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*cough* mario andretti winning the '67 daytona 500 *cough*

Yes, Mario Andretti, Parnelli Jones, and Jim Hurtibise all had stellar NASCAR and Indy careers. However, they were neither series regulars nor did they shift team owners' viewpoints to scout open wheel drivers rather than latemodel stock car and modified drivers into NASCAR seats.

Timmy Richmond did.

I still don't think it's correct to say that Tim Richmond "started it all" in the 1980's.

Find me evidence of one Northern/Midwestern open wheel driver scouted by a major team as a full time driver who found immediate success in NASCAR prior to Tim Richmond and his career with Raymond Beadle's Blue Max/Old Milwaukee team (coincidentally, also the team Rusty Wallace drove for under Alugard colors) and I'll agree with you.

Okay, first off, that is NOT what I'm saying...you make it seem like Tim Richmond INVENTED open wheel success intertwined with stock car success, and that's not true.

I never said Tim Richmond was the first successful crossover driver. That's obviously untrue (not to mention insulting to the Indy success of Smokey Yunick and Jim Rathman). I said he was the first driver to make open wheel to stock cars a CAREER switch and was the first driver to prove to team owners that they should look to the USAC ranks for drivers.

Before Richmond, Indy drivers would try stock cars as one-off drives or for money races (like the Daytona 500 or Southern 500) but Indy was the career to have and before Richmond every USAC driver was prime Indy material. After Timmy, Rick Hendrick realized a USAC driver was perfect for NASCAR, and he found a young bright-eyed Indiana youth with an absolute desire to win and a friendly genuine personality. This was Jeff Gordon, and the rest is history.

Hmmm...I'm still having trouble seeing what Jiffy and Timmy had in common, since Jiffy never raced indies...Tony I could see, but even he took awhile to be successful in stock cars...I just think it's more of an evolution thing...as the sport gets older, the lines between the different racing series get more and more blurred.

The common link is USAC. USAC. USAC. I don't know how much more I can emphasize that.

Tim Richmond was a USAC driver. He drove sprints (the sprint picture I posted earlier was of Tim battling with the late sprint car ace Rich Vogler) and was taken from the sprints into Indy cars. In the early 80's - before CART decided it was time to clusterfuck American open wheel racing - that was the natural progression of the sport. A USAC driver simply didn't drive stock cars. It was, quite frankly, considered insulting to the sport.

On the NASCAR side, USAC drivers were Yankees. We weren't welcome because we were accustomed to racing being a glamourous sport of the elite because of our close association with Indy. NASCAR associated USAC drivers with snobs. In fact, it's sort of the same way as how NASCAR views international road racing.

Then one of our brightest stars at the time, a man who could have won Indy, decided that an oppurtunity to drive a stock car was just too interesting to pass up. He drove the stock cars, enjoyed them, won in them, and impressed just about everyone he raced with or against. After that, NASCAR team owners were convinced that USAC drivers would bring their teams more success. Without Timmy Richmond showing that USAC drivers' skill far outweighed the "sissy boy" image, and without Timmy Richmond showing that stock car racing could be enjoyed as a challenge even compared to Indy, the list of drivers I posted would have not even been considered for NASCAR rides.

And while I'd rather they were all at Indy, where we belong, it's Timmy's legacy that they're kicking the tar out of traditional NASCAR drivers.

Just because they both drove in USAC doesn't mean they arrived the same way...I mean USAC covers such a broad spectrum of racing, it's hard to believe that it is considered just one sanctioning body.
And while I'd rather they were all at Indy, where we belong, it's Timmy's legacy that they're kicking the tar out of traditional NASCAR drivers.
I'll be sure to mention that to Kurt Busch (2004 nextel cup champion and former southwest tour series driver) and Jimmie Johnson (2004 nextel cup series runner-up, former CORR champion, and ASA rookie of the year) next time I see them :iceslolan