Integra VS 240sx

What do you guys think is better, Integra or 240sx? Which would win in a race? How about autocross wise?

Gotta go with the 240sx

i'm gonna say the 240 too...gotta love the RWD

RWD!!!

Meaning obviously 240sx

I like the Jap sil-eighty (180sx)

It's kinda the same as the 240sx but it's jap!!!

240sx 200sx 180sx are all lovely lil drifters seen a 180sx monster at a car show set for drags but it was never raced so nobody knows its potential plus its a rare car around here. The owner said his g-force pro estimates over 800 lbs at the wheels thats scary stuff.

i figured that would be the most common response. What does the 180 come with engine wise? Factory hp?

The One-Eighty is only the Hatch Right?

i would go with the 240sx due to a couple reasons, it is rwd, it is a nissan, and it looks better. i know the s13 had a hatchback body style, one of my buddies has one.

In a drag race, an Integra GSr is faster than the American version of the 240sx. As for a racing chassis...depending on who you ask, FWD is good enough for racing. I've attended many road races and I've seen alot of FWD outhandle rwd (and vice versa). It's all about the driver...some people can drive a FWD car really good, others are use to RWD and prefer thier slippery corner entrance :dunno:

As for drifting...I don't wanna talk about drifting

Altough I would prefer a 240sx with an SR20 over a GSR, I have to admit, I had alot of fun when I had a GSR :)

ummm, you are the first person i have heard about saying fwd is better than rwd for racing. a true racecar driver knows how to drive a car and therefor goes with rwd because it is a better set-up.

Like I said, some people drive FWD better than RWD, it's driving style. The past 3 years, I've been learning how to control FWD through canyon roads, I can't drive RWD.

Here's a good example, V8's will put out more power than 4 cylenders, it does'nt mean that there are'nt performance oriented 4 cylender engines in production, and it also does'nt mean a 4 cylender can't out-power a V8.

In RWD 50/50 is desirable, in FWD the weight balance it totally up to the driver. I know road racers who raec FWD and prefer somethin clser to 70/30 because the throw the rear around in turns sometimes (not drifting, just a small bit of slip to get the car to rotate)

a true racecar driver knows how to drive a car and therefor goes with rwd because it is a better set-up.


Explain to me why a RWD car is better in handling than a FWD car. *not drifting, this is'nt about drifting

If FWD cars were good than wouldnt the Grand Prix or Nascar cars be either rwd or fwd? fwd cars are coo to a point. ive had my share of both cars and can handle both appropriatley. integra818 is totally right about how some drivers prefer fwd over rwd and vise versa and how it depends on the driver... i would go with the depends on the driver if both cars were equal. the integ puts more power to the ground but torque should be about the same right? by the way amatures at home dont attempt to prove either car as the better car :D that was a disclaimer btw

Also in the title of this thread it obviously implies both cars stock wise and both are 4 cylinders dont forget!

If FWD cars were good than wouldnt the Grand Prix or Nascar cars be either rwd or fwd?

It's a good thing you braight that up, I WAS going to say that many of the touring cars in Europe are FWD, but it's that way because of the rules set in the series, I guess it's the same reason whay NASCAR is rwd.

If ya ask me, Mid-engine RWD is the best ;)


FWD cars were made because of low production cost, and interior space (if I left something out, tell me). That was 30-40 years ago when the first mini was out, it's different nowadays. Companies like Honda are making FWD performance cars because there are people interesting in racing FWD. I like the idea of RWD better, it's logical, but I don't think I'll ever get into RWD...I'll just end up learning with Hondas more and more.

think about it, for one, it is easier to push through a corner than to pull through a corner. also, with your front tires steering the car around and then you put power through the front tires, then there are two factors looking for traction. in rwd, the rear tires takes the power and the front tires can steer. also, you can correct understeer/oversteer with rwd.

think about it, for one, it is easier to push through a corner than to pull through a corner. also, with your front tires steering the car around and then you put power through the front tires, then there are two factors looking for traction. in rwd, the rear tires takes the power and the front tires can steer. also, you can correct understeer/oversteer with rwd.

Easier to push through a corner than to pull through it? I'm not bieng sarcastic, but I'm interested...what kind of circuit racing do you do? I want to know where you're learning this stuff...

In road racing with a FWD if you're turning and you stomp on the gas, you're not likley to spin the tires and go off...what can happen is something called torque steer. It's when you're turning and yo get on the gas and the car (FWD) tries to go straight. Most of the time, you won't over-power the tires through a turn if you're running racing tires, like RA1s or Hoosiers.

think about it, for one, it is easier to push through a corner than to pull through a corner. also, with your front tires steering the car around and then you put power through the front tires, then there are two factors looking for traction. in rwd, the rear tires takes the power and the front tires can steer. also, you can correct understeer/oversteer with rwd.

Easier to push through a corner than to pull through it? I'm not bieng sarcastic, but I'm interested...what kind of circuit racing do you do? I want to know where you're learning this stuff...

In road racing with a FWD if you're turning and you stomp on the gas, you're not likley to spin the tires and go off...what can happen is something called torque steer. It's when you're turning and yo get on the gas and the car (FWD) tries to go straight. Most of the time, you won't over-power the tires through a turn if you're running racing tires, like RA1s or Hoosiers.

You CAN correct oversteer/understeer with a RWD, you can also correct oversteer/understeer with a FWD car, it's the same concept, I'll explain if you want me to.

the fastest FWD car ive ever driven was an 01 prelude SH and it was a f**ing great drive. EVERYONE have their own opinions. I just hope that everyone thats bringing theirs up have actually driven more than their own car and by that I dont mean the family minivan. For the best way to learn how to handle all cars the best job is as a Lot porter!!! lol that was an awsome job and i got so much exprience with integs mustangs z28's and so on. to me if you cant drive through spaces that only allow half inch on both sides of clearance than kick back on the posting :P Other wise get a friend that works a dealership and go in during a weekday because weekends are busy so dont go fLuck up their sales. go in and test drive whatever you want. and beat a shizzles out of them ;) and remember go during the week :D(i only brought this up because the rest of you guyz plus me have helped take this thread off topic lol)

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=682810


I did'nt attend this event, but it's what my normal week is like. We raced today (satuerday) and I'm gonna wake up tommorw at 4 so we can go to the track for the second day.

*after tommorw afternon I'm flying out of the country after the race ,so I won't be able to chat anymore :(

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=924147


It tok me an hour to find pics of our car on Honda-tech.com

In the link, the first pic (black integra) is my friend, second pic (red/black civic) is my dad, we go road-racing about once maybe twice a month.


I don't know a whole lot, but I've learned a few things about FWD/RWD handling when watching cars at the track, and that's why I was saying...whatever I was saying ( I forgot)

if you are a good racer, you won't spin your tires and go off in a rwd car either. plus, when you accelerate fast enough, the weight of the car shifts backwards, putting most of the weight on the rear wheels and taking off of the front wheels. so to me, that would make me think the front wheels are more likely to loose traction.

Re topic:
No doubts about it. S14. But please replace that 2.4 with the SR20DET...
Or the S13, doing the same thing. The S13 that we have in the states sucks...

if you are a good racer, you won't spin your tires and go off in a rwd car either. plus, when you accelerate fast enough, the weight of the car shifts backwards, putting most of the weight on the rear wheels and taking off of the front wheels. so to me, that would make me think the front wheels are more likely to loose traction.

:rolleyes: :dunno: If that's what you wanna believe.

Integra818, are you serious? You honestly believe that FWD is superior to RWD in a performance comparison?

Wow... well lets start w/ Drag racing:

1. On a launch, the weight shifts from the front to the back, in a FWD car that would be away from the drive wheels which cause less traction, on a RWD car it aids traction.

How about on a road course in a race prepped car:

2. When cornering, and especially on a high power application, the more power you apply to a FWD car when on throttle, the worst its handling characteristics are. Power on the front wheels will cause understeer. But on a RWD car it can cause oversteer, which is alot more desirable, and isnt much a problem with a balanced car. More power when cornering can improve the handling characteristics of a RWD car.

What about braking?:

3. Everyone knows on a road course when braking from high speeds for a low speed corner you put the most stress on your front brakes. Do you really want your front wheels to be responsible for steering, braking and accelerating. Theres just not as much balance w/ a FWD car.

And we havent even gotten to drifting...

FWD is economical, and safer for the majority of the public who shouldnt be trusted with the control of a RWD car. Its also cheaper to make...