how much would YOU pay?

Im going to be selling my prelude and I want to know how much I can get for it. it is a 98 SH.... but it has a JDM OBD1 H22A in it mated to a H23 tranny. Has spoon mapped ECU, AEM short ram intake, AEM fuel rail, small dent in the hood - needs tires soon... 71k miles... car has alot of potential. I need a realistic number on what I can get for it... i looked on KBB.com for the private party value with the stock motor and in decent shape and it came to $10k. i know the value will be lowered a bit with the JDM motor... but you would think someone would actually pay more for that. I need to have this car sold by like November 1st. There are a few things wrong but they will be taken care of by then - just a few minor wiring issues and a wheel problem that I am fixing by replacing the wheel hub / bearing / lug studs. the new motor only has 35k miles, and the tranny has 60k or so... oh - also has a brand new clutch / distributor / spark plugs / vacuum connections / engine wiring

why the h23 tranny??

anyways. sell it to some high school kid with ambitions of racing. they don't know any better.

h23 tranny cuz it isn't much different and it was cheaper. you also make it sound like the car is a POS... lol "Sell it to some high school kid - they don't know any better".... its a good car... just needs to be finished. I had it running but the wheel is having an issue which i am going to fix... and the wiring has to be finished up along with plugging in the new ECU...

no no no no, you misunderstood me, or i came across unclearly.

the reason i said sell it to some high school kid is because a lot of the time, they are highly uneducated and will dish out more money than someone older. NOT ALL high school kids are like that, in case some high school kid gets offended now, but some guy might just dish out more simply because it has an h22 instead of considering the other flaws (i.e. dents, lude weight, etc.) adults will consider the fact that the performance parts probably mean lots of racing. a high school kid probably won't care. the younger demographic is...well...not as smart as the older one. marketing firms know that very well, now you do too :D

good answer :smokin: so i should target the younger crowd with mommy and daddys money.... good call. not as easy to do though... and also i was just looking for a ballpark price figure that i could get for the car... can i get $8500 for it? cuz thats what I owe.

Like, for instance.... if i posted it on ebay... what would it run up to.

$8500 for it?

Without a doubt. You can go even higher than that.

I'm 18 and I would only give u $6-7,000 dollars NO MORE...(actually I wouldn't even BUY IT)

reasons has 2nd motor,h23 tranny?? (will cause major problems later ON) etc. etc. etc.

good luck selling it...

umm... tell me this... how the HELL would that cause problems later on? the H23 tranny has the same bolt pattern / housing / etc.. just a slight difference in gearing. the problematic ATTS is gone... the car is more reliable now then it was before.
If you wanna know the truth... i wouldn't even SELL you the car. you obviously don't know enough about the car for me to trust you with it. It has sentimental value to me because i put so much time / research / effort / blood into that car. The only reason i AM selling it is because I am moving to California and can't afford to take it with me. For you to tell me that the car is only worth 6-7k is an insult to me and my work on the car. Think before you speak.

Yeah, that was retarded, you can definitely get $8500 for the car without a problem. I'd say no less than $9000. The best thing to do when selling is to shoot high and then get an offer that is more around what you want. (i.e. say 10K or best offer and then take an $8500 offer)

for sure, you shouldn't loose money on the car. i paid 10k for a 97 with 97k. thats literally blue book price. you shouldn't have any problem selling it for 7-9k

so i ask 10.... get maybe 9... sounds good. I'll post it as soon as I get back to GA and start working on it. I'm buying all of the remaining parts i need - next week - so they will be there when i get back on like october 16th or so... that gives me like 15 days to fix it and sell it. think I can do it? anyone in the GA area wanna help? :-P

sorry to tell u BUDDIE I live in L.A. (Cali) prelude's R great but just cause u did this and that doesn't mean ANYTHING DOWN !!! it acutually reduce's the value of a car (putting aftermarket stuff etc..atleast here in L.A.) also y wouldn't Honda use a h23 tranny on an h22 lude if it didn't think it would MATTER :screwy: if u cheap out now on ur Prelude ur only asking for problems on it's High Mileage years!! also DUDE it's on it's second MOTOR!! raced, tweak out, atts is GONE!! etc I can go on and on...but I won't!! also this is MY opition...if u didn't want to hear it u shouldn't be POSTING!!!

sorry if u thought I insulted U...oh one more thing ask urself would I buy my Prelude on it's second motor and all that stuff u done or a bone stock prelude none messed with etc. for the same price??? cause that's what 97,98,even 99 prelude's cost around here 7-10k with good miles on them good body etc.

98 lude sh w/basic options @ 71k is worth $13820 (KBB Value) in Central Coast area Cali. Just so you know.

ummm... the car has NEVER been raced.... ATTS being gone is a GOOD thing..... fewer moving parts... and the H23 is almost the same. - like i said - the only difference is gearing because of the non-vtec of the h23. AND I'M NOT IN CALIFORNIA!. i'm in Florida/Georgia... where that would RAISE the value to most ppl because the work they were going to do is already done. I don't need some snot-nosed kid with almost no LIFE experience telling me what my car is worth. i wanted EDUCATED decisions. I wasn't asking for the value of the car in stock form in perfect condition... that value is closer to 13k. IM ASKING 10 K!.... on my first post i said the value was 10k in decent condition which means (HAS SOME ISSUES). THANK YOU for wasting my time, BUDDY! (not BUDDIE)

I agree with Sballerk... Second engine, no ATTS, obviously some things have gone wrong with this car, you have even said that yourself, and there is still an existing issue with it. I mean, do you think someone wants to spend 10 thousand dollars!! on a car that could potentially give them a lot of problems. I mean, if your car was on its first motor, had a H22 tranny, still had ATTS, and no other problems, you are looking at 10-12k. But with the history of your car, from what you said, and that is very honest of you, i give you props for that, it isnt worth more than 7 or 8 k in my opinion. Maybe its worth keeping.

the only thing wrong with the car is my brother in law - he drove through a puddle and the car had a cold air intake on it. ran GREAT!! until then. yes the car is on it's second engine.. but the engine has fewer miles... more HP... and the tranny ALSO has fewer miles - shorter gearing - meaning better acceleration.. IMO the car is mre reliable than before - even with the ATTS gone. the ATTS is problematic and is clutch based - meaning when you start adding more power they start to slip and THAT causes more problems down the road. If you like cars in stock form then this is not the car for you.

um, ATTS being removed is definitely NOT a good thing. The ATTS system is what makes the SH model such a valued model. Look at the price difference between a regular lude and an SH lude, it's pretty significant.

unless you plan on modifying the engine. (like turbo for instance)... the clutches inside start to slip

wow, your brother in law has cost you a lot! of money, didnt he mess up your wheel or whatever also? not that it is any of my business, but i am wondering if you made him pay for this stuff?

well...if u ask me, i think that you could sell the car for 10 k easy.

1) the engine is swapped and the ATTS is gone which if your going to modify your car and increase hp with an ATTS then it causes problems and becomes a bitch and
2) the owner most likely knows what he was doing to the car, not like a lot of people who just dump tings into their car and just get people to install and fix their car when they dont know anything about engines.

The only reason someone wouldnt by that car is bc they dont know anything about engines and therefore if something does go wrong then all they know is to go to some mechanic and pay an assload for something someone could usually do at home with a few hours of work. Just because u have swapped out an engine doesnt automatically mean its a worthless car and probamatic. I know a lot of people who have swapped an engine and its not to the point were you have to be fixing things everyday. Plus if your going to put aftermarket parts on your car your going to have to know something about cars bc something is going to go wrong sometime so if your worried about that then dont even bother with improving your car. But thats just my opinion so wuteva.

wow, your brother in law has cost you a lot! of money, didnt he mess up your wheel or whatever also? not that it is any of my business, but i am wondering if you made him pay for this stuff?

some of it - he also provided the tools and another set of hands. I told him tht i didn't need his help anymore when he messed up the wheel trying to get the axle out... but it's an easy fix - already got a new wheel hub / bearing / knuckle and lug studs on order. ($500 later...) I don't know why ppl keep saying that installing a new engine / tranny in a car will decrease the cars value like 6 grand... i think that is a load of crap. some ppl are just cheapskates and think they can get everything for free. the JDM motor is better in EVERY way... the H23 tranny is better because it is the SAME but with SLIGHTLY shorter gearing... all of this stuff brand new or used with fewer miles than the original stuff. I have never abused the car - never raced it.. in fact - in the past year and a half that i've had it i haven't even put 500 miles on the thing. so DON'T even tell me that my car is worth less than it was before i worked on it. AND YES THE ATTS IS CRAP!.... C.R.A.P!!! get rid of the $2000 piece of junk and buy a $600 LSD and put it in your non SH tranny - much better than ATTS.

I am so tired of these kids on here that think they know everything... i don't know who put the idea in their heads that putting something better than the original in a car makes it DECREASE in value... if you took a 240sx... ditch the original ka24 engine... and drop in a rb26dett... doesn't it make the car worth so much more? WHY IS THAT ANY FUCKING DIFFERENT FOR A PRELUDE?!?!?!?!? both engines are JDM... both have more power than the previous motor... only difference.... the damn JDM H22A came in JDM PRELUDES!!!.... SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY MY CAR LOSES 6 GRAND IN VALUE!!!! I'M DYING TO KNOW!.... :cya: :confused:

I am so tired of these kids on here that think they know everything... i don't know who put the idea in their heads that putting something better than the original in a car makes it DECREASE in value... if you took a 240sx... ditch the original ka24 engine... and drop in a rb26dett... doesn't it make the car worth so much more? WHY IS THAT ANY FUCKING DIFFERENT FOR A PRELUDE?!?!?!?!? both engines are JDM... both have more power than the previous motor... only difference.... the damn JDM H22A came in JDM PRELUDES!!!.... SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY MY CAR LOSES 6 GRAND IN VALUE!!!! I'M DYING TO KNOW!.... :cya: :confused:

*p-p-p-powa* but yea, like i said, changing the engine to a more powerful and better engine shouldnt decrease the value but all those people who think that it does are the idiots who think that they can pay people to instal aftermarket parts in their car and that the car will almost never have any problems. Those people just shouldnt bother with cars in the first place unless they actually want to learn about what their doing.

exactly. that is another reason why i am skeptical about who i sell the car to. ppl say to sell it to some high school kid for a buttload of money... when i really just want to sell it to someone who i know will be able to take care of the car and not turn it into some damn riced out, falling apart POS. i put too much time, money, sweat, and blood into that car to sell it to some jackass kid who is going to ruin it. My uncle made that mistake years ago - he was in the Navy and he bought a brand new camaro back in like 79... it was an amazing machine... he got out of the military with a couple kids.... and sold the car to some high school kid, who later wrapped the car around a tree (not even a month later). I am not going to make that mistake... the car is my baby. i would rather sell it to a pro for less, than to a rookie for a buttload more.

I dont think I know everything... i dont work on my own car... but im sticking to my point that the car could cause future problems, and if people are spending 10k on a prelude they dont want to have to spend any time or money or both on the car. Thats just my opinion, you may agree or disagree.

i vote for disagree - because i'm not selling the car to someone that wants a car to get them from A to B... it's a car for a prelude enthusiast.. someone who LIKES to work on cars.

Dude...I will agree to disagree with u....but to let u know NO ONE I mean no ONE pays KBB VALUE!! hear in L.A. or CALI!!! to whoever said that..also one more thing...ur car is not more Reliable u have just burned ur self on the last message I personally would want a good fast car with some speed and last me for years = Honda u want something fast and not as reliable = Non Honda anyways good luck selling it to a 18 year old like u said before..cause some of us 18 years R getting a BIT smarter!!

also guys how in the world does a SH/atts make it a bitch to suit up a Prelude?? it's a ( + ) not a ( - ) please guys let's not mislead people into thinking a Base Prelude is better then an SH cause it's NOT!!

nuff said can we please close this thread it looks like "Phunnyguy" thinks his lude is worth 10k and maybe it is just not to some people who KNOW BETTER!!

never said a base model was better than an SH... but an SH without ATTS is better than a stock SH.

Also, I did not burn myself - i proved my point. my point is - THE CAR IS NOT FOR YOU. and i am asking 10k with the hope that I will get the 8500 I still owe on it. i'm asking high so that way the price can be negotiated. i know i will not get 10 grand for the car...

I never said the car would not get you from A to B... but if that is all you are looking for then this car is not for you. This car was a project that was started and now needs to be finished by someone else. It will get you from A to B for many years to come.. but I would hate to see that happen to a car that has this much potential. Don't try to outsmart me because you are still just a kid that has no real world experience.. open up your eyes and you will see the big picture... not everyone can afford to have their car worked on by a big time shop... and the ones that can't need to do the work themselves and the work for the most part is just as good as it would be from a guy that does it for a living. Like i said - i take pride in my work... the car will run for years to come - probably longer than it would have with the old motor. Something to the effect of a closed-deck design on the block... no ATTS... fewer sensors... less moving parts... all of this on a SH chassis!!... what could be better? Comon dude... quit trying to flame and just accept the fact that you cannot win this argument because you are arguing a point that has nothing to do with the point i was trying to make... i can understand that you don't want the car... but someone else will.... someone who can appreciate the work of an ENTHUSIAST... not a guy who takes it to a shop and dishes out thousands of dollars to have the work done for him. there is no pride in that... that swap (JUST the swap - not all the extras) woulda cost me 5 grand with parts to have done... i paid a total of like $2500 for engine / tranny / spoon-mapped ecu / AEM short ram intake / AEM fuel rail - brand new clutch / miscellanious nuts and bolts / wiring / etc.... and did it myself... with the right tools.... and the right mentality. mechanics do it for a living so they have less pride in their work because they do it every day.

I say again, though, the point i am trying to make is... the car may not be for you - or someone like you... the car is for someone like me... and there are alot of people like me out there. The whole world isn't made up of people like you and you cannot understand that because you are still green when it comes to the rest of the world. you grew up in a state that corrupts your mind when it comes to cars.

an SH without ATTS is not better than a stock SH... hate to break it to you buddy, basically you are saying people pay 4k extra for a worse car!! haha... why would they get the SH then instead of the base model if the base was better and cheaper? terrible point to make

phunnyguy let me ask u this y hurt ur handling??? to add lil to nothing power...Honda know's more then u,me and all these people... they have the atts on the SH for a reason...(it's made to go as fast as any Prelude ever MADE but HANDLE A LOT BETTER....so y take off the atts/SH Badge???then to top it off u say it's more reliable???) just cause people say it's a bitch having atts doesn't mean it's true.... honestly drive a base prelude then a SH and i'm more then 100 percent sure it's a lot better riding on an SH!!

dude I'm 18 and i'm starting to think I know a lot more about Prelude's..tho Lude's run on the FAMILY back to 3rd Gen's

the people that would care about ATTS are the ones that want to keep the car stock... all someone has to do is drop a Quaife LSD in there and BAM - it's better than the ATTS. ATTS breaks when you add power. Quaife doesn't. an SH with the SH suspension... a JDM motor.. and eventually an aftermarket LSD is definately better than a stock SH with ATTS. (yes the suspension is different on an SH - which IS STILL THERE - SO IT HANDLES GREAT STILL!) why don't you stop fucking with me - loser. you obviously don't want my car... you just want an argument. the point you said i was trying to make IS NOT THE FUCKING POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE. my point is - THE CAR IS NOT FOR YOU. you are the fucking rich kid type that can afford to have all the work done to your car at a shop... I CAN'T. there is no pride in having it done for you. The only reason i am selling the car is because it won't pass emissions in Cali... believe me i had big plans for this car... rebuilt motor - built for high boost... upgraded suspension.. YES A QUAIFE LSD.... you can't do all that crap as easy to a SH motor / tranny combo. I woulda had to ditch the ATTS anyway because the 15-20 lbs of boost that i woulda made would eat the ATTS for lunch, and to use the LSD i woulda had to ditch it anyway cuz LSD is better. ATTS is just an overpriced bastardized version of LSD which can only distribute up to 80% power to one wheel. Now that I am moving.. i have to sell my work and my plans. someone else can finish where i left off - someone with the same plan as me. The only reason i went with JDM in the first place is because of the closed-deck block design - good for boost - eliminates need for a block guard. why are you still arguing with me... I HATE IGNORANCE. This car was going to be something great - and still can be.... someone has to just continue where i left off... it is a great starting point with the first major obstacle out of the way - the ATTS. If you tell me you are buying the car because you like the way it is and you plan to drive it for years to come without ever continuing the project - i won't sell it to you.... just so you know... so you two that keep trying to fuck with me... i wouldn't sell you the car anyway.... its obviously not for you.