more HP?

What should I do to get more HP wit out going all out. I still want da luxury clean look. Some ppl told me already to get headers N intake but is there a pt if I"m not getting da exaust.?? others tell me to get cams and pulley. What should I do?

There is a ton of information on the forums on how to increase horsepower without going "all out".

I too want to keep the stock look however I want to have some more power for the times I'm driving a little more spirited.

I suggest you go ahead and put a Cold Air Intake (CAI) on your car and add a header to your car as well. I've been told that the stock exhaust system isn't really THAT restrictive so the car DOES benefit from these two modifications.

In fact, I'm in the market for a CAI and I'm hoping to have a header installed within the week. So- hopefully that will take care of the power side of things, to take care of the "luxury" part, I threw in a flip out screen to entertain myself with playstation or MAYBE a DVD/VCR or something rather- (I'm still deciding which one to get). Or- just go with a playstation2- I dunno.

http://www.pandapower.com/playstation.jpg

Considering it's your first day on the forums, click around and read up on what others have done to their cars. You're sure to find something that will get you all excited about your car.

Good luck.

-clifford


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hmmm...... thnx yeah I think thats wat I"m gonna do. I dun plan to put too much $$ in this car cuz I dun plan to keep it for more den 3 more years. soo I guess for da time being I'll just do the headers N intake.

I agree with Cliffud. The best start would be the Cold Air Intake. The stock exhaust system is good enough. As far as cams, pulleys, ECU and other mods, that's when you'll be spending some big bucks. BTW, you have checked www.g20.net right?

yeah I have checked out that site. hmmm.... so intake N headers r enuff then I guess. I guess i probably going to have to put them in, cuz I"m taking my friends C-5 rims N their 18's soo I guess its gonna lag my car a lot.

if you're after a CAI click on the lick in my sig....we are trying to get a group buy going so that we can get the CAI at a very good price :)*shameless plug* ;)

What about advancing the timing? It costs nothing if you do it yourself. Just make sure to do it properly.

hmmm timing? dats a first no1 has told me to do dat yet.

woah clifford, thats exactly the piece of looking for my TV! Currently my TV Screen is on a Flexible Mount and to the side. I really want that piece that hold the TV like that.

My questions are:

1. How much did you pay for that
2. Where did you get it? I want one too
2. Does the thing fold in and out when not in use
3. Can you measure from the top to bottom to see how much room it takes.

Thanks, you can PM me if you would like, but I am really interested in that piece!

hey barbiegirl .... im asuming you are a chick?

post a pic of you and the car

hahah yeah I"m a chick but my name isnt barbiegurl it's babiegurl hahaha its ok. yeah I will post one up as soon as I get my car back from da bodyshop. some dumbazz crashed into my G. so I"m here 2 weeks wit no car:mad: still waiting hopefully I get it back this week.

Originally posted by wickedG20
woah clifford, thats exactly the piece of looking for my TV! Currently my TV Screen is on a Flexible Mount and to the side. I really want that piece that hold the TV like that.

My questions are:

1. How much did you pay for that
2. Where did you get it? I want one too
2. Does the thing fold in and out when not in use
3. Can you measure from the top to bottom to see how much room it takes.

Thanks, you can PM me if you would like, but I am really interested in that piece!

I was going to private message you - but then I figured that someone else out there might be curious.

http://www.pandapower.com/playstation.jpg

The unit is called the Alpine CVA-1000. Alpine now has it's successor and it's successor's successor, the 1005 and then the 1006.

1) The unit was $1300 new a couple of years ago.
2) Got it at the local stereo shop, they wanted an arm and a leg to install it though so I installed it myself.
3) Yes, the screen folds in and out of the dash. It also controls a 12 disc changer in the trunk and functions as a radio.
4) The unit will fit in a stock din fitting and when the screen is out - it blocks the buttons just below the A/C vents (as you can see in the picture)

I'm actually thinking about selling the thing. It works perfectly and has the video bypass switch already installed and it has the audio bypass switch too (to play the playstation sound through the car stereo). I also put in a kill switch so that if I were to ever get stopped by the police, the unit would not be able to play the playstation no matter how many buttons you pressed on the darn thing. The monitor and brain do not have a powered amplifier built in, so you MUST run external amplifiers (unless you don't want sound)

Hope that helps- if you have any more questions- lemme know.



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-clifford

Thanks for the info,

I thought you just had a TV screen and you got that piece to hold the TV.

In my situation, I have a TV Screen w/ video output and I want that piece to hold my TV in and I can be able to fold the TV in, right now its next to the dash but I would like to hide it.

If you can sell me that piece that holds the TV, that would be great. Or maybe you know where I can get just that piece?

Thanks

I think you might be confused, wicked. The screen is actually part of the deck. It folds down and then slided inward (sorta like a CD) so that it doesn't show at all. Check out the Alpine site to see a similar model that they currently sell (retails for about $1,100)

Alpine CVA-1003 (http://ecominet2.alpine-usa.com:7777/pls/admn/item_info1a?p_item_name=CVA-1003&p_category=100&p_subcategory=&p_main=30)

Yes, I am aware of that. I was hoping that it was a TV screen only and a machine that acts like a deck which holds the TV (no stereo involved) What I decided to do was sell my TV system (pretty much sacrifice it, hehe) in order to get that unit.

To add... I saw Clifford's setup a couple weekends ago, it is a very nice setup, that alpine unit is VERY nice :D I was very impressed.

Originally posted by wickedG20
Yes, I am aware of that. I was hoping that it was a TV screen only and a machine that acts like a deck which holds the TV (no stereo involved)

in my old mercedes, i ALWAYS wanted to have a tv in the car- however the screen would have been right in front of the ac controls and the shifter would have got in the way.

HOWEVER.

i DID think of a way to put a small screen IN THE GLOVE BOX!

perhaps that might be an option for you???

install it in the glove box- modify your door so that the door can close with a small cut out area for the metal arm/brace that extends to hold up the screen- when not in use- open glove box and fold the screen down into the glove box?

the good points of this idea are that it is:

LOCKABLE

NOT NOTICEABLE FROM THE OUTSIDE (unless u leave your playstation controls on the dash)

keeps everything looking stock and kinda brings a james bondish type of deal to your car.

hehe- james had the coolest rides.

-clifford

Originally posted by JustinP10
To add... I saw Clifford's setup a couple weekends ago, it is a very nice setup, that alpine unit is VERY nice :D I was very impressed.

Justin!

it gets better- i got bored so i threw my home dvd player in the backseat and i've been driving around watching RONIN!

bwaaaaaahahhahahahahaaaaa

(note to self: look up at the road every now and then)

ok- whew!~



-clifford:D

hmm interesting...this post got sidetracked by stereo/TV stuff....HP to Stereos....

Originally posted by ty423
hmm interesting...this post got sidetracked by stereo/TV stuff....HP to Stereos....

So i put my dyno run on a dvd, to watch in my car, to show people how much hp my car makes, and how i tested that... and how my CAI helps with that... speaking of CAI's.... :D

Just show them by punching the car with your guest in your car and let them feel for themselves how fast it is and how well it handles...hehe

Well, yeah, that would be much easier, but i just figured i'd try and take the topic from stereo/video stuff back to CAI's, like the way the thread started :D

can someone explain why the CAI increases HP through resonance and how it has to do with the length of the pipe and such?

does the length of the pipe matter?

would a small spiral etched along the interior help smooth out wind flow? (same principal with a bullet coming out of the rifle... the barrel is just a tiny bit bigger than the bullet and as the bullet goes down the chamber, it rotates along the interior kinda like the men in black car going through the tunnel in the movie -if you haven't seen the movie, don't worry about it- it rotates to keep itself centered along the proper line)

does this make sense?

would it work?

yes? no?

-clifford

:rolleyes:

DON'T ROLL YOUR EYES AT ME!

ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Rifling does put a spin on a bullet but not to "keep it on the right path". It provides a gyroscopic effect, keeping it from tumbling. This will help prevent the projectile from being acted upon by outside forces and deviating from a straight line.

The two situations are apples and oranges ... far too different to make an assumption like that. First, the path in an air intake is not a straight line. More importantly, what's moving through it is a fluid, not a solid.

Good air intake design is probably quite complex. You could possibly improve the flow rate through the intake with a very smooth passage, or with microgrooves which follow the path (as opposed to spiral) to improve the laminar flow at the boundary layer. However, this might not be ideal for fuel atomization/distribution ... induced turbulence/swirl might offer better performance.

Not trying to pass myself off as an expert. Only volunteering that the subject is probably a complex one.

Sorry, that's all I remember from my engineering fluid dynamics. Any intake guys around that can give some detailed insight?

just diverting the attention back onto the subject

:smoker:

-clifford

Originally posted by killick
Rifling does put a spin on a bullet but not to "keep it on the right path". It provides a gyroscopic effect, keeping it from tumbling. This will help prevent the projectile from being acted upon by outside forces and deviating from a straight line.

The two situations are apples and oranges ... far too different to make an assumption like that. First, the path in an air intake is not a straight line. More importantly, what's moving through it is a fluid, not a solid.

Good air intake design is probably quite complex. You could possibly improve the flow rate through the intake with a very smooth passage, or with microgrooves which follow the path (as opposed to spiral) to improve the laminar flow at the boundary layer. However, this might not be ideal for fuel atomization/distribution ... induced turbulence/swirl might offer better performance.

Not trying to pass myself off as an expert. Only volunteering that the subject is probably a complex one.

Sorry, that's all I remember from my engineering fluid dynamics. Any intake guys around that can give some detailed insight?
Wouldnt it be a gas flowing through the air intake path? not a liquid

Originally posted by 93InfG20
Wouldnt it be a gas flowing through the air intake path? not a liquid

Nobody said anything about a liquid. Both gases and liquids are fluids.

Therefore air is a fluid.

Originally posted by 93InfG20

Wouldnt it be a gas flowing through the air intake path? not a liquid

in physics i think they consider a gas as a liquid because it doesn't hold it's shape.

however- with the air flowing through the intake under a CONTROLLED turbulence might be directed into the throttle body with more pressure than air flowing under random swirling of the air.

my thinking is that when the air is flowing through the pipe- the swirling effect will smooth out the flow of the air and if the flow is smooth- then it will be faster and hopefully more effective.

sounds like it makes sense?

-clifford

ok thanks, I understand now

Originally posted by cliffud
can someone explain why the CAI increases HP through resonance and how it has to do with the length of the pipe and such?

does the length of the pipe matter?

Size matters. :right:

As air flows through a pipe a reflection is set up at either end whether there is an opening or a sealed end. The resonance tuning occurs when the reflection wave is in phase with the incoming wave. This makes it easier for the incoming wave to move through the pipe and thus more air will flow. Think of the incoming wave of air as "drafting" the reflected wave. It's easier for it to flow so it flows faster and more air moves through the pipe.

Now for the advanced course. :)

It's not just an end of a pipe that sets up a reflection. If there is a stepped change in pipe diameter, a reflection occurs as well.

I'm not an engineer and it's been, oh, 24 years since my college physics class, so I might not have all the details 100% correct, but the gist is correct.

The CAI really increases hp (more than the POP charger) due to the length of the pipe (thereby more air flow). The air temperature in the thermal efficiency of the engine is very important - a couple of degrees can make a big difference. However, tests have shown that the intake temp of the air with a normal POP charger is suprisingly close to ambient.

The real difference between the CAI and the POP charger is therefore due to the length of the arm. Keep as much curves out as possible - if you can't avoid them, make the radius of curvature as big as you can.

I would definitely go with the CAI - so long as you aren't going to be driving through any floods. The hp gains are about 7 - that's realistically about 3-4 more than the POP charger.

I personally was gonna go with the Cattman CAI, but due to where I work (I may have some floods to trek through!), I opted to go with probably an HKS setup.
however- with the air flowing through the intake under a CONTROLLED turbulence might be directed into the throttle body with more pressure than air flowing under random swirling of the air.

The air currents should be as laminar as possible going into the intake. Check out HKS - the have designed a kinda tornado looking filter that is sopposed to reduce the eddying of the air currents.

Originally posted by NismoG20
hey barbiegirl .... im asuming you are a chick?

post a pic of you and the car

I second the motion for the pictures
hehe

HHAHAHA ok to those who want me to post a pix of me N my car well...... I will as soon as I can. ok well onto da car. ok I plan to get da CAI but.... it's gonna be raining season here soon sooooo...... I"m afraid dat u know I get water in it den arent i a lil screwed?

If you drive smart, you shouldn't have anything to worry about. I'm not sure how El Monte gets, but here in Tucson (and Phoenix) there are some nasty monsoon storms in the summer, where we get a TON of rain really fast. The roads will flood, and there are puddles and stuff, but i just avoid the really deep stuff, and drive cautiously through any standing water. The water has to be pretty high to get your full filter submerged, probalby up to about the half way mark on your bumper. Hope this helps.