Intake question

i got a cold air intake for my 3.4 camaro (1994) will this really benefit my car as they say it will.

it'll help, but not nearly as much as the vendor says it will.

so do all vendors lie ??

not all, but most.

Im sorta new to cold air intakes, i know i will get some hp, but how much? and what other benefits will i get?

Honestly, your best bet is to sell your CAI (cold air intake) to some idiot that is willing to buy it. All the CAI will do is lean out your mixture and thus robbing you of horsepower in the mid RPM range. If anything, simply replace your stock air filter with a high flow tyupe such as K&N. Again, my suggestion, find an idiot on ebay to buy your CAI, DO NOT INTALL IT...

wow where did you get this info????? I never knew that

Why would a CAI lean out your mixture?? Ive never heard that anywhere. Thats why the computer uses sensors to measure the incoming air so it can add the right amount of fuel.

A CAI will give you a bit of power, and should also make the car a little louder too. You may notice a bit of throttle response difference.

Thanks Dober

I agree with Dober on this one, I just installed my CAI on my 3.4 and I think it's worth it. It sounds nice and I really like it. Did you buy the entire kit GFT? I was looking at them and I didn't feel like spending $200 on something that looked so simple. I got a deal from a guy on the forum and made a custom kit, in the end it maybe cost me $50.

how did you make a costom kit???

he's talkin about those resistors you hook up to that one sensor and it makes the computer think it's getting nothing but cold air coming in and all that other shit.

sounds like its hard to do

that's cuz you're a dumbass...














j/k :D

why did bjazi01 say that the CAI will drain your mid range power???

Honestly, your best bet is to sell your CAI (cold air intake) to some idiot that is willing to buy it. All the CAI will do is lean out your mixture and thus robbing you of horsepower in the mid RPM range. If anything, simply replace your stock air filter with a high flow tyupe such as K&N. Again, my suggestion, find an idiot on ebay to buy your CAI, DO NOT INTALL IT...


Well oh smart one that is why their is an ATS (for the people who rode the short bus to the automotive world, that stands for Air Tempature Sensor.) The ATS will give the computer the correct info to auto compensate for the drop in tempature. Besides the MAF will auto compensate for the drop in temp because of how it works. It heats thoes little wires up to a certan tempature and the caculates airflow by how much current it takes to to keep the little wires at that certian temp. Oh the wonders of auto compensating eletronics.

Here is my two cents about little stuff like a CAI...

You will pick up some power gains but, it honestly takes close to 60HP(give or take a few) to have you feel a difference. You would see a difference in times at the track because it is all measured with computer accuary. The seat of the pants dyno is not as accurate as people think.

well as long as I gain that what im looking for

Okay. On intakes. I read an extreamly informative thread about intakes here. I will do my best to help relay what I learned.

This member compared and comtrasted the benefits and problems with both short ram intake and Cold air intake.

To start with the basics. Cold air intake is an extreamly important component in combustion. With each degree of the intake lower than the exhaust you get about a 1% horse power gain, up to a point depending on the motor and external conditions. Also you have to think of air intake on a molecular basis. As molecules begin to heat up they expand. There for with colder air you can actually pull more air into you engine because simply more will fit.

So.

Short ram is a simple air intake with a filter. I'm sure you all have seen them. The advantage of short ram is the filters do not get dirty that fast and you do no have to worry about hydro lock, which I will get into later. The disadvantage to short ram is that you are sucking in all the air that has bounced around your hot motor. So you are not getting a very good tempurature difference from the intake to the exhaust.

Now as for CAI systems. You get a better performance boost with CAI because the intake is farther away from the motor, but the 6-8 inches away from the motor really don't make a big difference in my opinion. Ways to solve this problem is through heat shielding or moding your intake to go down the side of the motor, or down to the mesh screening in some bumpers. I have even seen some people who cut there bumbers to place in the intake. On race cars they put the intake where the head ligh would be. Anyhow. The best result to this problem of heat, in my opinion is an intake box. I wish I could get you the site, but I can't find it. A man made an intake for his car out of steal sheating, and then he ran a duct from right under the bumper to the bottom of the box. With a little homemade design and some metal skills he made a sweet intake box for around 30 dollars. Another draw back to an unmodified CAI is that the filters get dirty fast, and since the air intake is open to the outside, it can suck in water from puddles and such. This can be extreamly harmful to ones motor. In a minor situation, you suck in enough water to kill the motor. In that case you take out your plugs and crank the motor untill all the water is out. In a worse case senario. You suck in enough water to fill a whole cylinder of your motor. On the compression stroke your piston runs into and tries to compress the water and it bends or snaps your connecting rod. But with the intake box you don't have to worry about the water, and you can even put a filter in the duct running to the intake box, which will maximize the clean air.

Well thats all I have. Ultimately the choice is yours in the end. I say go for the CAI with the intake box.

No, I am not talking about that little chip that you replace the sensor with, that is something a moron would do. I built the almost the exact same kit except with a different kind of tubing and a bigger filter than the one in the K&N kit. I can give you the details if you want either shoot me a PM or ask in this post.

He was talking about bjazi01 I believe

Yea, I was trying to give the basics to bjazi01.

Short ram intakes suck ass

Yea, I think so too.

Okay. On intakes. I read an extreamly informative thread about intakes here. I will do my best to help relay what I learned.

This member compared and comtrasted the benefits and problems with both short ram intake and Cold air intake.

To start with the basics. Cold air intake is an extreamly important component in combustion. With each degree of the intake lower than the exhaust you get about a 1% horse power gain, up to a point depending on the motor and external conditions. Also you have to think of air intake on a molecular basis. As molecules begin to heat up they expand. There for with colder air you can actually pull more air into you engine because simply more will fit.

So.

Short ram is a simple air intake with a filter. I'm sure you all have seen them. The advantage of short ram is the filters do not get dirty that fast and you do no have to worry about hydro lock, which I will get into later. The disadvantage to short ram is that you are sucking in all the air that has bounced around your hot motor. So you are not getting a very good tempurature difference from the intake to the exhaust.

Now as for CAI systems. You get a better performance boost with CAI because the intake is farther away from the motor, but the 6-8 inches away from the motor really don't make a big difference in my opinion. Ways to solve this problem is through heat shielding or moding your intake to go down the side of the motor, or down to the mesh screening in some bumpers. I have even seen some people who cut there bumbers to place in the intake. On race cars they put the intake where the head ligh would be. Anyhow. The best result to this problem of heat, in my opinion is an intake box. I wish I could get you the site, but I can't find it. A man made an intake for his car out of steal sheating, and then he ran a duct from right under the bumper to the bottom of the box. With a little homemade design and some metal skills he made a sweet intake box for around 30 dollars. Another draw back to an unmodified CAI is that the filters get dirty fast, and since the air intake is open to the outside, it can suck in water from puddles and such. This can be extreamly harmful to ones motor. In a minor situation, you suck in enough water to kill the motor. In that case you take out your plugs and crank the motor untill all the water is out. In a worse case senario. You suck in enough water to fill a whole cylinder of your motor. On the compression stroke your piston runs into and tries to compress the water and it bends or snaps your connecting rod. But with the intake box you don't have to worry about the water, and you can even put a filter in the duct running to the intake box, which will maximize the clean air.

Well thats all I have. Ultimately the choice is yours in the end. I say go for the CAI with the intake box.


Very Very informing info you got man !!!!! so the best thing to do is to get your intake far from the engine or away from the engine heat through the use of an intake box??? try to find that link....one more thing I picked up something you said which seemed impotant but you did not elaborate more on "With each degree of the intake lower than the exhaust you get about a 1% horse power gain, up to a point depending on the motor and external conditions." is the goal to make a 100% temperture difference??? but then again you said a certin point I would imagine it would be less then that

why did bjazi01 say that the CAI will drain your mid range power???
cause he was high on PCP

"With each degree of the intake lower than the exhaust you get about a 1% horse power gain, up to a point depending on the motor and external conditions." is the goal to make a 100% temperture difference???

In theory, yes. Okay lets make a hypathetical situation. Say you have a motor that puts out 200 ponies. You have your CIA in the box and ready to go burn up some pavement. So its a nice fall day with a temp of 60 degrees. Lets say your exhaust temp is 200 degrees. So if you can pull in air that is exactly 60 degrees then you should be getting a 140% gain, and your motor should be pushing 480 hp. Thats not going to happen. Not even in a perfect world. I say up to a point becuase I'm honestly not sure how much gain you can get from an intake system. I have heard of as little as 4hp with a short ram and as much as 30 with a cold with out the box or shielding. How true this is, I do not know.

My goal hear is to give you best intake that I know how to make. Now if you want to maximize your intake performance, you also need to maximize your exhaust. If you have resistance from the exhasut trying to escape, then you cannot get a high flow of air intake. So replace your headers, possible cat, and the cat back exhaust. If you have about 2 grand to spare. Pop a turbo charger under the hood. Imagine your stock fuel air mixture as a regulare garden hose. Now picture your turbo as a pressure hose. You will be looking at about a 100 hp gain, possibly more after tunning. Along with the new intake and exhaust, you will be bdestroying people before you know it.

Good luck!

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=949738

I FINALLY FOUND IT! Took me alomst an hour of searching, but I found it. A box and duct system like that will help CIA a lot.

yeah i looked at my engine and i was wondering how is that CAI gonna suck up air from... i was like wtf

damm 56k

man that is awesome but I have a question with the heat shild being steel its a good conductor of heat wont the Idea be void because of that its seems to me he made a "hot box intake" maybe a different materal would be better any ideas??

He didn't have it insulated. Styrofoam works wonders as a box insulator.

yea I know thats what refridgerators use to keep out heat from outside hmmm good thing im taking a major appliance course at my local trade school I could get that stuff easy