to many civics

what can i do to my 99 eclipse rs that will make it beat civics. Cuz everyone and ther brother has one around where i live and they all got those big gay looking drag spoilers on them and there pissing me off. All i got in my eclipse right now is a cold air intake looking for some cheap or even free mods or engine tweaks that will start upping my horses.

I hear ya with the civic problem. DXs are the easiest. Shit, my Oldsmobile 88 Cutlass Ciera beat them every nite.

However, search the board. Almost every mod has been posted here. Spend the money on a turbo. If dont have that much:

-full intake (manifold, dropped intake, throttle body)
-exhaust (cat-back, manifold)
-ecu reprogramming (not the 'fake ebay' ones)
-plugs, wires

If you dont want to be Ricey, dont buy off-the-shelf stuff at pepboys. All Ricey

strange, for some reason civics wont mess with me. :D

dont blame the civic, blame the driver.

i have never raced a civic so i dont even know if i can beat one but i would like to race and beat them

I personally like messing with the Civics. They all try looking like hard-asses with their spikey hair, big wings, and ugly-ass rims. They think they the shit. I love blowing them away without even trying. Its funny.

i hate to rain on your parade but..
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS ............. 0-60=9.0............ 1/4mile=16.6


cold air intake would put you barely in front of one if it was stock

have you not updated your sig since you have put new mods on your car?


PS. not being a jackass

Naw, thats updated yesterday. However, its a 5spd, and I know how to drive. These civics are mostly autos. And the people that do have manuals dont know how to shift. All you hear is "Bump... and Grind!" Damn amaters. More mods are on the way, and Ill still kill them all

If turbo isn't in your budget, then I'd go with intake, headers, exhaust, and then a 75 shot of nitrous. That's should put you quite a few cars in front of a civic ;)

true, it takes a good driver to win a race

also, dont let an automatic fool you, if you think the way the auto transmission works, it will let a car produce a faster 1/4 mile time. (stock torque converter vs stock clutch)

in my personal opinion, that is why DSMs put smaller turbo and injectors on the automatic.. to keep it the same speed as the 5 speed. but that is truely my speculation and i have not read or heard about the actual reason why


*EDIT* now that i am thinking about it, ill make a new thread asking about smaller turbo and injectors

automatics are not faster than 5spds stock! i dont care what you THINK... they are not faster. period! you take both your cars out (with a good driver in the 1st gen) and you race... gauranteed the 1st gen will win if both are stock! it will barry you out of the hole, i've seen it happen. i've done it before in my GST racing a 97 GSX auto, pull away right off the line. the auto tranny in the eclipse has no low end torque, so they suck ass launching!

Actually, the civic phenomenon was a pure fluke. It was never meant to be what it is today, it just sorta happened, and the aftermarket world and tuners fully capitalized on it. In reality, the civic's competition is the Mitsu Mirage/Lancer, Toyota Corolla, Chevy Cavilier, Nissan Sentra, etc etc... just a random thought...

I have a 92 civic dx auto and I just fixed up a crashed up 96 eclipse gs and I have to say that the eclipse is way faster than the civic. I have a full bosal exhaust, 4-2-1 headers, and an air intake on the civic and the gs in stock form feels way faster. I don't know how much high end torque the eclipse has compared to the civic because I haven't driven the eclipse past 90mph yet but I think because of the civic's headers it might just have a little more high end torque. But i won't know until i get to really push the eclipse.

automatics are not faster than 5spds stock! i dont care what you THINK... they are not faster. period! you take both your cars out (with a good driver in the 1st gen) and you race... gauranteed the 1st gen will win if both are stock! it will barry you out of the hole, i've seen it happen. i've done it before in my GST racing a 97 GSX auto, pull away right off the line. the auto tranny in the eclipse has no low end torque, so they suck ass launching!


the auto can run full boost before they even let off the brake. low end power is its strongpoint

I raced Karen a couple times in our 1g manual vs our 2g auto. we took turns driving each car and the auto came off the line better every time. there are too many hesitations spots in a manual tranny car because of the shift time.. unless you went to race shifting school or something :D

but our cars have slightly different mods on each but i would say they are pushing the same #s to the ground

A manual has every advantage over a auto.

Its lighter, has more gears to put the power thru, and i doesnt eat torque to operate.

The only way i can see him winning is because the auto eclipse were changed to give them more low end (info in the other post you made).

You two should race again but not from a stop. Do a "street start" (from like >15mph) that is a better mesure of a cars performance. Less factors on the launch.

there are too many hesitations spots in a manual tranny car because of the shift time.. unless you went to race shifting school or something

Shift time?? All you have to do is rev it up and let the clutch slam. The "shift time" is less then .5 sec for that cluch to grab.

im not stirring up shit or anything like that but i see an automatic transmission being better than a manual. a simple aftermarket torque converter solves any low end power problems you guys are mentioning. manuals in my opinion are only "better" because the cost for performance being cheaper and maint. is minimal.(unless you rag the shit out of it)

for more info goto www.howstuffworks.com. comparing the two transmissions after reading what that site has to say about them tells me the auto makes more sense for a race car. but everyone is biased for stuff they prefer. :D


PS we need a mod to move this over to my thread i posted

im also not being a ass or any thing im just tring to state what i think. I have been thru the transmissions at how stuff works a few years ago. The manual i under stood the auto was pretty complex.

You look at any race car and its a manual, from top fuel dragsters, to rally cars, to le mans cars, even lame nascar cars (i think, i dont watch it though). Granted their manuals are diffrent! Like the top fuels they have the clutch right on the shifter and they just push it foward to shift up. Yes the F1 cars and the le mans cars are using that paddle shift, But! that is auto clutch tech, its still a manual at heart.

Why the auto was so popular back in the mussle car days was because for the reasions you said and thouse huge motors had plenty of torque so it diddent matter if some got eaten by the trans.

Personaly i HATE automatics they get in my way more then they help. Thouse new half breed ones arent bad but they are still a automatic at heart.

my mom has one of those "half breed" autos. waste of money.

most of those trannies you mentioned are considered automatics in my opinion. most everything done in them are auto and all you really do is push the shifter forward (as you would manually changing gears in an automatic transmission car). those things are beast powered by air cylinders or hydrualic pressure so all they do is poke the damn thing with their pinky and a new gear they go.

but everyone has their preferences and i respect yours. thx for the good debate :D

first of all, your wrong with the "full boost before you let your foot off the brake" comment... i've driven a Auto GSX quite a few times trying to find a better way to launch for a friend, cause the auto tranny sucks at launching. i can push the brake as hard as i can and even use the E-brake and the car still moves forward at 2500 RPMs, (which isnt full boost) now compare that to a 5spd launching at 5500 RPMs... sounds like you werent launching it good enough! go out a rev your 1st gen to about 5500 RPMs and slip the clutch out quick, then come back here and tell me which car launches better :p i'm not trying to start shit either, i'm just proving a point... if autos are so much better why doesnt everyone use them? and if you say most top fuel dragsters, funny cars, and the other race cars that run less than 8 sec 1/4 mile runs use automatic tranny's your wrong too... they have to be shifted to change gears, an automatic shifts for you or you can shift it manual (you have the option) and on most of the race type cars you have to shift it to change gears, you cant put it in one gear and have it shift itself so there for it's a manual whether there is a clutch or not! :smooch:

There is a thread all about tjis at dsm tuners and what they conclude was that auto tranny's kick ass in drag racing no and ifs or buts. Ofcourse not stock but torque cinverters take care of that. The manual tranny was said to own the road racing on tracks and what not. I have a 5 spd 97 rs and i totally agree.

I agree with rst, Thouse arent automatics. Thouse are manuals but a diffrent type.

Personaly i cant see how any one can perfer the auto, Having a manual is part of the whole sports car experence. You look at any real sports car and it is a manual with no automatic avaible.

When i race a automatic it feals so stupid, You just floor it and keep it floored.....Now with a manual you have some control and input, Alot more fun.

while were on the topic....any one know how the hell a 2G manual eclipse can shift smoother? Im not sure if its my tranny or shifter...aint the clutch though (just changed)....yesterday, at eVERY traff light and stop sign, my car REFUSED to go into 1st gear....it just would NOT ...no grinding, nothing...just would pretend that there wasnt a slot for 1st..., so i had to rev to 2K in 2nd gear to take off....HALP.

the only reason you see some dragsters running automatics is because manual clutches with that much HP behind them are wayyy too stiff for some people.

Manuals almost always run faster. It's not a preferences, it's just truth.

Last night I was racing my boy in my ESi manual. He wasin a 98 monte carlo. We were on the tollroad. LATE NITE!! We pulled into 2 slots next to each other. Paid at the same time, and the gates raised up. Tires squealed and we be gone. 110mph+!!!

Anywho, my manual always gets beat by a auto almost everytime. However, my 5spd will catch up and get the 4spd. I shift to 4th, he's only in 3rd. Always see this

"I hate it when there is too many civics not enough pros to many hondas not enough turbos" ~Ludapissed
Hondas arnt bad cars at all Its the tools that drive them, DSM turning tools into turners since 1990

Benefits and Weak Points
In addition to the very important job of allowing your car come to a complete stop without stalling the engine, the torque converter actually gives your car more torque when you accelerate out of a stop. Modern torque converters can multiply the torque of the engine by two to three times. This effect only happens when the engine is turning much faster than the transmission.
At higher speeds, the transmission catches up to the engine, eventually moving at almost the same speed. Ideally, though, the transmission would move at exactly the same speed as the engine, because this difference in speed wastes power. This is part of the reason why cars with automatic transmissions get worse gas mileage than cars with manual transmissions.

quote from www.howstuffworks.com

how can you guys say that automatics have no torque on the low end? that should give you actual facts on automatics not personal opinion.

ps. still not being an ass,:D

you missed the point... dont you remember we are talking about stock cars!

yea sure... build the shit out of it and it will shift a lot faster than a manual but thats besides the point... then it wouldnt be STOCK!

that quote i got was about stock/average automatics with stock/average torque converters

they dont have low end torque! show me where automatics have such good low end torque... i can prove they dont, or they would be in every semi out there! 99.9% of big rig semi's are manual transmissions gauranteed, trust me i know, i use to work on them. they put 15-1600 foot pounds of torque to the ground thru usually a 18 spd manual gear box... semi's only have 6 cylinders and run about 450-550hp, now tell me that a auto can do that!

knowing how much i hate honda's i will never sleep on them.being that i am a lube tech/valet at the honda dealership i have driven some fast as civics. we all know the s2000 and v6 accords are fast. but the civic si was a whole lot faster than i thought.when i first drove one i almost got fired from my job.but anyway there are a few people that bring there civics in and the look bone stock. but when u pull into the garage u can tell its not stock. 3 civics last week had a gsr motor in them. now ill be damned if i get beat by a singlecam civic.now if u race a civic and u get beat im sure it wasnt a singlecam.

I haven't been taken by a street driven civic yet and that includes some with the swap, turboed, supercharged, si's, vtec's. they were fast though.....for a civic. Now I have had my ass handed to me by crx's and s2000's, accord v6....couldn't tell ya most of them around here are driven by soccer moms. to be honest, I was taking lightly modified civics in my gs before I straped on some boost. of course they were probably teenagers that couldn't drive ,and got hooked on rice due to F&F lol. now if I woulda took the gsx out ...........there would have been some cooked rice for sure. I love it when they pull up to a light with me and rev their shit up, I just shake my head and ignore them.(I don't wanna waste boost on em). I just know that when they get back to their respective parking lot (or where ever they go) they say they smoked a gsx.