EVO 8 VS 1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1

Hey everyone. I was wondering what mods I would have to do to an EVO 8 to beat a 69 Mach 1 in a drag? I know I know the evo isn’t ment to be Drag raced but it’s just a friendly little wager my friend and me are having. He said once he gets his license and his dad gives him the mustang (and Hopefully I get my evo) and we were going to go to the closest drag strip and duke it out. His father re did the mustang in his garage. Just wondering what I would have to do to beat it.

whats a "wagger"...anyway what you would have to do is take like say the engine out of a mach 1 and drop in that bad boy and there you go.

stock for stock, i think it'd be damn close.

and by "re-did" te mustang, restored or muscled it out?

As far as I know, he just restored the whole car, so it should be how it is when it was stock.

you better upgrade the turbo and and maybe some nos might help but i think you would still lose

Kenwood guy you sound like a damn ricer. "Upgrade your turbo and naawz" somethin out of 2 Fast 2 Gay. I hate it when people talk about turbos like they know what the fuck it does, is, or how it works. You dont even know where the turbo goes!

As for the Evo VS Mach 1 Stang stock for stock. No contest, the Evo would kill it stock VS stock without the "naawwz" kenwood guy was talken about.

Heres the stats on the Mach 1..
0-60 mph: 5.7 sec
0-100 mph: 13.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.9 sec @ 103 mph

Here are the stats for the Evo
0-60 mph: 4.7 sec
0-100 mph: 12.45 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.08 sec @ 105 mph

Lets not froget the Evo is AWD so you got him at launch. Lets not even mention what the Evo would do to it in a road race. Good luck, whenever the race happens. Lets show those American Muscle car guys what a REAL import race car can do.

An EVO would kill any stock, classic Mustang, even the Boss 429 or 428 CJ. Now, start the mods on each and it could get interesting.

Kenwood guy you sound like a damn ricer. "Upgrade your turbo and naawz" somethin out of 2 Fast 2 Gay. I hate it when people talk about turbos like they know what the fuck it does, is, or how it works. You dont even know where the turbo goes!

As for the Evo VS Mach 1 Stang stock for stock. No contest, the Evo would kill it stock VS stock without the "naawwz" kenwood guy was talken about.

Heres the stats on the Mach 1..
0-60 mph: 5.7 sec
0-100 mph: 13.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.9 sec @ 103 mph

Here are the stats for the Evo
0-60 mph: 4.7 sec
0-100 mph: 12.45 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.08 sec @ 105 mph

Lets not froget the Evo is AWD so you got him at launch. Lets not even mention what the Evo would do to it in a road race. Good luck, whenever the race happens. Lets show those American Muscle car guys what a REAL import race car can do.


for some strange reason it seems to me the import guys think the Muscle car people drive there car stock no one thats into cars will leave there car stock!!!! ...well maybe a few my point is muscle car owners and import tuners love the after market with after market support and some $$$$$ you can make a mustang beat a evo (Belive it or not) just imagine a Boss 429 or 428 CJ with a twin turbo set up just like you import guys like it or a Ls6 with twin turbo(has been done) and all wheel drive for that matter whats going to happen then??? more money makes you go fast not more anger and hate for Muscle car guys and vise versa

The guy was talken about stock VS stock. You dont know shit about imports, all you ever seen was 2 Fast 2 Gay, and movies like that dont represent shit. So dont go telling people to put "nos" or "turbo" when you dont know that much about imports.

The guy was talken about stock VS stock. You dont know shit about imports, all you ever seen was 2 Fast 2 Gay, and movies like that dont represent shit. So dont go telling people to put "nos" or "turbo" when you dont know that much about imports.

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Its a shame people REALLY think the 2 Fast 2 Furious movies and games like NFS: Underground and Street Racing Syndicate are really how the import world is represented. All things like that do is make kids think its "cool" and rice out there car with shitty parts. All that does is get them killed, and make people laugh at Japanese cars, because they think everyone with an import, has a FWD economey car like a Civic. Its a shame, and it needs to stop!

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Damn american muscle stealin are Jap turbos bah.

Turbos ~ supra

Supercharger ~ mustang

END of story!

Damn american muscle stealin are Jap turbos bah.

Turbos ~ supra

Supercharger ~ mustang

END of story!

its good to fight fire with fire!! we all know that turbo is more effective then a supercharger and that Nitrous Oxide is by far the best bang for the buck what seems to be the problem??? never once did I mention a movie or video game is plan facts more diplacement plus forced induction ie turbo or super charge = more power very very simple the turbo Ls6 will be the come back kid trust me :)

Not neccesarly A supercharger is more constant and high powerd turbo decrease performance faster then supers. I heard a rumor the slr is turbo and super I know its supercharged but I dont no about the turbos.

As far as displacement goes it can kiss my ass. Thats why flat 6's ahve been proven more effective with turbos then v8 etc.

how about a highly displaced flat 6?? displacement and forced induction are key no matter what type of engine can we agree on that????

Yes but still a v8 has more displacement then a flat six even if the 6 is bord out.

Btw ~ I like your avatar :naughty: :evillol:

I enjoy talking to people like you then that know it all guy ok so say this guy had an evo and the other guy had insted a 5.0 mustang tuned and fixed up cam..the works can the evo still win stock???

No....

And I kno what cams are considering Im putting them in my rents new 04 c240 :iceslolanbrabus:iceslolan parts if you know what brabus is anyway. And no Im not one of those people that thinks my car can beat everything stock like a mclaren and btw my fave car is the Mc lm. Please if you think im not a performance enthusiast... :loser:

Another thing how tuned up what type drag? track? offroad? weather conditions? :disappoin

ahh forget i dont want to get anyone mad

ahh forget i dont want to get anyone mad
well how much hp whts the conditions cause if its rainy and a track im sure as hell that the evo would wreck a 5.0.

A 5.0 is a good drag car my shop teacher has a white 1 with 500 runnin under the hood and nos custom cobra head at the nitrous out let its sweet.

I will admit the evo by far is one of the best track cars around

Yes it is but drag or not I want to know common (jumpin up and down like a 9 year old)

well to you the truth I found a thread about a 5.0 mustang beating an evo in a drag the sad thing is I cannot find it anymore :(

haha by me theyre are soo many 5.0's rarely any evos out here but alot of sti's. :eek7:

I would imagine the sti and the evo are about the same true??

sti has about 30 more hp than the evo.

And shorter wheel base :naughty: Sry we left u outa the convo for so long lol it is your thread.

so is it better???

Evo is a better track car subaru is a better rally due to its shorter wheel base. Haveing more hp doesnt always mean its the best. Prime ex the NSX aka the golden child of performanc in my opinion.

ill let you know when I find that tread

ill let you know when I find that tread

?? Im lost about the Sti one of my friends ran it on a dyno it only ran off 281 hp ashame isnt it.

why is that??

Why is it ashame??

Because its running 20 hp less then what u paid for thats what.

Wow i didnt expect to get this many replys :D. But Once this race happens (still have to get the full time job, then the evo will be mine) I'll let everyone know the results. Hell, maybe I'll post some pics of his stang and my evo and some running photos for everyone! But If everything goes according to plan this race may happen next year either in spring or summer, So I'll keep everyone posted.

PS- Keep the posts comming!

Why is it ashame??

Because its running 20 hp less then what u paid for thats what.
that why you got up grade parts

that why you got up grade parts

Still in the long run your still losing 20 hp.

It like a pyramid if a block isnt there U cant just keep putting more on can you?

You know the Evo is maken 271 HP at the flywheel. At the wheels its only maken around 230 HP, but I think the performance is way impresive for that power. Motor Trend and Car And Driver both say they are the same, exept the editers of both magazines said they prefered the Evo over the Sti. The new Evo MR is even faster than the standered Evo. Crazy, but rare in this country.

does anyone know the stats for the 2003 Mach 1 mustangs?

They might have some at fast-autos.net.

Why is it ashame??

Because its running 20 hp less then what u paid for thats what.

no...its got 300 at the flywheel not at the wheels.

Actually 280 sounds kinda high considering its got all wheel drive and should be losing a lot more than 20hp.

As far as im conserned it should ahve 300 hp @ the wheels....

Way wrong! the STI has 300 at the crank, like 276 at the wheels, so 280 at the wheels is awsome for a stock STI. and the Evos 271 is also at the flywheel just like EvoCrazy said.

Yea, and the Evos only have around 230 HP to the wheels. Hard to bealive a car maken 230 HP at the wheels can do 60 MPH in under 5 seconds. Thats why I like the Evo. A good price, for a fast car.

Yea, and the Evos only have around 230 HP to the wheels. Hard to bealive a car maken 230 HP at the wheels can do 60 MPH in under 5 seconds. Thats why I like the Evo. A good price, for a fast car.
It's all in the AWD, the EVO is a very quick car but they are not particularly fast, and AWD dyno lower.

Note that even though they do the 1/4 mile at about 13.1-13.3 their trap speed is only around 103 MPH. In fact most of the ones I've seen are only trapping around 101-102.

My very close to stock 2001 Camaro SS runs the 1/4 consistent 13.1's but...the trap speeds are 106.5-107.5, showing the real HP of the SS.

Although a very close race in the 1/4 mile with stock tires, with slicks the SS would run 12.80 or better and out on the open highway the SS would eat the EVO alive, and it tops out well past 155 MPH too.

AWD is great, but some folks get a bit short sighted when it comes to how fast an AWD car is versus how quick it is.

I'de STILL take the Evo over the SS. I dont rellay like American cars, and I've been a fan of the Evo for so long.

I prefer to have both types, AWD/Turbo & RWD V-8, hence my Talon and my SS. Actually, LOL the SS was built in Canada!

Seriously though, I like the EVO/STI ,was going to buy one or the other, but...after driving em they seemed too slow on the highway for my tastes, and I do a lot of daily highway driving.

The SS is a monster on the highway, hit it at 70 and it 's drops to second and will litterally snap your neck back.
My SS feels stonger on the highway than my Talon did when it was running mid 12's.

Just got the new issue of Motor Trend in which they compared the EVO MR and the STI.

HP @ the wheels (both have 7000 redline):
EVO: 239 @6400
STI: 233 @5500

Torque @ the wheels ("):
EVO: 248 @3750
STI: 249 @4000

I converted the numbers to what they would, be at the crank, with a 15 percent drivetrain loss and a 17 percent dirvetrain loss:

Horsepower
EVO: 281.17 @6400
STI: 274.11 @5500

Torque
EVO: 291.76 @3750
STI: 292.94 @4000

I will also post the acceleration numbers, so the trap speed questions can be answered.

0-30
EVO: 1.5
STI: 1.2

0-40
EVO: 2.4
STI: 2.2

0-50
EVO: 3.6
STI: 3.2

0-60
EVO: 4.7
STI: 4.7

0-70
EVO: 6.4
STI: 6.4

0-80
EVO: 8.2
STI: 8.5

0-100
EVO: 13.1
STI: 13.2

1/4 mile
EVO: 13.3 @102.2
STI: [email protected]

MOTOR TREND figure eight (EVO has the handling edge)
EVO: 25.70 @0.70g
STI: 26.07 @0.70g

Road Course (Streets of Willow Springs)
EVO: 1:34.38
STI: 1:35.37

Slalom
EVO: 70.1mph
STI: 69.7mph

BTW the EVO won the comparison.

I forgot to add the 17 percent drivetrain loss firgures.

Horsepower
EVO: 287.95 @6400
STI: 280.72 @5500

Torque
EVO: 298.79 @3750
STI: 300 @4000

Well the sad part is the is the MR, AND they said the STI felt soft, I would attribute that to whatever they did to the timing map to get rid of the detonation issue the STI was having.

i would go for the MR, but i actually prefer the g35 or the 350z to the sti and the evo. i own a g35 sedan, so i guess i am biased. yet, i have a feeling that the stock evo will fall flat on its face in most highway races. i hear that anything in 5th gear w/a stock evo is painfully slow (ovbiously not civic hb slow, but significantly less than what one would b expecting, aerodynamics aren't the greatest either). 350z with supercharger of turbo kit would b my choice

I LOVE the 350Z AKA Fairlady Z33 in Japan, but I would still take the Evo over it. But if I cant get an Evo, I think the Z33 Track would be my second choice.

well lets see you don't have the evo your friend does not have his d.l. nor the ok from his dad to borrow the stang to go drag race after just gettin his liscense. what kind of exprience do eithier of you have drag racing?? and nos is not the best bang for the buck when you blow your engine and have to spend a few thousand dollars for a new one and someone to put it in the right wayhttp://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/smokin.gif

I hate NOS.

hmmm I wonder why???

Back on topic.

If I recall correctly, most of the 69 Mach 1’s came with the 351 Cleveland, options were 428 Cobra Jet with and without Ram air and 428 Super Cobra Jet.

I think the EVO can take the 351 cid Mach 1 and should have a reasonably good shot at taking the Boss 429 in the ¼. The EVO should do even better against them 0-60.

The only info I have for the top performing Mustangs from 69-71 are as follows:
69 Mach1 428 Cobra Jet, 335 HP. 13.90 @ 103
69 Boss 429, 375 HP. 13.60 @ 106
71 Boss 351, 330 HP. 13.80 @ 104

Please see Muscle Car Club link below.
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml

does anyone know if an evo can top a cts-v???