Locations?
Sccrplyr06
08-31-2004, 12:26 PM
I was just wondering where all of the LM's are located. I know there's one in Mass and two in Brunei (I'm sure thats spelled wrong). But where are the other two and I guess the prototype?
Thorst13
08-31-2004, 12:34 PM
1:Prototype - McLaren
2:Sultan of Brunei X 2
3:Collector from Japan
4:Selldorff
2:Sultan of Brunei X 2
3:Collector from Japan
4:Selldorff
Peloton25
08-31-2004, 12:44 PM
The Brunei Royal Family has 3 apparently. Remember, there are a total of 6 LMs when you include the prototype.
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Sccrplyr06
08-31-2004, 03:33 PM
Alright thanks for the info.
jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 03:42 PM
Ok jus 1 quick question since this is the most recent thread here it goes...
Wouldnt the suzuki escudo be faster then the mclaren f1 its lighter has a full range aero package front and rear diffusers and spoilers and comes with 950 hp stock. Would it be able to?
Wouldnt the suzuki escudo be faster then the mclaren f1 its lighter has a full range aero package front and rear diffusers and spoilers and comes with 950 hp stock. Would it be able to?
acrid850
08-31-2004, 03:47 PM
Maybe.....but then again the engine on the McLaren is built to last more that a single climb on Pike's Peak, which is all the Escudo was built for.
jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 03:51 PM
It would be sort of a good face off dont you agree just for like 2 laps or a strait drag. It would be very interesting! :iceslolan
drPhibes
08-31-2004, 03:51 PM
I hope you mean the escudo pikes peak special. the regular escudo is the same car as the grand vitara, fyi.
the simple answer is no. the escudo pp is built for racing at pikes peak, 4000 meters above sea level (approx. 12000ft), where the air density is much lower than at sea level. at sea level, the enormous drag created by the oversized wings would make it hopelessly slow in a straight line, even with the claimed 950bhp. as opposed to what some people (i.e. idiots) think, wings and spoilers do not make the car faster. one other thing is thet the gearbox of the escudo pp is custom built, and has a low final drive ratio which probably can't be altered much without the complete gearbox being redesigned.
the simple answer is no. the escudo pp is built for racing at pikes peak, 4000 meters above sea level (approx. 12000ft), where the air density is much lower than at sea level. at sea level, the enormous drag created by the oversized wings would make it hopelessly slow in a straight line, even with the claimed 950bhp. as opposed to what some people (i.e. idiots) think, wings and spoilers do not make the car faster. one other thing is thet the gearbox of the escudo pp is custom built, and has a low final drive ratio which probably can't be altered much without the complete gearbox being redesigned.
jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 03:53 PM
I hope you mean the escudo pikes peak special. the regular escudo is the same car as the grand vitara, fyi.
No grand vitara LOL.... :rofl:
No the PP version obviously.
No grand vitara LOL.... :rofl:
No the PP version obviously.
acrid850
08-31-2004, 06:07 PM
I hope you mean the escudo pikes peak special. the regular escudo is the same car as the grand vitara, fyi.
the simple answer is no. the escudo pp is built for racing at pikes peak, 4000 meters above sea level (approx. 12000ft), where the air density is much lower than at sea level. at sea level, the enormous drag created by the oversized wings would make it hopelessly slow in a straight line, even with the claimed 950bhp. as opposed to what some people (i.e. idiots) think, wings and spoilers do not make the car faster. one other thing is thet the gearbox of the escudo pp is custom built, and has a low final drive ratio which probably can't be altered much without the complete gearbox being redesigned.
I agree....the Escudo PP could beat the McLaren only at what it was built for.....Pikes Peak. The McLaren is far civilized to play in the mud anyway.
the simple answer is no. the escudo pp is built for racing at pikes peak, 4000 meters above sea level (approx. 12000ft), where the air density is much lower than at sea level. at sea level, the enormous drag created by the oversized wings would make it hopelessly slow in a straight line, even with the claimed 950bhp. as opposed to what some people (i.e. idiots) think, wings and spoilers do not make the car faster. one other thing is thet the gearbox of the escudo pp is custom built, and has a low final drive ratio which probably can't be altered much without the complete gearbox being redesigned.
I agree....the Escudo PP could beat the McLaren only at what it was built for.....Pikes Peak. The McLaren is far civilized to play in the mud anyway.
jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 06:13 PM
Yea but the dynamics of the little ba$tard are crazy 950 hp and weighs less then the Mclaren! Any gear box can be altered!
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/suzuki/escudo_1.jpg
Notice all the aero parts on it. I think it might be able to.
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/suzuki/escudo_1.jpg
Notice all the aero parts on it. I think it might be able to.
Peloton25
08-31-2004, 06:51 PM
It's a purpose built mountain climber - just because you can change the gear ratios in GranTurismo and make some capable race car out of it ( :screwy: ) does not mean that making the same modifications in the real world would net you similar results. The car would not perform like you think it would and being that its a tube framed race chassis, you wouldn't really want to drive it anyway. Cars are more than just numbers my friend...
And did you read what drPhibes wrote?
as opposed to what some people (i.e. idiots) think, wings and spoilers do not make the car faster.
Key point right there.... :thumbsup:
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And did you read what drPhibes wrote?
as opposed to what some people (i.e. idiots) think, wings and spoilers do not make the car faster.
Key point right there.... :thumbsup:
>8^)
ER
jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 07:17 PM
drPhibes ~ I NEVER SAID IT MAKES IT GO FASTER!! Where the hell did you get "makes it go faster"?? please STFU! Im taking about road holding dont kno what you are talking about maybe you dont think we need spoilers right?? So I supposed the german touring series (dtm) dosent have any nor does le mans prototypes right? Wait.... lets not forget my sig the f1 car the most unparalleld land vehicle on earth I guess that dosent use a spoiler either right and we dont need diffusers either. So I guess the incidents in the pasts years with 2 of my favorite cars dont count for aerodynamics faliures correct the clk-lm that flipped and of course the porsche GT1 in le man! I guess they just magically flipped. right???
http://www.vehiclecraft.com/petitporsche.mpeg ~ this could have anything to do with aerodynamics right! :loser:
http://www.vehiclecraft.com/petitporsche.mpeg ~ this could have anything to do with aerodynamics right! :loser:
mini magic
08-31-2004, 07:19 PM
And did you read what drPhibes wrote?
Key point right there.... :thumbsup:
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Well said
Key point right there.... :thumbsup:
>8^)
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Well said
mini magic
08-31-2004, 07:33 PM
drPhibes ~ I NEVER SAID IT MAKES IT GO FASTER!! Where the hell did you get "makes it go faster"??
Post #5
Im taking about road holding dont kno what you are talking about maybe you dont think we need spoilers right?? So I supposed the german touring series (dtm) dosent have any nor does le mans prototypes right?
I don't really have the time and patience to reply to this so i'm going to leave it
So I guess the incidents in the pasts years with 2 of my favorite cars dont count for aerodynamics faliures correct the clk-lm that flipped and of course the porsche GT1 in le man! I guess they just magically flipped. right???
Regulations required a flat bottom of the car, it was because of this the CLR (not the CLK-LM) flipped. There was nothing they could do.
It has a lot to do with other things as well. Speed for one. Look at nascar. A lot of cars get airborne in nascar simply because of a unplanable situation ie crashing. They were designed to stay on the ground going forwards, as soon as that airflow is changed, you've got problems. Not even the biggest wing in the world could keep them on the ground.
Post #5
Im taking about road holding dont kno what you are talking about maybe you dont think we need spoilers right?? So I supposed the german touring series (dtm) dosent have any nor does le mans prototypes right?
I don't really have the time and patience to reply to this so i'm going to leave it
So I guess the incidents in the pasts years with 2 of my favorite cars dont count for aerodynamics faliures correct the clk-lm that flipped and of course the porsche GT1 in le man! I guess they just magically flipped. right???
Regulations required a flat bottom of the car, it was because of this the CLR (not the CLK-LM) flipped. There was nothing they could do.
It has a lot to do with other things as well. Speed for one. Look at nascar. A lot of cars get airborne in nascar simply because of a unplanable situation ie crashing. They were designed to stay on the ground going forwards, as soon as that airflow is changed, you've got problems. Not even the biggest wing in the world could keep them on the ground.
jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 07:37 PM
? :wtf:
Why is mini replyin to this?
Why is mini replyin to this?
Peloton25
08-31-2004, 08:45 PM
jc - don't tell people to STFU in here - it's just uncalled for.
The rest of the points you made are just too convoluted to even begin to reply to.
So, you've managed to drag a thread an impossible distance away from the original topic, and attempt to incite a flame-fest because someone with obviously quite a bit of knowledge questioned your logic. If that's the way you're going to be, I'd respectfully request you choose not to use the posting buttons in this forum any longer. We just don't need that here.
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The rest of the points you made are just too convoluted to even begin to reply to.
So, you've managed to drag a thread an impossible distance away from the original topic, and attempt to incite a flame-fest because someone with obviously quite a bit of knowledge questioned your logic. If that's the way you're going to be, I'd respectfully request you choose not to use the posting buttons in this forum any longer. We just don't need that here.
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jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 08:53 PM
I apologize but calling some1 an idiot when that isnt even what they stated is also imature as well.
Peloton25
08-31-2004, 09:00 PM
He didn't call you an idiot though.... :screwy: :banghead:
He said that people who think wings make a car faster - meaning "ACCELERATION" - are idiots. If you aren't one of those people (and some of your comments left me wondering if you might be) then you have nothing to worry about.
I have an idea, let's just drop it. ;)
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He said that people who think wings make a car faster - meaning "ACCELERATION" - are idiots. If you aren't one of those people (and some of your comments left me wondering if you might be) then you have nothing to worry about.
I have an idea, let's just drop it. ;)
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jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 09:03 PM
"what were we talking about" oh yeah locations :smile: Just guess for you wich I think you should do is write a letter to brunie sayin you want to write an article on his cars he might just do it. he lives on the sunset strip you know that right?
jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 09:10 PM
Peloton25
08-31-2004, 09:56 PM
The Brunei Royal Family does own a ridiculous mansion in the Beverly Hills area, but the Sultan doesn't really live there. ;)
As for the GTR, it's the Hitotsuyama car - the one that more recently wore the YellowCorn sponsorship. It is GTR #25R.
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As for the GTR, it's the Hitotsuyama car - the one that more recently wore the YellowCorn sponsorship. It is GTR #25R.
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jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 09:57 PM
The sultan cant live in brunie though theres too much danger has to stay there sometime.
Btw ~ the calsonic wooped its ass lol sry but as u can c on my avatar I love nissan motorsports till I die. I want to get the nissan skyline r34 gt-t.
Btw ~ the calsonic wooped its ass lol sry but as u can c on my avatar I love nissan motorsports till I die. I want to get the nissan skyline r34 gt-t.
jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 10:02 PM
Oh yeah the mclaren there will either be sold off or found a new owner soon all jgtc teams have upgraded cars and the mclaren is not on the roster neither is the r34 gtr it is being replaced by the ugly 350 z. :mad:
mini magic
08-31-2004, 10:34 PM
? :wtf:
Why is mini replyin to this?
Why the hell not?
Btw, its called the edit button for a reason
Why is mini replyin to this?
Why the hell not?
Btw, its called the edit button for a reason
Peloton25
08-31-2004, 11:17 PM
GTR #25R is still in Japan - you are correct though, its no longer competing. Towards the end of it's life, it wasn't all that competitive against the other turbo cars in the GT500 class.
Btw, its called the edit button for a reason
Wow - that's some IRONY right there. :lol:
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Btw, its called the edit button for a reason
Wow - that's some IRONY right there. :lol:
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jcsaleen
08-31-2004, 11:19 PM
I know hes not back but he has a vengance (stated earlier this month or last dont remember) lol.
Thorst13
09-01-2004, 05:53 AM
Well, I have to say you're both right and wrong folks! Spoilers generally serve the purpose of having the car to act in a desired way, usually the cars are slowed down in exchange of better handling and performance. BUT it is also possible to make a car FASTER using help from aerodynamics combined with spoilers for braking air resistance more effectivly and generate higer speeds!
I also think you hammered jc quite a bit here, it obvious some of us have great knowledge in cars and circumstances around them. However I sometimes think that the knowledge is beeing used to make other members seem like raving idiots!
Jc was simply asking a question and "dreaming" a little (as we all do from time to time), he was wrong in this discussion, but on the other hand he makes some points and wished only to disuss, not argue!
Sadly he gets upset when people hammers down his replys and uses the WTF, that is not OK, but I think he has done alot to keep this an enjoyable forum and think we all should just forget that remark as I sure it was posted in affection.
I also think you hammered jc quite a bit here, it obvious some of us have great knowledge in cars and circumstances around them. However I sometimes think that the knowledge is beeing used to make other members seem like raving idiots!
Jc was simply asking a question and "dreaming" a little (as we all do from time to time), he was wrong in this discussion, but on the other hand he makes some points and wished only to disuss, not argue!
Sadly he gets upset when people hammers down his replys and uses the WTF, that is not OK, but I think he has done alot to keep this an enjoyable forum and think we all should just forget that remark as I sure it was posted in affection.
jcsaleen
09-01-2004, 08:55 AM
Thanks man
But do you have to sacrifice 1 for the other (topend for handleing)
Why not just have an automatic spoiler that controls the downforce settings that is controlld from inside the vehicle?
But do you have to sacrifice 1 for the other (topend for handleing)
Why not just have an automatic spoiler that controls the downforce settings that is controlld from inside the vehicle?
kfoote
09-01-2004, 09:41 AM
Since this thread is already so far OT...
Regulations for just about every major racing series worldwide prohibit moveable aerodynamic devices. THe exceptions that I know of are Super Modifieds and World of Outlaws Sprint Cars. This was primarily as a result of the Chapparal Can-Am cars dominating in the mid to late 60's with a wing that did exactly what is being referred to.
Some of the Porsche 993's and 996's actually had the opposite, a wing that deployed at a certain speed (I believe it was around 60 MPH, not certain) for added stability at high speeds.
Regulations for just about every major racing series worldwide prohibit moveable aerodynamic devices. THe exceptions that I know of are Super Modifieds and World of Outlaws Sprint Cars. This was primarily as a result of the Chapparal Can-Am cars dominating in the mid to late 60's with a wing that did exactly what is being referred to.
Some of the Porsche 993's and 996's actually had the opposite, a wing that deployed at a certain speed (I believe it was around 60 MPH, not certain) for added stability at high speeds.
jcsaleen
09-01-2004, 10:06 AM
Some of the Porsche 993's and 996's actually had the opposite, a wing that deployed at a certain speed (I believe it was around 60 MPH, not certain) for added stability at high speeds.
yea I have a vid of the 996 were the wing deploys @ 60+ mph.
yea I have a vid of the 996 were the wing deploys @ 60+ mph.
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