Any Teams Out There?

I just moved to Rohnert Park and i just recently put together a initial d racing team called Project D It consists of a, Toyota Trueno with over 2,000,000 points (me), a FD with 1,250,000 points, a FC with 1,120,000 points, and a Subaru Impreza WRX Type R with over 2,500,000 points. We cover all aspects of the game and we havent been beaten in a long time and are hoping to get a tournament going in san francisco at the metreon for any teams or loners who can get their. If you are interested email me at [email protected] were debating on playing for money or just to kick some ass if your interested get some teams together and email me. Or post your team name here and your cars, with their points.





*Drive It Like You Stole It* Later.

with those cars you better work on your team a lot more.

Me and you both know that the cars dont matter its the skill of the driver and if you knew that, i wouldnt have to work on my team at all.

a. It's the skill of the driver.
b. All of those cars are pretty near the top, except the FC3S, but it's still a beast on Akagi and not bad on Akina.
c. duluth2006, what kind of times do you run? You seem to talk down to a lot of people on this forum...are you really good at the game or something?

a.) no its fucking not the skill of the driver, of course that is a factor, levin versus skyline on myogi, who wins? SKYLINE levin can't do SHIT about it. if it was the skill of the driver that mattered why can't underpowered cars own the time attacks and own in battles? they can't if the two same people have the same amount of skill and one is driving a home course car and one is driving an underpowered car, underpowered car would obviously lose.
b. all the cars are NOT near the top. goto initiald.org, they have rankings for each car dry, wet, and snow. so obviously all cars are not NEAR the top. the wrx is good for rain and the trueno is basically only good for akina. the fc only has one advantage over the silvia on akagi, ITS MORE STABLE.
c. i do not talk down on others, i simply inform them. and i'm not gonna say i'm GOOD at the game 'cause good is being able to get a 2'39 on tsuchi a 3'20 in the snow, etc.. etc.. i'm not godly but i am decent.

a. Myogi is basically a top speed war, so of course the Skyline is going to win in that match-up. If you're talking about a more technical track like Akina, however, a highly experienced driver in an 86 Levin will beat a noob in an 86 Trueno. Driver skill is the PRIMARY factor in deciding who will win a race. Now, if both drivers are equal in skill, then yes, it will come down to the car.
b. I visit www.initiald.org (http://www.initiald.org) all the time, and all of those cars except for the FC and ranked in the top 10. They have some strong courses and some weak courses, but they are good cars overall. Besides, it wouldn't matter even if they weren't, since the team name/theme is Project D and those are the cars that are associated with it.
c. I was just wondering what kind of times you run, since you seem to be an Initial D: Arcade Stage expert. Next time I go to the arcade, I'm gonna get I.R. passwords so that I can post my times.

a.) no its fucking not the skill of the driver, of course that is a factor, levin versus skyline on myogi, who wins? SKYLINE levin can't do SHIT about it. if it was the skill of the driver that mattered why can't underpowered cars own the time attacks and own in battles? they can't if the two same people have the same amount of skill and one is driving a home course car and one is driving an underpowered car, underpowered car would obviously lose.
b. all the cars are NOT near the top. goto initiald.org, they have rankings for each car dry, wet, and snow. so obviously all cars are not NEAR the top. the wrx is good for rain and the trueno is basically only good for akina. the fc only has one advantage over the silvia on akagi, ITS MORE STABLE.
c. i do not talk down on others, i simply inform them. and i'm not gonna say i'm GOOD at the game 'cause good is being able to get a 2'39 on tsuchi a 3'20 in the snow, etc.. etc.. i'm not godly but i am decent.

ok, of course the skyline will win on myogi...but what about if two cars (r34 & levin) goes to a stage where they are eventually equal in skills and is a fair match...like akina...who will win??? Now this comes to the skills...since the r34 can't turn for shit..and the levin dont have the pick up...who will win???

a. Myogi is basically a top speed war, so of course the Skyline is going to win in that match-up. If you're talking about a more technical track like Akina, however, a highly experienced driver in an 86 Levin will beat a noob in an 86 Trueno. Driver skill is the PRIMARY factor in deciding who will win a race. Now, if both drivers are equal in skill, then yes, it will come down to the car.
b. I visit www.initiald.org (http://www.initiald.org) all the time, and all of those cars except for the FC and ranked in the top 10. They have some strong courses and some weak courses, but they are good cars overall. Besides, it wouldn't matter even if they weren't, since the team name/theme is Project D and those are the cars that are associated with it.
c. I was just wondering what kind of times you run, since you seem to be an Initial D: Arcade Stage expert. Next time I go to the arcade, I'm gonna get I.R. passwords so that I can post my times.

yes i agree with you too....i wonder what kind of time is he running....i need proof of his times not just words.....

ok i'm not gonna even bother replying to omega 'cause he's just basically saying everything you are like an echo.

a.) that is true in some aspects. let's take my view though, initial-d is obviously not only about battle.. the time attack aspect is a pretty big part of the game correct? yes, what i'm saying is that there is no way x car (being home course car) vs. y car (being an underpowered car) can even AMOUNT to the times that x car can. meaning that skill isn't needed to have good times with the x-car and with y-car you'd have to be VERY good to amount to basic times with the x-car, correct? i was just using skyline vs. the levin for an example of how much skill can come into play for a good time with y car.
2.) yes those cars are rated good but they suck in battle and also really don't overpower any stage. most teams raise the best cars so they'd have trouble racing other teams. it was suggestive help 'cause most of the teams they will be facing will not give them the same pleasure of racing for fun, but as like team omega does, keeps asking for a challenge to see "who's the best". i said with those cars you better work on your team some more, plus their racing for money? i posted that 'cause he's getting himself into something that could screw him over.
c. like i said, my times aren't the best but i do research initial-d and i know a few people who i consider to be experts at the game. although anyone can be good at this game if they play it all the time.

a. Well, at the arcade I go to, there are a lot of people who use Evo IV's on Irohazaka and Tsuchizaka, and I can beat their times by about 5 seconds in my Celica GT-Four, because they don't know to drive properly. You're right, a better car on a course will inevitably run a faster time on that course, but it still might not be a very fast time.
b. The GC8V and FD3S do not suck in battle. They may not have very many (if any) king courses, but they are both top 10 in nearly every course in the game, so they don't have many weaknesses either, meaning they will have a decent shot even at home course cars on their home course.
c. I'm not trying to make a personal attack at all, I was just curious. Sorry.

a.) 5 seconds doesn't seem right. they must be noobs, or they play the game but still play like its their first time. i mean come on, are you proud of beating someone who doesn't even know that downshifting or braking gives you a better turning radius? when i was talking about skill doesn't matter when its a x-car against y-car my point is a person who drives x-car and knows the basics (line and speed balance) against the y-car (very skilled player runs VERY fast times but with an underpowered car) could NEVER amount to the times of x-car. so that's what i mean by skill not playing a factor. i mean you can't MAKE any car run the fastest times in the world.

b.) well defined by what standard do they suck in battle? an decent player with an rx-8 or gdb could murder those cars. we all know the most important factor in battling is the start-up. you NEVER pass on the outside and to pass on a straight away your opponent had to of fucked up REALLY bad and even if you have the right speed to pass, doesn't really mean you are gonna pass. i won't disagree with them being good all around cars.. i'm just saying battle wise, all around cars doesn't mean shit.

c.) yes i'm not offended. but after dealing with the "team_omega" its gets annoying. just 'cause you have faster times doesn't really mean i'm wrong, now does it? like i said before, ANYBODY can be good at this time who puts money + time into it. if you look in my older threads some guy did have faster times than them but they just blew it off. i mean i know what i'm saying is correct and i'm just trying to help spread the knowledge. in no way am i trying to say i'm a god at this game, i'm trying to HELP others. i'm not trying to challenge others or say i'm better than others.

a. I'm not proud of it, I'm just saying that a good car means nothing if you can't use it properly. We're kinda beating a dead horse here.

b. Blocking/passing is an important part of battle, but you can't always rely on it, especially on wider tracks like Akagi and Akina. In fact, taking an RX-8 to Akina, especially Akina Snow, is usually a very bad match-up for them (especially if you're in a GC8V). The GDB is a little more balanced, but it still won't stand up to the GC8V on almost any course.

c. Knowing the facts and knowing how to apply them are two different things. You can say all you want what's important in the game, but if you can't do it yourself then you saying it doesn't mean much...

a.) not really, the people you are talking about are like i said noobs or play but act like its still their first time playing. i was talking about people who know the basics using home course cars versus people who are very skillful using an underpowered car couldn't amount to the home course cars times. which is true... figuring out how a car handles doesn't take that long to get used too, i mean in the sense that nothing is like the ea11r from version 2.

b. that is somewhat true, but same for the otherway around... you can't count on passing. i mean its obvious that it takes a lot more speed to pass on the outside so assuming the person ahead takes the inner most line, even if it is at a slower speed than the other car (which i might add shouldn't be that hard to take the inner line) he shouldn't be able to pass. actually the rx8 is more balanced than the gdb in the sense that in the rain the gdb sucks the reason why people play the gdb is 'cause it has a faster start-up than the rx8 thus it has a pretty good chance at beating it. also what are you talking about the gdb won't stand up to the gc8v? the gc8v isn't THAT great, i mean technically the rx8 is rated better than that + it has a greater start up. not to mention the gdb doesn't have exactly the best turning but it does have a fast start up, like i stated before thats one of the most important factors in battle. time attack of course IS different, but if we are talking about battle and the gdb or rx8 KNOWS how to block and take an inner line (WHICH ISN'T THAT HARD) he shouldn't have any trouble winning.

c. no, you missed my point. i APPLY everything i learn i just don't have arcade close enough to me to go down there every time i damn well please, unlike the lot of ya... so refining the techinques is harder.

who would want to take a underpowered car to your home course that is completely boring...of course the home course car will win....im talking about no home courses for any car....that's a decent battle right there...cause taking any underpower car to your car's home course is like a handicap....myogi is like a high speed track...skyline top out at 206 -207+has the launch...levin tops out at 201-202+slow start up, skyline would obviously win....ok taking about home courses, shomaru outbound....cap vs. gdb...same equal skills...who wins gdb cause u just need to block all the way....gdb launch first....big back to block

uh, believe it or not it happens and a lot of people take advantage of weaker cars by taking them to a home course stage or a stage where they have a disadvantage. also, you missed the whole point of a my myogi explanation which later, if you read my posts, explains what i meant. your shomaru example. doesn't work. if it was time attack the GDB couldn't TOUCH the capp's times even if he was the best player in the world (which was my re-defined answer of levin versus skyline on myogi). also, i said that in battle, which we all know START-UP MATTERS hence the blocking system has changed drastically with "no barrier" which also helped emphasize my "cars matter" 'cause you use different cars for battle (start-up) while as for time attack you use home course cars. sheeesh, did you read anything i said in this thread?

The GC8V is actually really good. It's rated 3rd overall in the game, not because of a couple king courses, but because it is a very solid car all-around. Yeah, the RX-8 is better, but not so much better that a good GC8V driver won't stand a chance. And besides, the GC8V can always take the RX-8 to Akina or Akina Snow for a good old-fashioned ass-whooping. :)

no doubt in that, my point was its not really the best battle car... but i still say that an decent rx-8 driver could beat a very skilled gc8v plus all you need to win in battle is basically a good start-up plus a inner line for all the corners. although if i was battling, i'd get a 6-gear car regardless hence being on someone's rear end sucks so much.

No, it's not the best battle car, but it's still pretty high up. I have an RX-8 and a GDB, but I never use them because I don't like the way they drive. The GC8V is very responsive, very accurate, and decently fast just about anywhere, making it my favorite car for battle. I agree that a good RX-8 driver can beat me on most courses, but there aren't many RX-8 drivers around here as good as me, and I can always beat them on Akina (and usually Akagi Uphill too).

I thought u said that if u take a car to ur home course no matter what the home course car will win....that's what u said on ur previously post...

yeah that's true kman, but i mean say there were more skilled players around you... you'd probably use the rx-8 or gdb? but i think that 6-gear cars are harder to get used to than 5-gear cars. about the handling of the gc8v, it does kick ass. but i hate being behind during the start..

and omega i said that a home course car player who is decent could run times that a skilled player using an underpowered could never reach just 'cause its underpowered.

I honestly wouldn't use the RX-8 or GDB. For one, I like to be different, and both of those cars are overused. And both of the cars have a bad habit of understeering, which just bothers me. I'd much rather go with a GC8V or CN9A, because I love the way they drive, look, and feel.

are you talking about the lock-up? if that happen then you aren't taking the turn properly. i had the same problem on tsuchizaka but i figured out what i was doing wrong in the turn and fixed it and now there is minor understeer, nothing that a little turn of the wheel wouldn't solve. not to mention gc8v has understeer too, at least when i played it on akina.

I'm not talking about lock-up, I'm saying the thing just understeers. The GC8V understeers a little, but not as much IMO.

yeah and with the evo's the 4 is obviously the most stable. evo 5 goes loses control at high speeds..

Yeah, I just made a 5 today and I had a hard time controlling it on Tsuchi. I'll stick with the GC8V and Evo 4 as my main cars.

a.) no its fucking not the skill of the driver, of course that is a factor, levin versus skyline on myogi, who wins? SKYLINE levin can't do SHIT about it. if it was the skill of the driver that mattered why can't underpowered cars own the time attacks and own in battles? they can't if the two same people have the same amount of skill and one is driving a home course car and one is driving an underpowered car, underpowered car would obviously lose.
b. all the cars are NOT near the top. goto initiald.org, they have rankings for each car dry, wet, and snow. so obviously all cars are not NEAR the top. the wrx is good for rain and the trueno is basically only good for akina. the fc only has one advantage over the silvia on akagi, ITS MORE STABLE.
c. i do not talk down on others, i simply inform them. and i'm not gonna say i'm GOOD at the game 'cause good is being able to get a 2'39 on tsuchi a 3'20 in the snow, etc.. etc.. i'm not godly but i am decent.

read your third line....

tEaM oMeGa we're having a civilized discussion here, don't start flaming please.

IF they have to same amount of skill and one is driveing a home course car and the other has the underpowered car. that doesn't mean automatic lose for the underpowered car. 1 its a battle anyone of a number of this could go wrong. 2 if they have the same amount of skill they should run the same time or really close. I raced an Evo V on Tsuchi with my Evo lll and its ranked 18th on that course and I won we both run a 2:43.

he didn't read all my posts. he just read the first one. later on i CHANGED my example since many mistook it for something else. omega what i mean is that a levin driver could be very skilled but it could never amount to the times of a skyline on myogi. that goes for ALL the stages, you can't make any car run as fast as the trueno on akina, now can you? it wasn't directly meant for battle, it was JUST THE EXAMPLE. i mean a beginner (understands line + braking) evo5 driver could run way faster times on tsuchizaka than an EXPERT 85. if skill was a factor and all the cars were the same it wouldn't be as fun, i know that nor am i bitching about that. i'm just saying, you obviously cannot say skill is the only factor... so ??

rinoa, i didn't mean it that way. but still certain cars for time attack and certain cars for battle... not every car is good for battle. start-up is very important in version 3 since battle has changed a lot since 2. also, yes so you race the same times so you are equal but if he gets better he has a possibility of running times that the evo 3 could only dream about. most of these things were already talked about with me and kman in the past posts, its like a broken record. everyone should read the past page before posting...

Well, I never said that skill is the only factor in determining the outcome of a battle, I said it's the most important factor. A car is only as fast as you can drive it.

i say its start-up still. you don't have to be good time-wise to win a battle... skill is needed but its BASIC skill. two expert people who play, whoever gets the lead wins. then if they are driving the same car, let's say evo5, then its who ever gets the shorter line before the first turn...

But see, you can't set ground rules like that and say "if this person does this under these circumstances, they will win". There are way too many variables in any battle. The car is one of them. The rest are determined by a driver's skill.

well, that's how it is. if a person stays to an inner line, how will they pass? its not really a demanding circumstance, you SHOULD be doing it anyways.. plus if you automatically get the lead with a car with a good-start up... plus its not like they'd be blocked at not able to see.

Well, how many people are there out there who can constantly hug the very inner line without hitting any walls? And also, if you are constantly hugging the inner line, you're not going to be able to do a proper out-in-out, so the other person could be taking corners faster than you, and eventually will be able to pass you on the outside.

the blocking system has drasitcally changed. as long as you take the inner line, there is no way in hell they'd be able to pass on the outside. straights are the easiest place to block, turns are always the BEST place to overtake someone... so that's why taking the inner line of the turn is important. also, you have a misconception about what INNER LINE means, out-in(meaning inner line of the turn, apex, call itwhat you want)-out. so no, even if he did take it faster the proper line would still give you the lead. and no, its impossible to pass on the outside without boost on, name one turn you can pass on the outside... go ahead, name one... none. turns have a apex limit and taking a wider line, even if it is at a higher speed isn't that good of an idea. take irohazaka for example a bad out-in-out line would RUIN your time completly.

I see your point but if the driver is very skilled he can get by even if the other guy is blocking because his focus will be on the block and not raceing at his best and some times the game glitches and let the other one by and the blocker loses speed or the other way around. Just because you take the inter line wont be enough to will automatically, and yes I do agree the blocking system has drastically changed in V3.

Well that's the thing, this all depends on how good the drivers are. There are very few drivers who are good enough that they will NOT lose once they get the lead.

ok.. but that's just you. obviously your beating noobs 'cause 5 seconds with a celica on irohazaka with a evoIV? come on... average players know how to take an out-in-out line and block. i honestly don't see how they win, probably because they don't break down and turn... thus noobs... so...?

No, I'm talking about when I play against people who are actually good (run similar times as me). They still can't block me 100% of the time, although it wins them a good percentage of games.

Anyways, I'm going to start using my GDB more often, maybe I can use blocking to my advantage for a change.

then it should be a matter of start-up either that or they need to play more and be more consistent... in version 2 most had dc2 and you could glitch people by ramming into their car at high speeds so that compensated for their slow start up.. not to mention it could beat the fd's start up as well with its first two gears. version 3 forces one person back, and that person who is forced back is the person who is at a small disadvantage of meters. so blocking + start-up is most likely the important factor in battle. of course basic skill is needed, but no skills that are needed to run good times with that car, like the gdb.

In my experience with the Version 2 DC2 (which isn't much, just 2.5 million points and a battle level of 23) its first two gears are weak, and it's ranked pretty low on the start-up list. It's the 3rd and 4th gear where the Integra will pull on just about any car in the game.

I don't think any battle ever should be or ever is a matter of start-up. You do. Woohoo, we've been beating a dead horse for the last ten posts with no conclusive evidence to verify either side. :/

uh, no. first two gears could beat an fd's first two gears so on akagi, that's really the only good way to win.

well about disagreeing, it's more like i'm trying to convince you that BASIC driving skill in id + good start-up car in battle, own. a basic driver could easily own an experienced player by taking the inside line. why do you think experienced players leave boost on?

An FD with perfect shifting will outlaunch an Integra with perfect shifting on Akagi in the first two gears. I am very sure of it.

I know boost is left on to help out the person getting blocked. I am agreeing with you that the person in front has an advantage. But it's not nearly as big of an advantage as you make it out to be. We are REALLY beating a dead horse here.

no, you're not... better research that some more. cutting the person off is needed of course but the fd's first two gears are relatively slower than the dc2. you CAN cut an fd off if timed right in the begining of a battle.

you're not seeing how big of advantage it is though... i know things can go wrong in battle... but even with mistakes the person with the advantage still has a better chance than the person in back. its not as pointless as it seems though, arguments are good... then people don't have to choose one way to believe. i think many will benefit from it.

Excuse me, I've been trying to be nice, but I'm going to come out and say it. You've been avoiding my 'what are your times' questions for a while, so I'm going to draw the conclusion that you're the kind of person who reads and reads and reads but can't really do anything on his own. You are really overestimating the ability to block in Version 3. And you are greatly overestimating the skill of the average player. You need stop assuming things and setting up all these ideal situations. Realistically, in most match-ups, being behind does NOT mean you are probably going to lose. If your car is faster on a course, it's a faster, and you'll pass eventually.

lol, i'm sorry i don't live closer to an arcade that has initial-d so i can go play every week. and over-estimating an average player? yeah right... following out-in-out, i didn't know experts used that especially when feinting can give you exit speeds of 2-4 km/h faster... really, you have a messed up definition of a noob and an average player. I BEAT SOMEONE WITH MY CELICA BY 5 SECONDS!! come on now. and these are not IDEAL situations if you think getting the lead always with a gdb against a five gear car and taking an INNER LINE on turns is ideal, pssh... noob alert. i'm not gonna say that its 50/50 whether you win or lose in inital-d and i'm not gonna agree that the person with a faster start-up gets the same advantage as the person who is trailing.. its just wrong, flat out wrong information. i never said its impossible to win against a six gear car, i'm just saying its a bigger disadvantage than you are making it sound. it doesn't take an expert to use an out-in-out line and block. its not 100% of course, i never said you'd always WIN. i'm saying that if that general rule is followed, where can you pass? i said screw ups are inevtiable but just 'cause a person screws up doesn't mean your gonna pass them even if you ARE going faster... where does skill come into play then? you're going faster and take the turn better but that person just turns the wheel to block you and there you go, the extra speed is pointless. also we were having a civilized conversation, why are you starting to be an ass?

Sorry, I don't have much tolerance for people who are all bark and no bite. If you don't play IDv3 very often, then why are you talking like you're a pro at the game? You're obviously not if you don't play it much.

As for the Celica comment, I was trying to demonstrate that king car does not equal automatic win, because that's how you were coming off. I'm sure a halfway decent Evo 4 would beat a GT-Four on Iro.

Final word before I vacate this long, miserable, redundant thread: you can theorize and postulate all you want, but I've NEVER played against anyone who hasn't left me an opening to pass more than a few times in a race. Yes, I'm sure that there are uber-players in Japan or Hong Kong who never miss a beat, but these are not the 'decent' players you are talking about, these are people who get within a second of the world record.

like i said, i know a few people who i consider to be pro and i consult with them as well as study stuff on the internet so i can apply myself to id to make up for the time that i don't get to play. i hardly consider myself an expert but i do consider myself an expert when it comes to knowledge about id.

no, you missed my point of that example and took the context into battle... later on i redefined it into something different. your assuming what omega thought it was. i wasn't talking about in battle for home course cars ruling, i was talking about underpowered cars... like the celica on irohazaka not being able to EVER amount to the times of an EvoIV no matter HOW MUCH SKILL YOU HAVE. this is different from our battle discussion.

no, what i'm saying is that people make mistakes but if they follow basic rules of id (braking + line (+ downshifting if needed) you can say those are BASIC skills of id, obviously 'cause the other techniques are hard to use and even HARDER to master. i wasn't talking about hk or japanese players not missing a beat either, i was saying if you follow the basic rules its not hard to take an inner line on a turn. point being it doesn't even need to be fast and 'cause its impossible to pass on the OUTER LINE unless your opponent is going DRASTICALLY slower than you. straights are quite easy to block, like i said its basically impossible to pass going a few km/h faster. and hell no, these people who can use basic driving rules are the world records? hello in there!! hk and japan uses different techniques for ta and further extended their battle techniques. these are really simple compared to the shit they do. like hitting each apex on irohazaka just enough so you can make the other person go reverse on EACH turn so its impossible to pass on the inside and if you try to take a more inner line than them, you get reversed.

what i'm saying is you have a misconception of players rankings and what i'm saying.

noob = either goes incredibley fast into turns without braking or downshifting. also there are noobs who go WAY to slow 'cause they don't wanna hit the walls.
basic player = braking + line + downshifting (if needed)
good player = using techniques of the stages but not fully mastered their optimal speeds. like feinting on akagi and akina, grinding the apex on irohazaka, etc.
professional = optimizes techniques and takes an even more extreme line and gets very good times for their car.
god = when you look at their times you say WTF, sorta like the 2'55 on akina... its even hard to imagine someone else going that fast, let alone yourself.

also i really don't appreciate you trying to dumb down these theories.. i don't try to do the same to you. i think your points are valid, but your previous post was just the ass coming out in you 'cause you had nothing else to add to the conversation, which is fine.

I have nothing else to add to the convo because WE'VE BEEN SAYING THE SAME DAMN THINGS FOR THE LAST 20 POSTS.

Your post of the five classes of players are pretty much what I think. However, the techniques you listed for them are techniques used in Time Attack. In battle, it's a different story. You say that even a basic player can block the whole way through the race, and I KNOW that only a very good player can do that because I've had enough battles where I've had to pass, and been able to do it because the other player left me a small opening to nose through.

yeah, so just stop posting then.

of course those techniques you use in time attack are different than battle but that wasn't my point... i'm saying that it doesn't take an expert TO be good in battle. not to mention you're not explaining your battles well, i mean WHERE are you passing then? if its on a straight the person is letting you or is just bad at blocking. if its at the turns, he's not taking a good line. just saying its not as hard to win battles as your making it sound. that's why you should never measure a persons skill by their times. i mean they could have the shittest time you've ever SEEN but still beat you in battle. they could be 5 seconds slower than you and still win.

Yeah, you're right, I'm done posting here. I've said just about everything there is that I can say to defend my point, and continuing any further would be redundant and pointless.