Nice Guys Finish Last

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It’s amazing that assholes can get girls. Actually, now that I think of it, it’s not that amazing. They are assholes at heart, but to meet girls they lavish their undying love. IT’S A CHARADE. They act nice, friendly, and they listen… until they get into what they’re after. Their prey thinks they are in love with them, however when they realize what assholes their predators really are, they pretend like the asshole is really nice inside. The girl tries to change the asshole into a nice guy, but assholes will always be assholes. She gets upset and goes to the nice guy to complain about the asshole. But she claims to love the asshole… now this is where the theory begins. She doesn’t want to look like she is easy so she wont dump the asshole right away, instead she will stay with the asshole. Girls are idiots. They don’t realize that the nice guy has been there all along. He never had to pretend to be a good guy to get girls because he is naturally like that. However, girls don’t see it for some reason or another. They look at the nice guy as a friend, a trusted companion to whom they can tell their sad story to about their asshole boyfriend.

But the nice guy isn’t THAT naïve. He was trying to score with the girl he listens to all along. The problem is that since he is a nice guy he keeps listening. Since girls get attached to things that pay attention to them, they think of the nice guy as a friend. A FRIEND. They don’t say, “Oh he’s hot” or “I want to have his children” about the nice guy, they just want the emotional support. When they get the emotional support from the nice guy, they don’t need it from the asshole. The nice guy gets the shit end of the stick while the asshole gets all the action. I am starting to wonder if being a nice guy is really the route to take to get action… I have been down this path for all of my post-pubescent life and it has gotten me NOWHERE… at least not in the women department.
Perhaps another reason why girls fall for the asshole is because assholes ignore the girl they are with. The women wonder, “Why isn’t he paying attention to me?” so they explore why. They poke and prod and get closer to the asshole. They start to get easier with each attempt to get closer. The asshole finally says, “I’ve let this beauty dangle long enough, time to boat this bass”. It is then he puts on his charade and the girl feels like she has won him… even thought all she has won is an asshole.
Once you have gone down the path as a nice guy or a “listener” you can’t turn back. The girl will always go after the assholes because there are always nice guys there to listen. Once you realize that you are a “listener” you cant do anything about it… just pack up and close shop. There is no way you will get into her pants… ever. There is and never will be a situation where the nice guy will get the girl he has a crush on. It just doesn’t work like that. The girl wont “come to her senses” and realize what an asshole her boyfriend is like in the movies… instead she will just go after another asshole, and unless you stop being a nice guy, she will never go after you. Women complain that there are no nice guys in the world. Right. They are obviously not looking hard enough because there are nice guys EVERYWHERE!!!! Girls aren’t looking for nice guys… they say they are but they’re not. They are looking for the perfect asshole, but there is NO SUCH THING as the perfect asshole.

All in all, the nice guy gets the shaft. To all the girls out there with boyfriends that don’t treat you with respect, that don’t listen to you, and that don’t care about you I say this; look next to you. The guy that has been standing next to you the whole time is the guy you have been looking for. He is what you want your asshole to be like. He knows more about you than you know about yourself… because he has listened to it all.

does this apply to anyone else here?

Yup I get the same too. All the hot girls go for the jocks. The girls only ask me for advice. I never get respect. The only thing they have done nice is walking with me to class rarely or I give them a ride. They dont even say thanks which is sad.

welcome to the club, brother. i see it all the time. the hot girls go to the jocks, and and the other jerk wads. and even though you dont even have a class with a 'hot girl' they still think you're a loser because you are not a jock, and yet they dont even know you. yea, i may be speaking from experiance, but, oh well.

Myself inculded I know lots of nice guys with very attractive girlfiends.

Some girls like assholes, those are not the girls you shuold be trying to get involved with.
There are however many many more girls who do like the nice guy, you just have to work a little harder to find them as they tend to be a little shy and quiter in a group.


And don't confuse the nice guy, with the low self esteem guy. Often the low self esteem guy will also be a nice guy, but his low self esteem will mean he never gets any girls, and it has nothing to do with him being a nice guy, girls simply, as a general rule, don't like guys with low self esteem.

But, I can garuntee the moment the low self esteem guy gets some confidence he will get the girls, especialy if hes a nice guy as well.

dont worry mate,
These creatures we know as girls do not follow the laws of SENSE or REASON,
they just wander around aimlessly.
And the girls that are hot, and know it are bicthes.
I'm 15, have a g/f but know this....

This has been discussed SOOOOOOOOOO many times. Girls like a challenge. Assholes are a challenge. The end.

Thanks for clearing that up. People just dont understand. I'm not an ass to girls, i court girls very well.
But every chance that comes along i'm busting on them, teasing, using cocky humor, ect. But its all in fun....they never get upset. Girls actually like it. But as soon as a door needs to be open i open it, i seat women, open the car door, close it, walk on outside of curb, ect.

Women have a emotional response to guys that are hard to get. I love playing hard to get, its so much more interesting to the women. If your hard to reach, challenging, and generally letting the women persue you, then your always on the right course. Its not tough, its just that your putting yourself into the "friend" situation by not starting the "sexual" type situations early on. Hope that helped anybody.

P.S.- Also if you have extremely confident body language, then girls L-O-V-E that, and it draws attention to you instantly and keeps it there.

Thanks for clearing that up. People just dont understand. I'm not an ass to girls, i court girls very well.
But every chance that comes along i'm busting on them, teasing, using cocky humor, ect. But its all in fun....they never get upset. Girls actually like it. But as soon as a door needs to be open i open it, i seat women, open the car door, close it, walk on outside of curb, ect.

Women have a emotional response to guys that are hard to get. I love playing hard to get, its so much more interesting to the women. If your hard to reach, challenging, and generally letting the women persue you, then your always on the right course. Its not tough, its just that your putting yourself into the "friend" situation by not starting the "sexual" type situations early on. Hope that helped anybody.

P.S.- Also if you have extremely confident body language, then girls L-O-V-E that, and it draws attention to you instantly and keeps it there.

FINALLY! Someone who gets it.

This was suppose to be posted in OT. I stuffed it up somewhere.

This has been discussed SOOOOOOOOOO many times. Girls like a challenge. Assholes are a challenge. The end.

Oh really? Is that why you like guys from California? :smooch:

Exactly.

Fuck, I've been doing it wrong. J/k lol. What does it mean when the guy is looking for a challenge on a girl who's generally nice and smart? And she remains a challenge?

That she thinks you're lame.

You have become a sucker to "friendship"...its that whole "friend" barrier that everyone is always talking about..once a female see's you as a friend..you will never be anything more than a friend.

Its so true..Nice guys always finish last, and it sucks. Just goes to show you that being an asshole does take you places in life. :grinno:

I have broken this "friend barrier" on many occasions..but I try to do it with girls that I dont mind being just friends with... cause..you know..once your girl A's friend..she tells all her friends that your a nice guy....and girl A has very hot friends. :iceslolan

I think girls, nice or otherwise, get turned on by guys who are rebels, bad boys, etc. I know I would if I met a girl like that!

no its not that, its really all about image. Girls are most attracted to the confident guy who doesnt instantly try to jump down her pants or be her best buddy at the same time. If you try to hard to be her friend then thats all she will want from you, if you try to hard to get in her pants, then she wont let you. Also making girls laugh is one of the easiest and best things to do, girls love guys who make them laugh. Just how they are. Also the asshole guys you see treating their Gf's like crap all the time, arent the same way when they are 1on1 with their GF. Atleast im not with mine, sometimes i can be kinda rude to her when were out or whatever, but once we get 1on1 its a totally different story. When your with a girl and theirs other people around you want to be more of a buddy to her, treat her nice, be polite, make her laugh, just dont try to hard or you will embaress her. Then when your alone you change it up to being really sweet, confident, and hit on her a little, not overly though.

ALSO NEVER THINK ABOUT SEX WHEN YOUR AROUND A GIRL YOU WANT! i know it doesnt make any sense, but if you try really hard not to think about sex you wont look like such a moron. I think sex dumbs down the male species for some reason, honestly it does.

Also the asshole guys you see treating their Gf's like crap all the time, arent the same way when they are 1on1 with their GF.
Yeah, they are.

ALSO NEVER THINK ABOUT SEX WHEN YOUR AROUND A GIRL YOU WANT! i know it doesnt make any sense, but if you try really hard not to think about sex you wont look like such a moron. I think sex dumbs down the male species for some reason, honestly it does.


you are very right, however, as a sixteen year old guy not thinking about sex when im anywhere near a girl means, hunching over with my eyesclosed and hands over my ears, rocking back and foreth screaming as loud as i can. i just try to hide it, so far, more easily said than done. Haha the other day i was hanging out with a friend of mine and inadvertantly thinking about sex, she like takes one look at me and she says "Tristan youre thinking about haviung sex with me right now arnt you" i swear to god i was not even checking her out.
impressive.very impressive.

you are very right, however, as a sixteen year old guy not thinking about sex when im anywhere near a girl means, hunching over with my eyesclosed and hands over my ears, rocking back and foreth screaming as loud as i can. i just try to hide it, so far, more easily said than done. Haha the other day i was hanging out with a friend of mine and inadvertantly thinking about sex, she like takes one look at me and she says "Tristan youre thinking about haviung sex with me right now arnt you" i swear to god i was not even checking her out.
impressive.very impressive.

You shoulda said, "No.. I stopped thinking about that 30 seconds ago besides, now I'm fantacizing about the girl 2 seats in front of you" :lol2: :naughty:

After I was done with high school and talked to some of the girls that I liked and thought was hot. When I talked to them they said if I talked to them more and was more open then they would have given me the time of day. So I agree with the whole low self esteem issue, I'm a victom of it. There has been a few girls the I liked and got to close and became the friend, which sucks the most cuz you can't do anything about it. All though get a girl drunk enough then anything is possable. :D Nah J/K. Well life is a bitch, time to move on.

You shoulda said, "No.. I stopped thinking about that 30 seconds ago besides, now I'm fantacizing about the girl 2 seats in front of you" :lol2: :naughty:
The pimpness is strong is this one....can tell I. :smokin:

FINALLY! Someone who gets it.
How do you know.... :eek7:
Have you been stalking me?! :eek:

Not only rebels get the chicks but so do the gay guys!!! :banghead:

Not only rebels get the chicks but so do the gay guys!!! :banghead:

Thats is like one of the funiest things I ever herd. But the gay guys get them cuz they are one of the girls. I had a girl once for being me the nice guy and what not, but she broke up with me threw an e-mail cuz she found someone else. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

But I hope she is happy with whom ever she is with :screwy: :loser:

Just think....if the girl goes for the asshole then she's not what you want anyway. Eventually the girls experiece the excitement of being with bad boys and they eventually want a "nice guy" to settle down with.

All though when I was in the Military I was dating one of my co-workers identical twin sister. I was being myself, they nice gguy and what not. Things were going good but I was in VA with the Military and she was in FL. The distance was the only thing that killed it. She wanted the campaionship and couldn't get it from me cuz of the distance and it drove us apart. So the nice guy doesn't have to finish last, granted we have to try harder but there are girls out there(yes that are cute/hot) that likes the nice guy.

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It’s amazing that assholes can get girls. Actually, now that I think of it, it’s not that amazing. They are assholes at heart, but to meet girls they lavish their undying love. IT’S A CHARADE. They act nice, friendly, and they listen… until they get into what they’re after. Their prey thinks they are in love with them, however when they realize what assholes their predators really are, they pretend like the asshole is really nice inside. The girl tries to change the asshole into a nice guy, but assholes will always be assholes. She gets upset and goes to the nice guy to complain about the asshole. But she claims to love the asshole… now this is where the theory begins. She doesn’t want to look like she is easy so she wont dump the asshole right away, instead she will stay with the asshole. Girls are idiots. They don’t realize that the nice guy has been there all along. He never had to pretend to be a good guy to get girls because he is naturally like that. However, girls don’t see it for some reason or another. They look at the nice guy as a friend, a trusted companion to whom they can tell their sad story to about their asshole boyfriend.

But the nice guy isn’t THAT naïve. He was trying to score with the girl he listens to all along. The problem is that since he is a nice guy he keeps listening. Since girls get attached to things that pay attention to them, they think of the nice guy as a friend. A FRIEND. They don’t say, “Oh he’s hot” or “I want to have his children” about the nice guy, they just want the emotional support. When they get the emotional support from the nice guy, they don’t need it from the asshole. The nice guy gets the shit end of the stick while the asshole gets all the action. I am starting to wonder if being a nice guy is really the route to take to get action… I have been down this path for all of my post-pubescent life and it has gotten me NOWHERE… at least not in the women department.
Perhaps another reason why girls fall for the asshole is because assholes ignore the girl they are with. The women wonder, “Why isn’t he paying attention to me?” so they explore why. They poke and prod and get closer to the asshole. They start to get easier with each attempt to get closer. The asshole finally says, “I’ve let this beauty dangle long enough, time to boat this bass”. It is then he puts on his charade and the girl feels like she has won him… even thought all she has won is an asshole.
Once you have gone down the path as a nice guy or a “listener” you can’t turn back. The girl will always go after the assholes because there are always nice guys there to listen. Once you realize that you are a “listener” you cant do anything about it… just pack up and close shop. There is no way you will get into her pants… ever. There is and never will be a situation where the nice guy will get the girl he has a crush on. It just doesn’t work like that. The girl wont “come to her senses” and realize what an asshole her boyfriend is like in the movies… instead she will just go after another asshole, and unless you stop being a nice guy, she will never go after you. Women complain that there are no nice guys in the world. Right. They are obviously not looking hard enough because there are nice guys EVERYWHERE!!!! Girls aren’t looking for nice guys… they say they are but they’re not. They are looking for the perfect asshole, but there is NO SUCH THING as the perfect asshole.

All in all, the nice guy gets the shaft. To all the girls out there with boyfriends that don’t treat you with respect, that don’t listen to you, and that don’t care about you I say this; look next to you. The guy that has been standing next to you the whole time is the guy you have been looking for. He is what you want your asshole to be like. He knows more about you than you know about yourself… because he has listened to it all.

does this apply to anyone else here?
Yes, it's true. I saw a comment in my local paper called "Let it out." It's a chance for everyone who has something stupid to say. The comment was as follows" Just because you are Mr nice does not make you Mr right." Don't change who you are, rather how you think. I've seen over the years, it does not pay to be a pushover. Be yourself, take no shit, take no prisoners, that is all.

The pimpness is strong is this one....can tell I. :smokin:

At one point I totally lost my quietness and my sense of humor became exposive. Oh, I shall feel sorry for the world now. :screwy:

Nice guys finish last? Well depends...

A (Real) woman will NEVER respect the person that licks her boots like a schmuck! There is HUGE difference between a NICE guy and one who is a push-over. Women need (Nay, deep down they WANT) to hear the word "NO" from time to time. Think about it. If you open your wallet every time she says "pretty please (eyelashes batting)" then you are a push-over/schmuck/boot-licker. Period.

It is also true what Stang said earlier that women LOVE the chase! They take delight in playing the game. Unfortunately, most men don't play this game very well. They either play WAY too fast or WAY too slow (the former making them seem too desperate and the latter pushing them into the "Friend" category).

"Let's Just Be Friends"... this means, I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN DEVELOPING A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU, BUT I KNOW HOW FRAGILE YOUR EGO IS, AND I DON'T NEED THE GUILT THAT WOULD COME WITH TELLING THIS TO YOUR FACE, SO I'LL JUST STRING YOU ALONG AS LONG AS YOUR WALLET IS OPEN!!! If you ever hear the words "Let's Just Be Friends" I would suggest one of two things;

1. Run. Run as fast as you can and don't ever look back
2. Insist that SHE PAYS FOR DINNER!!! That'll shut her up about the whole FRIEND thing... heck, she might even RESPECT you for not buying into her BULL$177!! Whatever you do though, DO NOT ever attempt to engage in a romantic relationship with this woman EVER again (unless having your heart ripped from your chest is your thing)!

For all you guys out there, I STRONGLY recommend checking the following site;

http://www.doclove.com/

If that doesn't help you with the ladies, you might just consider turning gay instead! :rofl:

Just my .02

LEGO

At one point I totally lost my quietness and my sense of humor became exposive. Oh, I shall feel sorry for the world now. :screwy:
Uh..... no smart one, i was SAYING that alot of women probably respect you for your ballsy comments and that you most likely get a lot of......well you know. And that in my book, is considered a pimp.

Jeez.

Also, another "PIMP" we have on here is "LEGO MY E". What he said is the truth, and nothing but the truth.

i have nothing to say because all has been said, ITS LIKE I WAS SAYING IT.

Uh..... no smart one, i was SAYING that alot of women probably respect you for your ballsy comments and that you most likely get a lot of......well you know. And that in my book, is considered a pimp.

Jeez.

Also, another "PIMP" we have on here is "LEGO MY E". What he said is the truth, and nothing but the truth.

:evillol:

For all you guys out there, I STRONGLY recommend checking the following site;

http://www.doclove.com/

If that doesn't help you with the ladies, you might just consider turning gay instead! :rofl:

Just my .02

LEGO:1: :1: :1: :1: :1:

Took the words right outta my mouth...

"You can't handle the truth!"

Sorry, felt like the right thing to say, :D

:newburn: if you tell a girl this she gets mad and blames you for questioning her life, but dont realize what there are doing! it just gets me mad. :newburn:

I think we all can aree on that girls are a complicated creature, they we will never understand them. So if your lucky enough to get one run with it and enjoy it cuz you don't know if and when it will end. :swear:

:bananadie

Another thing that helps out is to not go looking for girls in the same area.It'll get stale and you'll run out of resources. My rep was that I was a nice guy, and I fell into the friend category all too often. I'm from the Bostion Area and my girlfriend is from the Worcester Area which isn't too far, but it's far enough where it gave me a clean slate with no "nice guy" reputation.

I think we all can aree on that girls are a complicated creature, they we will never understand them. So if your lucky enough to get one run with it and enjoy it cuz you don't know if and when it will end. Disagree.

"You can't trust a woman, but you can trust a woman to act like a woman."

;)

and i thought i was the only one this crap happens too. i tried to turn a girl i liked away from an asshole that beat her up on a daily basis, i got her away from him for a month, she went back to him and they got married. so i hope she gets what she deserves for being stupid.