How to beat a 1.8T????Help

Well, I have a 88 CRX and i want to know what engine mods I would have to do to beat a Audi 1.8T engine swapped into a 94 golf. My friend just got the engine swapped in and he has been talking shit about Hondas for a long time now since he bought that 'piece' volkswagon. I have a SI crx if u wanted to know, with new headers, intake, and exhaust, and obviously it isn't going to win now, so is there a way to make an SI fast enough to beat a turbo charged 200 horse VW, or do I have to swap the engine to maybe a GSR, turbo that, then have a chance....lol...just wondering....and in case u want to know why I am asking...we have a 500 dollar bet going that by next summer he will still be able to smoke me in a race..haha

arent the Golf 1.8t's 150 odd brake and 180 odd in the higher model, i know the audi's are and they use the same engines!!!! as for your car, swap in a B16 and maybe strip it and i would think you might have a chance, 94 golfs arent that light , i raced a 2.0 GTi and pissed on it ! from 0-80

ya, they are somewhere around 180 stock...for the model that he bought anyways....but they also added a new intercooler and greddy blow off valve, which really shouldn't make too much of a dif, but the guys at the shop told him it was 200 at the wheels right now....=|

200 at the wheels your joking??? he wouldnt get that from a IC and a BOV i dont think mate, just chuck a B16 in yours with IHE and strip it , i would think you would stand a pretty good chance , and B16's rule anyway lol

thats what i thought, and i told him over and over that it doesn't make that much of a difference unless he actually does a turbo upgrade..but u know, alot of those VW owners think that their car is the best, and even thought the 1.8T is a good motor, the cars are all too heavy and ugly to look good winning a race anyways...maybe thats why no one spends half as much money as they do on hondas on a VW....grrr....lol...now i am angry and i gotta save up some cash, everyone has the b16 engine in a crx anyways..i would probably want a gsr..that would be awesome..=D

go for a B18C (type R) and then piss on him if you haev the cash or just go B16 Turbo, the possibilities are endless mate, do a search and find out, or look in the classifieds for parts, engines, you though of nitrous ?

Just turbo charge the ole D16. You can piece a nice turbo setup together for under a grand.

If im not mistaken, the 1.8T engine has the capability to run high 13s in the stock GTi...

You need a 1.8T in your Civic to even things up a little. :) But then it wouldn't even be fair for the Veedub guy.

turbo your d motor. you dont need as much hp as him because your car is lighter, but a properly built d motor can make around 220hp. even more with reinforced internals.

If im not mistaken, the 1.8T engine has the capability to run high 13s in the stock GTi...

you sure??? that seems VERY quick for that considering they are tanks, and 180 BHP stock isnt really that much

U need alot more than turbo'ing your d-series. Gsr turbo gets my vote. You'll definitely hit really low 13s on a stock motor.

If im not mistaken, the 1.8T engine has the capability to run high 13s in the stock GTi...


No i dont think so. Last time i checked they run high 14s to low 15s. It doesn't take much to get them into 13s though.

Heres an article i found from Car N Driver...

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=2022&page_number=1


Read the last paragraph :)

..you cant beat us ;)



haha..well, you could beat me..I'm sure.. but.. haha..

The 1.8t is one hell of a motor. They come stock with around 160hp, but the GIAC chip can bump it up 30hp. No joke. Its gonna take a lot to beat him man. And by the time you are fast enough to beat him now, he'll probably be faster once again. Boost a b18b...that will run him good.

The 1.8t is one hell of a motor. They come stock with around 160hp, but the GIAC chip can bump it up 30hp. No joke. Its gonna take a lot to beat him man. And by the time you are fast enough to beat him now, he'll probably be faster once again. Boost a b18b...that will run him good.

Its not gonna take much to beat him. I knew of this dude that has a golf 1.8t runnin mid 13s. This is what he has done to it. FMIC, BOV, down pipe, exhaust and chipped computer. Doesn't sound like much right? But still hes running mid 13s which pretty good for that less of a mod. But with a gsr ( stock) along with a nice turbo set up ( Drag or Rev Hard ) will get you into the low 13s for sure. Car is much lighter. Later on you can build it up for more boost or less boost with more power. If you wanna get cheap then get a b16 swap and ditch the 1.6 block with a gsr block. I mean its not really neccessary to get a bigger displacement when it comes to Induction but hey if you want that extra torque ...then go for it! :)

Curb weight 2908 lb

How is this car a tank? or a boat? Or whatever the heck you guys were calling it?

Curb weight 2908 lb

How is this car a tank? or a boat? Or whatever the heck you guys were calling it?


Compared to a 4th gen civic it is ;)

Curb weight 2908 lb

How is this car a tank? or a boat? Or whatever the heck you guys were calling it?

Uhhh ya.. Its about 30% more heavy that most of our Civics here. SO, its a boat.

thats an odd turm if you think about it. Most all boats are either aluminum or fiberglass, float on water, and are generaly pretty light. anyone know a completely fiberglass or aluminum civic that floats on water?

anyone know a completely fiberglass or aluminum civic that floats on water?

Well there is a completely fiberglass civic but i dont think they float on water though ;)

maybe ship would be a better word....

thats an odd turm if you think about it. Most all boats are either aluminum or fiberglass, float on water, and are generaly pretty light. anyone know a completely fiberglass or aluminum civic that floats on water?

If it were completley sealed on the bottom and half way up it could quite easily float. They don't float because they're super light, otherwise yachts would be at the bottom of the sea in no time.

true.... anyone see them Monsters Garage where they made the beetle fan boat?

Yeh i seen that. Didn't the project fail?

they said it was a sucess but it barely made it out of the water.

I agree with the idea to go with a b16 swap. I saw a pretty cheap turbo kit for 4th gens with b16 swaps in Summit Sport Compact I think. They also had some higher comp. pistons specially designed for turbo'd B16s. If you have the cash, lil nitrous will never hurt. You can try and do all the specific things to try and squeeze every last hp in there. Port and polish, flywheel lightening, hardening motor mounts to maximize torque...

I was curious if anyone has tried the Nology spark wires with the inline capacitor? I read on a page that in theory it technically wouldn't give u any bigger bang... especially for how costly as set is... I am kind of sure that getting Nology's Silvercore spark plugs will do some good. I dont know why so many people are running iridium and platinum. Silver is the most conductive metal in the elemental table. Some guy from honda said that the little bit of difference between running any other type of metal plug than copper will only cause you to change your plugs less often.

Anyway... back to the subject at hand... You could try indexing your plugs, port and polishing the intake manifold as well, extrude honing ur head... Umm... lightweight rockers? titanium... I'm not sure what I'm talkin about now... I'm just rambling... Hope some of this gave you an idea...:screwy:

^^^ B16 would need lower compression pistons to turbo well. However I do agree with the rambling and not being sure what your talking about part. Go watch fast and furious again.

The 1.8t is one hell of a motor. They come stock with around 160hp, but the GIAC chip can bump it up 30hp. No joke. Its gonna take a lot to beat him man. And by the time you are fast enough to beat him now, he'll probably be faster once again. Boost a b18b...that will run him good.

Stock there's a 150hp version in the golf, and a 180hp version in the GTI... then the Audi verions are 225-230hp.... but they're all basically the same engine, just different ECU's... so chipping the ECU's on the lower end version can get them up to the full 230hp... aint that some shit? extra horse power with almost no work.
I'd go for the GSR turbo too. Just to be safe...

^^^ B16 would need lower compression pistons to turbo well.

Thats not always true. High compression turbo is much better than lower compression turbo. More power and less lag. The only thing is that you have to find a good tuner to make this set up safe.

i say swap in a b18c with a 5 speed, and mod that, but keep it all motor...IMO

and u can get that beautiful type R viscous LSD....

i say swap in a b18c with a 5 speed, and mod that, but keep it all motor...IMO

I'm all about all motor here but in its gonna take a bit more work and time.

I'm all about all motor here but in its gonna take a bit more work and time.


but so much more satisfying when u have quick all motor car...the crx is so light doesnt need much power at all.. plus u wont get hardly any torque steer

Yeah, b18c, thats soooo tempting for me, but gotta sort out other stuff first. Do it man.

^^^ B16 would need lower compression pistons to turbo well. However I do agree with the rambling and not being sure what your talking about part. Go watch fast and furious again.

I live my life a quarter mile at a time. Nothing else matters, not the morgage, not the store, not the team and all their bullshit, and for those 10 seconds or less, i'm free

damn quote will always be stuck in my head....i wish i could gouge it out somehow.....

I've worked for a vdub dealer and seen a few 1.8's around... they have one big disadvantage over a civic... big price tag :p
sure they've got a lot of balls but if your buddy blows it up then he's out a lot more money than you, even just a few parts for a vw/audi are stupid expensive from the factory... I bought the main powertrain and suspension subframes etc from a 1990 mazda 13b rotary for $1400 after shipping, and if I can get that to fit in my civic it will crush anything street legal without turbo, even some smaller turbos possibly... a 13b turbo would destroy a 1.8vw no matter what their setup muahahaha

you braught up a month old post for that?

Damn Newbs...

i have a brand new golf 2.0L, its speedy, and its deffinitally faster than my old b16 crx.

:rofl: Did you put a turbo or supercharger on that 2.0? Cuz unless you did...I'm not seeing how a 2.0 golf is faster than a b16 rex.

Nope, its stock man. Its just a 2.0L 5 speed, with no additional options on the car. 2004

No chance in hell...my friend had a '94 2.0 that I beat...another friend of mine had a '97 2.0 GTI and I beat him, and my friends cousin has a '03 2.0 and that thing is slow as balls also.

HAHAHA for real. 2.0's are also known as the "2.slow" they are soooo slow. Unless you supercharge or turbo it. Those ABA blocks can hold mad amounts of boost.

my friend's rabbit is hardcore. he wanted to blow his old engine so we tried it before swapping it.....so we took a 2x4 and wedged it onto the gas pedal and had it redlining for about 20 or so mins until all of these sparks and smoke started shooting out of the exhaust. then, the car finally died and i had to be home. the next day my friend just outta curiousity tried to start up the car and it ran perfectly fine as if nothing ever happened to it. it was wack.

heh, I revved a ford escort too hard one time and broke a set of rings inside the cylinder, they got wedged between the piston and the wall and then droped down into the oilpan. After I got it bored over and oversized pistons, combined with the larger valves from when it droped a valve seat and had to have it machined to accept larger valves. I had one badass little escort.. then the tranny blew. That car was a cash eater.

this is not 1phat cx posting but his brother

the older aeb engines that came in the 97-99 passat and a4's are 150 horse they are pretty ewll equivlanet to the 180hp version that the golfs and jettas saw aside from fuel management and turbo charger size, the audi tt is the only car to ever receive the 225 hp engine...it is a completely different motor, stronger internals, different manifolds, and again a larger turbo, larger injectors, bigger ports in the head etc
there are a ton of companies than make chips for the 1.8t and pretty well no matter hat version you have you can buy a chip that garauntees you 40 whp
a friend of mine swapped an aeb motor (150 hp) into his 92 jetta, he did a custom FMIC, as well as a 3" turbo back exhaust, on the dyno he made 172 hp to the wheels, keep in mind, this is with a stock chip on a motor that originally made 150 crank hp, so your friend is right, the fmic will make a ton more power, and I can totally see that if he got a 180hp engine, with a fmic and a big exhaust, 200whp is not far fetched...he chips that and hes putting 230-240 to the wheels...with 260-280 ft lbs of tourque, depending on his motor mounts/gearbox, diff etc
when you can build a streetable honda engine, that will produce that amount of tourque, you will beat your friend...untill then...ride shotgun with him while he does fourth gear burnouts on the highway
:screwy:

cool, the S3 got the 225 BHP engine too ;)

if he got a 180hp engine, with a fmic and a big exhaust, 200whp is not far fetched...he chips that and hes putting 230-240 to the wheels...with 260-280 ft lbs of tourque,


so your saying that from a FMIC and a 3" exhaust he can go from 180 HP at the crank to 200 to the wheels :sly:

cool, the S3 got the 225 BHP engine too ;)
ah yes...
oh how I wish we got these cars here too
I have a 225 hp sitting in my garage...was going into a rab pickup...but found a mint four door rabit shell....sleeper heaven here I come

so your saying that from a FMIC and a 3" exhaust he can go from 180 HP at the crank to 200 to the wheels :sly:
yup or close to
been done and seen it done
if you have seen the wimpy intercooler, and plumbing that the motor came with stock...you would see why

yeha i have my girlfriend has the audi version of it, however if u fit a too big FMIC on an engine and do not compensate for it in the mapping it can mess things up , my friends RX7 has done that, it ran 239 HP stock and he had 6k's worth of mods and it ran less than stock, now he has had it mapped this is his Dyno !!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/RXHeaven/bhp.jpg

to the wheels

yeha i have my girlfriend has the audi version of it, however if u fit a too big FMIC on an engine and do not compensate for it in the mapping it can mess things up , my friends RX7 has done that, it ran 239 HP stock and he had 6k's worth of mods and it ran less than stock, now he has had it mapped this is his Dyno !!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/RXHeaven/bhp.jpg

to the wheels

ok got my user name signed on now
yes of course if you run too big of a cooler, then you increase the pressure drop from one side of the cooler to the other, also if you use one of crappy design quality, that is there for "looks" rather than power you will have the same ill effects. your friends rx7 makes some very impressive numbers, what year and what engine? I absolutely love rx7's and after my 1.8t fiasco that im working on now is finished, I am thinking about buying one, tired of making old econo boxes into sports cars, and just want a sports car...although I dont know if I can give up the german design that I am so used to

ok heres a link to his car.....

since then he has done LOADS too it, chekc on the right hand side of the page for pics

http://www.all-torque.org.uk/phpBB2/car.php?mode=viewprofile&u=15

http://www.all-torque.org.uk/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=239p

looks whos car is in the back ground ;) thats me in the black t-shirt :D

pure sex...loving the cossy's and gti's in the background too
oh how I wished I lived on the other side of the pond...I would have so much fun over there...only there arent any 5.0 mustangs with mullet headed drivers to whoop on over there...only porsche driving yuppys :D

hahahaha people in porsches are always in the big cities, we just get wankers in ford escorts and EP3's thinking they are the daddy, I HATE EP3's

im assuming when u say excorts, you dont mean the ones with the c badge and the big turbo stuffed under the hood?...getaway in stockholm...I can stil hear that beast...owned the supra for the whole video untill the 300+km/h highway run at the end...big turbos in anything are good...but they are best in little cars

btw whats under the hood on your civic?

nah im on about escorts with a 1.6 CVH engine and other sheds like that, a lot of people here have nice cars, others have heaps of shite lol

heres a link to my car, its a B16A1 VT (EDM SiR basically)

http://www.all-torque.org.uk/phpBB2/album_personal.php?user_id=28

ignore the smashed up one, *whistles and walks away*

a mate has a escort cosworth but he has had a fiar few problems with it, suspension, turbo so hes selling it (24k USD)