brahma the best?

xxx vs brahma

i know the xxx has barely more spl but does it have the same sq or worse. also where can you buy the xxx? ive never seen prices for it. is it the same as brahma ($440)? i really like the look of the xxx, but if the brahma is cheaper and better sq, then brahma it is.

They're pretty much the same, flip a coin and go with it. I chose the brahma because of the customer service mainly.

You can order the xxx straight from RE, there should be a phone number on their site, and I'm pretty sure it's very very similar in price to the brahma. $399 + shipping for the 15 if I remember correctly, while the $440 brahma price includes shipping, so like I said just flip a coin.

I got about 300 for my XXX, but mine is used... It is a beautiful sub... One thing I love about RE's customer service is even with having bought from someone else who is not an authorized dealer, RE still will help me, and will send me stuff for free... I needed to replace some set screws and little meanial things on my old HC before I got rid of it... One of the guys on SI.net got his sub reconed for free and had it done in a smaller cone since he wanted a 15 instead of a 18. Of course you have to pay to get stuff reconed etc unless it is on factory warranty or if you want it to have a smaller cone, but there was a special problem that occured during the time... I love RE's service and plan to stay RE for subs for as long as possible. I would only go Elemental Designs if I had to switch... and I would be waiting for their new lines to be revealed... I am thinking there might be a pimp 8" coming out.

so they both have great customer serivice then?

Haibane-
yours is a 15 right? what amp you runnin?

I have a 15", I will be running a nine.1, but right now I am running it off my sub out on my reciever... works pretty well. I like RE's customer service, others don't. It is my opinion on their service.

is the nine.1 out yet? and doesnt it only have 1200 watts. would it be able to push an xxx to its limits?

You ask what I am using I answered. No one can really answere the question on the limits yet cause no one has heard it or tested it. Although, Euphorism thinks that it will run about 1500watts at 14.4v. I might even run it at 4 ohm, since like 600 or so I forgot what it is, should be plenty for my sub.

yea, most products lie and rate power higher then it really is. knowing ed i think they actually under-rate their products.

i was just wondering cuz i heard that to push an xxx to its limits, you need close to 1600 watts, as for the brahma, depending on the box, you only need like a 1000 watts. i could be wrong though, thats why i ask

I think I will be fine with my XXX15 at around 1200 if that is what I have it at

yea, most products lie and rate power higher then it really is. knowing ed i think they actually under-rate their products.

i was just wondering cuz i heard that to push an xxx to its limits, you need close to 1600 watts, as for the brahma, depending on the box, you only need like a 1000 watts. i could be wrong though, thats why i ask


nope you're pretty much dead on, there's a power chart on www.adireaudio.com that lists the amount of power that it will take to reach full excursion in different box sizes for the brahma and for the most part it's around 1000 or less, unless you get into the very small boxes.

so if i get a hifonics brutus bx1500d, would i be using the whole amp just to push an xxx to its limits? the point is i want a little head room on my amp and i know i will have some with a brahma.

from what I've heard, yes you're going to be using a whole lot of that power to move a xxx well. It's rated at a higher efficiency than the brahma, but they're rated differently and the brahma is actually quite a bit more efficient than the xxx from what I've heard from people who have owned both.

Also, I was looking in your sig, and stay away from fatmat. Hopefully you don't have it yet, but it's really an inferior product. If it's not too late, you might want to switch your plans to secondskin, rammat, b-quiet, brownbread, or any of the other alternatives. Fatmat has very slow shipping, it's not heavy so it doesn't deaden all that well, and after a couple months it starts to fall off. It's also tar based so it gums up your knife pretty badly.

yea, that is why im leaning towards a brahma. do you know what the "perfect" size box would be for a brahma. im willing to take up the whole trunk. most times a ported box is better but im not sure for this.

also, i dont have any of those yet. im not that educated about deadening mats. ive heard there mostly all the same. i just picked fatmat because you can get a 100ft roll cheap. you sound like youve used it before? i dont want to spend a lot if you know what i mean.

edead is only a dollar a sqft

"perfect" depends on your application, I'll be building a 2.5cf box for mine, it's what they recommend for sound quality setups. I don't want to go ported, because anechoically it has a flatter response, but once you stick it in a car the low end tends to overpower the upper bass. With a sealed box on the other hand, you tend to get a ~12dB/oct drop in response after the F3, and when you stick it in a car you get a ~12dB/oct cabin gain starting at about the same frequency, and you end up with a flatter in-car response normally.

As for fatmat, yes I have the 100sqft pack in my car, and if my recommending something else says anything, it's that I've learned from my mistakes.

"perfect" depends on your application, I'll be building a 2.5cf box for mine, it's what they recommend for sound quality setups. I don't want to go ported, because anechoically it has a flatter response, but once you stick it in a car the low end tends to overpower the upper bass. With a sealed box on the other hand, you tend to get a ~12dB/oct drop in response after the F3, and when you stick it in a car you get a ~12dB/oct cabin gain starting at about the same frequency, and you end up with a flatter in-car response normally.

As for fatmat, yes I have the 100sqft pack in my car, and if my recommending something else says anything, it's that I've learned from my mistakes.

yea it says for sealed - 1.25 to 2.5cf and for vented - 2.0 to 3.5cf. and from reading all around this forum, you and haibane and some others really know your stuff. i really love your set-up, and when you get the brahma too, its gonna be amazing. how much did that all cost? your cadence is a beast (little expensive for me). i havent heard from linear power too often, do you like it? do you have any pics of your set-up anywhere?

thanks for all the help

Yeah there are some pretty knowledgable people here, and you can find several of us over on other forums as well. For just audio forums, I'm on here, icixsound, caraudioforum, elitecaraudio, and soundillusions. I know Haibane is on icix, I'm not sure but he may be on some others also.

As for my setup, thank's for the comments. Total cost just this summer has been a little over $2300, then you add in the deadening and the wiring that I already had and it's a little over $2500 total. Not too bad I'd say, but I'm very lucky to have the summer job that I have. I love the linear power, it has so much power it's ridiculous, comes with a 6 year warranty, and it has the highest quality construction that I've ever seen in a car amp. No noise, static, thumps, or other problems you tend to see from time to time (I would hope it wouldn't, I didn't pay $400 for another US Acoustics, haha). If you don't mind having a $400 no-name amp that looks like flea market crap to all your friends and has no built in filters or bass boosts, but is one of the highest quality amps you can find out there and also happens to put out a solid 250x2 @ 2-4ohm, then I highly recommend it.

As for pics, here's the thread that I started on it earlier this summer:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=242071&page=1&highlight=setup

I am at Si.net... I redid my entire system this summer too... made it out at about 2000

I'm in the middle of redoing mine. I had a brahma 12 on order but im changing to an xxx 12 and a brutus bx1500d. As for front stage I think I'm going to try out the new re compnent set I've heard great things and use a tsunami amp to power them. Also check out the forums on www.visionaryaudio.com they have a lot of good info on adire and re and people from both companies post there.....For the brahma order it soon because you'll wait a very long time.

Also check out the forums on www.visionaryaudio.com (http://www.visionaryaudio.com) they have a lot of good info on adire and re and people from both companies post there.

I read up on a lot of threads on all those other forums, and this is one of the only ones without all those corporate types constantly plugging their wares. I mean if they are here, big ups for all the unbiased opinions...

for some reason, my computer doesn't seem to get that website. is there a different spelling or something.....

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yea, i thought i was the only one. this computer is so slow and it sucks.

Go to the adireaudio home page and click on the brahma 15, then download the ownser manual. It tells you how much power you need for the specific box you build and tuned to whatever htz you want. The 10" brahma in a small sealed box has a 7000 watt capability

and small sealed with 7000 watts will sound like butt...

not to mention it will fry the voice coil in a matter of seconds

Well they give those specs on their own sub for some reason

they just give the true specs on their subs to be honest, instead of overestimating like just about every other company out there to try to protect themselves from warranty issues. They tell you how it is, and trust that you'll be grown up enough to treat the equipment right on your own. The only thing that number is telling you, is that the sub will take 7000 watts to hit full excursion in that size box at that frequency, it says nothing about whether the sub will actually be able to handle that much power thermally.