liquid or paste wax

which do you all prefer, liquid or paste wax? i've used both and i really don't have a preference but i'm just wondering what you all like.

I like liquids , synthetic liquids

zymol all the way

Im gonna go with paste. Ive used it for years,and im gonna stick to it.
Besides,ive heard that liquid doesnt last as long,but with all of the products we have today,its hard to tell.

I have always prefered the liquid.

The liquids I use last up to 10 years.

Liquid!

liquid easier to get on the car ..instead of going into a jar

Markgase2000,


The liquids I use last up to 10 years.

What would this be! I respectfully admit I can't believe this!

Anyway..I prefer pastes!

My two favorites are:

P21S Concours Wax...

Oh this stuff is dreamy...easy on, easy off, no waiting to buff, won't stain trim and the reflectivity is amazing!

The next is and save the best for last:

Pinnacle Souveran...

Got a black or red or yellow car (or just dark for that matter)..give this a try..and call 911 before you apply it, cause it is going to take your breath away and stop your heart! Incredible Wax! So creamy and smooth..goes on and off like butter and the depth it adds to dark colors is un-freakin-believable!

i am in favor of paste...yeah it sucks goin into a jar, but i always find that the paste wax applications seem to outlast the liquids...this could be due to poor liquid waxes but i dont really care.

They both really work just as good...its really just a matter of preference and convience....

[QUOTE=f1guy68]Markgase2000,




What would this be! I respectfully admit I can't believe this!

QUOTE]
The liquid sealant is called Pearl Guard with a proper aplication it will last for 10 years or more so long as it is washed properly after. You apply it simply by hand with a wax application pad. I get it from a franchise that provides warranties for protection packages they say its not available to the general public. They also have a powerfull auto paint conditioner that lasts years too. [email protected] (http://[email protected]) if that link doesnt work try looking up Pro-Tec Seal Manufacturing. Ask them about the sealants and compounds they carry.

Any one ever heard of La Cera Amirella? Its an easy on carnuba with a teflon fortifier in it , you soak a pad with it and simply apply it evenly over the paint let it dry and take it off. It looks awesome after but lasts only weeks. Carnueba wax is organic and breaks down (decomposes) so it doesnt last very long , the synthetics I use are hardcore expensive and are generally used with a high speed polisher. Another line up of compounds is the Production Auto paint care system , its synthetic as well and is considered comercial grade but I find it last only months to a year if your lucky. Im lucky that I found such an effective line of synthetics.

[QUOTE=f1guy68]Markgase2000,




What would this be! I respectfully admit I can't believe this!

QUOTE]
The liquid sealant is called Pearl Guard with a proper aplication it will last for 10 years or more so long as it is washed properly after. You apply it simply by hand with a wax application pad. I get it from a franchise that provides warranties for protection packages they say its not available to the general public. They also have a powerfull auto paint conditioner that lasts years too. [email protected] (http://[email protected]) if that link doesnt work try looking up Pro-Tec Seal Manufacturing. Ask them about the sealants and compounds they carry.
respectfully i also can't believe it. 10 years! if it's not available to the general public, then how do you get it? i would pay you for a sample of it for maybe one application to try it. i would love to see something stand up to the harsh ohio winters, & to date nothing does, at least for a long period of time.........

Usually every liquid wax has some surfactants which will act as a "cleaner" would. This however does not make liquid wax a CLEANER WAX. When layering a liquid wax, generally, it is best to apply by hand. A machine applied second or third layer may take off a bit more of the wax already on the vehicle.

Selent Waxes or Polymers such as Liquid Souveran and Meguiar's NXT have a cleaning action. Much more prevelent in NXT(as it was designed so) than LS (more of a byproduct of being a liquid selant) Both excellent products.

Any Paste, which by nature has a more "pure" base of carnuba has virtually no surfactants or cleaning agents. (of course unless put there by the manufacturer.)

Which one is best? Which ever one you like is the best answer. When using a machine application, I much prefer the liquid variety. When using a paste, hand is my preferable method of application.

Technique is far more important than the product used.

personally i think the liquid is easier to apply--i was given a bottle of Meguiar's liquid gold and it made my 10 year old Saturn glow--great stuff!

I always use pure carnuaba wax in a straight hand movement. I find it gives a better finish. but of course when im detailing and if people dont specify for it i just use the liquid wax and the machine.

The next is and save the best for last:

Pinnacle Souveran...

Got a black or red or yellow car (or just dark for that matter)..give this a try..and call 911 before you apply it, cause it is going to take your breath away and stop your heart! Incredible Wax! So creamy and smooth..goes on and off like butter and the depth it adds to dark colors is un-freakin-believable!
Maybe it doesn't matter, but what do you suggest for a light colored vehicle like a white car.

TS out

The liquids I use last up to 10 years.


This is totally false.

There is no product that will last more than several months, in good conditions, on a cars surface.

Thsi is nothing but hype. It matters not if a "certificate of guarantee" comes along with it because on all dealer installed "sealants" the "buyer" must come in for re-applications on a regular basis. Most recommend coming in every 3 months for a rejuvenator or they give you some to apply it yourself. If you do not re-apply the rejuvenator then you void the warranty.

Logic would then state that if I must re-apply this "10 year sealant" every 3 months then it's really not good for 10 years and also what's the difference if I wax my car every 3 months?

So again there is no sealant that will last 10 years let alone 8 months. I am not calling "Markgase2000" a liar but rather the statement made is false and he (or she) has been given false and misleading information.

As for the liquid/paste question......liquid waxes generally give great shine and gloss, usually more so than pastes, but they do not last as long as pastes because of the higher solvent content. Most enthusiasts prefer paste waxes because they love to feel the paint as they wax, it is a labor of love. The weekend warrior types prefer a liquid wax because its fast and easy.

Anthony

I always use pure carnuaba wax in a straight hand movement. I find it gives a better finish. but of course when im detailing and if people dont specify for it i just use the liquid wax and the machine.

Hi Entity,

No wax is "pure carnuaba" because if it was then you would be rubbing a literal brick across your paint. It's kinda misleading when manufacturers put on their labels, "100% carnauba" when in reality its more like 18% carnauba and the rest are other waxes plus solvents.

Forgive my rant.....

Anthony

those bastardos, thats blatent false advertising then ... :'(

This is totally false.

There is no product that will last more than several months, in good conditions, on a cars surface.

Thsi is nothing but hype. It matters not if a "certificate of guarantee" comes along with it because on all dealer installed "sealants" the "buyer" must come in for re-applications on a regular basis. Most recommend coming in every 3 months for a rejuvenator or they give you some to apply it yourself. If you do not re-apply the rejuvenator then you void the warranty.

Logic would then state that if I must re-apply this "10 year sealant" every 3 months then it's really not good for 10 years and also what's the difference if I wax my car every 3 months?

So again there is no sealant that will last 10 years let alone 8 months. I am not calling "Markgase2000" a liar but rather the statement made is false and he (or she) has been given false and misleading information.

As for the liquid/paste question......liquid waxes generally give great shine and gloss, usually more so than pastes, but they do not last as long as pastes because of the higher solvent content. Most enthusiasts prefer paste waxes because they love to feel the paint as they wax, it is a labor of love. The weekend warrior types prefer a liquid wax because its fast and easy.

Anthony
Wow nice attack lol too bad you know nothing about it. Your all entitled to your own opinions but these products make me money and I have never had customers bring back the vehicles saying the sealant doesnt last. I have used many different paint sealants this one we made is the best Ive ever used Pearl Guard , and it comes with a lifetime guarantee that if the paint fades you get a free $5,000 factory quality paint job at the auto body shop of your choice. Oh ya I am not a liar that sucks when people call someone a liar for something simple and stupid like this especially when they obviously are clueless on the subject. I do this for a living and simply offered my help. We had cars from 7 years ago that folks had this sealant put on during purchase and it still lasted 7 years why not 3 more? I have some of the most happy ford customers (csi) reports in canada. Ummmm i just wonder what I did so bad to be called out like that? Oh well if you think Im a liar or wrong or whatever just remember I got an edge on you cus I use a Lifetime guaranteed product that kicks marketing butt with a 100% satisfaction rate so I figured it wouldnt hurt to discuss it here. Its nice to know I got an edge this edge will keep making me more and more money thanks for the ignorance it helps me make more cash! Im ready for more slings and arrows now.

Mark,

Hello and thanks for the reply. I apologize if my post offended you but I believe your anger is misplaced as I never called you a "liar". If you re-read my post it states that I am NOT calling you a liar. Nor have I "called you out" so to speak.

I believe you have a great deal to offer people and as you correctly noted I am giving my opinion as you have given yours.

Take care,
Anthony

Wow nice attack lol too bad you know nothing about it. Your all entitled to your own opinions but these products make me money and I have never had customers bring back the vehicles saying the sealant doesnt last. I have used many different paint sealants this one we made is the best Ive ever used Pearl Guard , and it comes with a lifetime guarantee that if the paint fades you get a free $5,000 factory quality paint job at the auto body shop of your choice. Oh ya I am not a liar that sucks when people call someone a liar for something simple and stupid like this especially when they obviously are clueless on the subject. I do this for a living and simply offered my help. We had cars from 7 years ago that folks had this sealant put on during purchase and it still lasted 7 years why not 3 more? I have some of the most happy ford customers (csi) reports in canada. Ummmm i just wonder what I did so bad to be called out like that? Oh well if you think Im a liar or wrong or whatever just remember I got an edge on you cus I use a Lifetime guaranteed product that kicks marketing butt with a 100% satisfaction rate so I figured it wouldnt hurt to discuss it here. Its nice to know I got an edge this edge will keep making me more and more money thanks for the ignorance it helps me make more cash! Im ready for more slings and arrows now. in all honesty, i can't believe any product lasts that long. i've used many & they all wash off after a few months especially through winter, salt conditions. are you saying that your product pearl guard will bead water for 10 years even through salt, heavy rain?

Markgase2000 - your true character and intelligence really shine through your post. It's a great thing that you live in Canada.

"Almost 3 years running the detailing shop I work in and ran it for 1 1/2 years before that." :lol::lol:

Yes I ran the detail shop I work at for 3 years now , i previously worked there for 1 1/2 years before but I quit. I worked for other manufacturers before that (GM , Toyota) but you can be sceptical of my sealant all you want , It still beads several years after enduring winters which i guarantee you yanks know nothing about compared to us. You wanna talk about character your lacking in character by jumping on something you know nothing about. I really dont understand how I deserve to be called a liar when Im simply trying to help. Its as if you folks felt threatened by it. I tell you what , find a Pro-Tec dealer and try it before your opinion matters to me otherwise use your brain and keep your mouth shut for something your obviously clueless to support. Your first post here ZaneO and your already spamming. I did not offend anybody in these posts just trying to help. So if you folks dont want it no problem Ill keep to myself just say so. Notice how I dont call names or put folks down maybe you should try the same and read and put your comments down just dont have to spam it up sheesh!

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/116855My_polishing_system-med.jpg
This is what I use try it then if you dont like it then you can spam me up.

Where can we get some to test ourselves?

Chris Pace

i use a 10 yr sealant on my old car. i also got 200 mpg. it was awesome

Calm down, bud. No one has called you a liar. We are just skeptical of an unheard of phenomenon coming from your sealant.

You keep telling people they know nothing...how can you be so sure?

I don't consider my opinion spam. Spam is usually referred to as promoting a product or company without sponsorship, but I guess you would know better than me due to your high post count.

You don't call names or put folks down, but I have a "lack of character" and am "clueless?"


P.S. When I try to present my services to peolpe, I try to use proper English, grammar, and punctuation.

Have a great day :cheers:

It was up untill now that I have broken my code of ethics when dealing with skeptical folks. If proper grammer makes me a stupid Canadian then I will work on my grammer when trying to give free help to others.
I appologize for getting worked up over this. I got alot of advice that works and I dont expect anything in return. Yes I have a high amount of posts so what makes me no different than you and it doesnt mean I know more than you justyour first post was knocking me as a detailer and a canadian just because I thought it wasnt that important to use grammer and punctuation (Is this site a writers forum?) Thanks for teaching me a lesson.

OK , I will explain this product in simple terms.
I was never told it lasts 10 years I was told it lasts the life time of the paint. It works alot different than conventional waxes or sealants where a reaplication is necessary to maintain the warranty this product is permanent and only requires a single aplication. when you apply it you let it stand on the paint for an hour and it slowly seeps into the layers right down to the primer. I had a truck that had damages on it when I sanded it down to primer and washed it off the primer would sheet the water away just like the clear coat. I couldnt paint over the primer. The only 2 ways I have found that removes the sealant is using 901 body solvent or straight gasoline with rubbing. Even when I use a clay bar the paint still sheets. I sealed the paint on my car and it still sheets the water off after 3 winters without any reaplications. It wont stop the paint from scratching but it does make the paint stronger and resists rock chips ect... Im not always that great at explaining things cus I dont always have time to fully use my noodle. My grammer sucks I know sorry.
Sorry for bein a jerk :( I understand If you guys keep pokin at me. But I am sorry. You all have a great day too!

Usually protected paint beads water (even fresh paint beads). How would you know if this sealant stopped working?

Good question. It will stop sheeting but Ive never seen that happen to any of our trade ins. When I use wax the water beads off the paint but when I seal the water sheets off the paint instead. I got a costumer who figures his occupation will put it to a test (oil rigs) hes trading in this month from a 3 year lease I will let you know the results on a beat up work truck. You've obviously forgivin me thank you.

"water beading" does not mean anything as a paint with no wax on it will bead, as noted by ZaneO.

You are correct in that a sealant sheets water more so than beads but it is surface tension that causes water beading, basically a water drop rounding itself out via gravity (in a nutshell :) ) and this can be demonstrated if you clay a car, remove all the wax and then wet it down. The water beads.

Ron Ketcham, a manufacturer of car care products...."Valugard".....and a leader in the OEM side of car care would surely make and sell a product if it could last 10 years. Fact is that there are no secret potions out there, no miracle concoctions or space engineered technology that will allow a product to last on a painted surface for any longer than 8 months, 10 if kept in a garage.

The materials and chemicals available to one chemist is also available to others. This product may do a great job in sealing the paint or it may give off a great shine but it can't last 10 years.

Mark.....in closing I would ask that you please post up where I called you a liar?

Thanks,
Anthony

So, if it stops sheeting and doesn't bead, can you prove that there is protection?

So, if it stops sheeting and doesn't bead, can you prove that there is protection?
I was saying Ive never seen this happen but it would stop when it wears off. The only way Ive seen it removed by anyone other than me was when a customer used gas to remove tree sap off his SUV hes the only guy that voided his warranty so far. I havent found any that have worn off. Even if it stops beading the paint underneath is more than likely still protected cus like I stated before it soaks down as deep as the primer when applied properly. Its tough to explain I guess the best thing to do is try it if you can get your hands on it. I also use another sealant but I wont back it up like the pearl guard since I havent used it for very long. The other sealant is called Pearl Express and it is sprayed through a paint gun and seals plastic ,glass chrome and paint. I have seen this wear off the glass but not the paint "yet" .

Anthony I apologize ok I had a brain fart.

pastes are better the wax lasts longer, in my opinion

Markgase2000 - After reading this thread and knowing the honesty of Anthony Orosco, both in how he lives his life and his business, there is no malice in what is in the written word. Based on knowing his being a Master Detailer and my "sensei", his words only reflect the concern of/for claims which can be deceptive if one reads them in total. They can be disected as we are "seeing" in the posts which have followed. These claims are not necessarily your words, but those made by the manufacturer. For the most part we find these written by experienced writers in someone's marketing dept. which may create and "urgency" to the consumer. It seems you are merely reciting these words and identifying with them.

We are so fortunate to have someone with Anthony's morals, ethics and experience to highlight these claims of HERCULEAN proportions and question them.

Again, if it seems to good to be true it usually is. The fact that a "booster" must be added seems to be somewhat contradictory to the original claim. I could change a few terms in the "sales pitch" and insert another manufacturer's sealent and all of a sudden use the same basic "schtick" to sell a totally different product(s), some of which may have nothing to do with Detailing products!

Anythony, thank you for thinking "out of the box" yet being tangible. May a few of the Exotic Cars you have built your business on with your committment to this profession, come our way with the only magic potient I know of - hard work and practice.

Peace-Out!

No the manufacturer says its U/V protection last forever and the surface protection last only a few years (with the sheeting action) but I have trade backs that have seen better days that still sheet the water away from the surface from 6 years ago without ever having a reaplication. I had a discussion with the representative in my area (about this thread) and he thinks Im crazy too however he also noted that I am more aware of the products capabilities than he so he says he will back me up. He also gave me crap about mentioning the sealant it suposed to be used only by certified dealers.
I said sorry to your sensai already its up to him to forgive me I had a bad day and nothing was making sense to me and I freaked out. This is not like me so I am sorry to him and all the rest of you.
I also wouldnt mind discussing some of these products with local dealers If your in central Alberta PM and I will give you my dealer phone number and we can set up a time for a demo.
As far as I have searched these are the best products I could find and since its such a large planet theres gotta be a bigger better deal out there. In the late 70's and early 80's there was a permanent paint protection product that after several timed aplications would permanently shine and bead water I think they were some of the first in synthetics to revolutionize the market on paint protection. Ive seen these cars/trucks but nobody knows where to get these extinct products perhaps I need to look deeper cus I want them.
The closest thing Ive found was Ming but its not as long lasting or nice as what I am using now.
I am gonna put in extra effort and show you all some processes I use to recondition paint for warranty aplications. These products cause a chemical reaction in the paint that stabilize and restore it totally to same as new.
I love this job its one of the toughest jobs in a dealership and a very important one at that. I also feel bad for bein a jerk misreading posts and replying to what i misread. I had a brain fart dislexic or some stupid thing whatever my problem was its over and i am sorry.

P.S. When I try to present my services to peolpe, I try to use proper English, grammar, and punctuation.

Have a great day :cheers:

What's a peolpe? :)

I know many brilliant people who can't spell, or compose a sentence to save their lives. And some who have excellent grammar etc. but aren't terribly bright at all. So what?

One of the most valuable contributors to another forum here has helped hundreds of people with their tech questions, and probably every one of his posts is in all caps, and no punctuation at all. A bit difficult to read, yes, but extremely helpful.

So let's lighten up on the grammar policing and get back to detailing shall we?

I believe the point being made is that proper grammar, speech and spelling is HIGHLY important in the business world. How does it look when you make out a invoice for a client and it looks like a 4 year old wrote it out?

"Yo man..we can like shine this ride up fer ya, make it all bling, bling" I know guys who can detail well but sadly they talk like this. This is why they only detail low end beaters and don't have any high end cars owned by CEO's, doctors or lawyers.

Slang and ebonics might be fun to koke around with but it doesn't get you very far in the real world. As evidence I use Ron Artest, of the Indiana Pacers, recent comment. He was asked if his actions have jeopardized the teams integrity? He had no idea what the word "integrity" meant! In fact I could hardly understand the guy. So yes we should not "police" people on forums for grammar BUT proper communication skills are vital to being taken seriously as a professional.

Markgase - I hold no grudge against you. I believe you were perhaps offended by my post, include a bad day and I can understand your lashing out. No problem.

Now I do have problems with this product you use and promote. The main thing is that there is no way that a paint protection product can seep down into the primer. This alone should make you very skeptical. I would like to see their evidence to back this up because I know chemists that would also like to see it.

As with all things I am a mere human and subject to error and will readily admit my error.

Take care,
Anthony

Anthony

Thank you for not holding a grudge , I am not promoting this product as it is not readily available to the general public. The only paint protection product they have for customers is the auto paint conditioner and it has a short life span and for a reason. The conditioner is made to be removed or break down so it can be reaplied for scratch repair which it can easily do even on level 3 scratches with a power polisher and since it is not a sealant it only lasts 6-12 months. Yes theres alot of things that chemists and auto body techs have told me about using enamel paints as a base coat and clear acyrlic laquer as a top coat they say this doesnt work it cringes but I make it work its unconventional but works very well.
Im not here to sell any products no no no I am not a salesman I deal with salesmen every day and always prefer to be where Im at running a detailing shop and solving problems for our customers no matter if they own a $500 beater car or if they own a GT40 they all get treated with the same amount of respect us consumers deserve. I am not a buisness man , my customers (Doctors , Lawyers , Millionaires , Blue Collars , Oil Tycoons , ect...) all get what I would expect for service and they all know I dont sell a product to them if I dont think its necessary like in leasing and simply suggest they get there hands on user friendly products such as MGuires and Mothers.
I am going to take a break from the detailing end of auto forums I do it 6 days the week then I come on here and talk about it thats too much I need rest.
You all take care too ,
Mark

I use liquid compounds from Pro Tec Seal as well , great product but not user friendly to the unexperienced.
I had to take courses to learn the products do's and dont's. I just recently aquired my level 1 training after several months of getting used to it.
I will be learning how to cut polish soon.
I have a question for "Markgase2000" but he says he isn't posting here any more. Mark if you read this , I am in Alberta Canada how about you?
Thanks in Advance!
Mel , Ford Detailer

so what is the best wax that u can buy at a car store or wal mart, ive heard mcguiears what do u guys recomend?

Mothers paste wax, Meguiars #20, #26 are all good choices.

A very durable paste wax is Collinite's "Insulator" paste wax but this is mainly an on-line bought wax......you MIGHT be able to purchase it at marine and boat stores.

Anthony

paste will give you a longer shine, However alot of elbow grease

paste a tad bit better, liquid just easier to use
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