Marijuana Legalization in Alaska

I saw today on Fox News about Alaska is going to vote this November on the legalization to smoke, carry, grow, or sell ANY amount of marijuana. I couldn't believe it. I just wanted to know what you all thought about this. But my :2cents: is :ylsuper: !!!

Fox News Article (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129495,00.html)

:eek: HERE I COME ALASKA! :) :smile: :disappoin :icon16: :sly: :2cents:

it used to be legal, but then they made it illegal

Wow, lets all head 3000 miles to a cold, desolate, hellhole just to smoke marijuana.

im down!

Wow, lets all head 3000 miles to a cold, desolate, hellhole just to smoke marijuana.
I just need to grab a roll of toilet paper and a flashlight then I'm ready to go.

Wow, lets all head 3000 miles to a cold, desolate, hellhole just to smoke marijuana.
My thoughts exactly...

Tax the fuck out of it, the perfect cash-cow.

Wow, lets all head 3000 miles to a cold, desolate, hellhole just to smoke marijuana.

Fuck yeah, apparently not everybody agrees, but I myself wouldn't mind winter year round.

well, if it does pass, and they do legalize it, which I doubt the US government would let the law be legal... but if they managed to get it into action, I sure as hell hope they make stiff laws against driving under the influence of it a high crime just like DUI. marijuana can impaire your judgement just as effectively as alcohol.

*edit* Plus, one thing I just thought of, but if it becomes legal, you know how many cases in the prison system will then go to challenge there convictions, and the possible influx of prisoners let out onto the street. some of them violent, and the one thing that helped them get convicted, was that marijuana charge.....

Wouldn't it not matter, since the trials were run under the law of the time?

under the old laws they were convicted yes, but they can challenge it under the new law, which supercedes the old law, and pretty much makes it defunct.

Ergh. Now that's going to be ugly.

I'm not worried about people getting out of jail because this law passed. They broke the laws at that time. Not only that, but even if they say possesion is legal now, growers did not have licenses, sellers didn't pay taxes and of course any other crime committed (theft, assault, etc) would not get washed out by it.

People in prision for possession should be released anyway and just fined several thousand.

Yeah right Sniperx. I DO NOT agree with you man. You drink 12 a pack and your falling on your ass (some people), you dont know what your saying, you cant remember anything. Dude don't get me started on the cons of both. I have NO WHERE NEVER been as shitfaced as I have drinking beer. And all of them poor souls SHOULD be let out of prison. They didn't do anything wrong that our for-fathers didnt do. Yeah I bet there are guys sucking dick for a joint, or running in your house stealing your fridge for a bong hit, get the hell out of here man. There has NEVER been ONE death caused by marijuana. Cigarettes and Beer KILLED MANNY!!! So lets legal the killer drugs, but the ones that make you happy...make it illegal. :screwy: ANYWAY, Alaska isn't that bad weather wise. But still if they make it legal the private sector (jobs) still will prolly hold the right to not hire you ya know, and that would really suck.

well since most of you dont know, marijuana was legal is alaska up untill the 1980s i think that was the time date. So everyone up their is already huge pot heats. Not to mention that its so isolated from the US and the population isnt massive, making a drug like marijuana legal isnt that bad. They dont have gangster thugs selling marijuana or drug wars going on. The reason (in myopinion) that marijuana is illegal in the US is not cause of the effects of it, but because of the people who sell it. The gangerster, gang bangers, crack heads, all those people. I highly doubt alaska has that problem.

i am getting tired of all these weed threads. i am beginning to think that 5 point 7 is quite a young fellow. of course there have been deaths due to smoking weed. you have got to be kidding me if you think otherwise.

I think he's confusing deaths caused by marijuana with deaths caused by alcohol poisoning or cancer from cigarettes. He's right that the health risks of weed are not as severe as the others, but he is wrong about no deaths beause of it.

A difference with marijuana though is its effect on others. Someone smoking just stinks (you won't get second hand anything unless you're exposed for a long time). With alcohol, you get to laugh at the person, stink and potential vomit on your shoes. In both cases you don't get your body altered by their actions. Marijuana though can give that contact buzz. While people can walk away, its the responsibility of the user to make sure that others are not effected by their actions. Put it in brownies or whatever other methods people want to waste their money with. Just don't burn it around me, or you'll wish you were drinking instead as it will dull the pain of my fist breaking your nose.


With all that said, I wouldn't mind seeing it legalized.

No one to date has died because of smoking weed. They might had died because they smoked weed and then crashed a car, but the reason for their death wasnt the weed, it was the poor driving skills. While the weed contributed to the poor driving skills it wasnt the ultimate cause of death. If you look at the numbers, cigarretes and alcohol kill thousands more each year. Im sure everyone knows someone in high school who drank to much and had to get their stomach pumped. Theirs pleanty of people who die each year from alcohol poisoning. Theirs massive ammounts of people who die from cigarretts. And those two are legal. Marijuana has NEVER killed anyone to date. Mainly because its impossible to smoke enough marijuana to shut down your body functions, before you could do that you would simply fall asleep or be so messed up you wouldnt be able to smoke anymore.

I remember reading that weed is actually more carcinogenic than cigarette smoking. we know that people "usually" do not smoke weed like they do cigarettes, but i have known a few people that do. and yes, they will eventually die from marijuana, and they do not smoke cigarettes.

i am getting tired of all these weed threads. i am beginning to think that 5 point 7 is quite a young fellow. of course there have been deaths due to smoking weed. you have got to be kidding me if you think otherwise. Yeah nice little personal attack there... :greddy2: Look at your avatar your pounding a 40. Didn't you have the sig pic where your passed out in a tub or something?? wtf, thats your thing, have fun with it. And yeah you could have had your stomach pumped due to it. And about a quite a young fellow?? I guess so...donno what that means, I'm 18 and......And about the breaking the nose thing, thats pretty dumb to. But I guess you can seem tough if you wanna. I wasn't even trying to take this thread to that level. But offended you may get, facts are facts people.

of course there have been deaths due to smoking weed. you have got to be kidding me if you think otherwise.
Do me a huge favor dude, and PROVE IT!


And about the legal thing in Alaska was true in the 70's before I think.

i have no reason to make a personal attack, i am just showing that a young person is very likely an ignorant person. sorry if you took it as one. for those that dont know, my avatar is the way it is because i am 21, and a few of us did the same thing in another forum. i have done every drug i have come into contact with. i have not done heroine or crack. i have done just about everything else, but have since matured.

"* Marijuana has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens.42 In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 percent to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke.43 It also produces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form, levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells.44 Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may increase the risk of cancer more than smoking tobacco does."http://www.streetdrugs.org/marijuana4.htm

hope someone learned something. yes, legalizing weed would be a great idea :rolleyes: .

Do me a huge favor dude, and PROVE IT!

I have to agree with this, in every thread I've seen where proof of these "cancer-causing" claims, or any claim of marijuana killing anyone shows up, the most people can throw up at you is a lame story of someone smoking a joint and crashing their car. I can crash my car sober too you know. Here is a very informative site I've found, it has a detailed list of different drugs and their effects, positive, negative, or otherwise. www.erowid.com Health effects of marijuana here http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_health.shtml

More than likely, the young ones wont see a problem with weed until someone close to them gets seriously hurt, i'll or dies. It is very unfortunte the way it happens but its really a fact of life. I know more than 1 person who has died from the effects of weed. Saying that weed doesnt kill someone is just like saying a person who shot someone else didnt kill them, the gun did. but ultimately when it comes down to it, who pulled the trigger? who made the bullet come out of the gun and hit the other person. "An object at rest stays at rest until acted upon by an outside force" that is a proven law and it goes for all things. If you dont smoke the weed and put that shit in your body, then you, yourself are making the decisions and are more cohearent to drive adn such. 5 point 7 you need to come up with logic and facts that prove that weed isnt bad for you and then maybe someone would listen to you and make a "personal attack" which most of us don't here. Ideas are attacked not people, in your case, you are almost the only one tryting to argue an invalid point so your ideas will be attacked, stop acting like a little baby, do your damn research and then maybe someone will listen to you.

I could give to shits if someone wants to do whatever drug they want and fuck themselves up in whatever way it happens. I just don't want it affecting me. Smoking weed has an immediate adverse affect on people surrounding them that tobacco and alcohol do not. Wether more people have died becaues of drug A or B is immaterial.

then why is alcohole(sp) legal? not to go OT, buts its pretty bad as well. kill brain cells and babies still in there mothers.

I could give to shits if someone wants to do whatever drug they want and fuck themselves up in whatever way it happens. I just don't want it affecting me. Smoking weed has an immediate adverse affect on people surrounding them that tobacco and alcohol do not. Wether more people have died becaues of drug A or B is immaterial.

well stated by a 37 yr old.

all i was trying to get across before this closes...weed can cause cancer just like a cigarette. i do not believe that you can overdose on either one.(unless injection of the active chemicals is suggested) marijuana can cause cancer, and may be as addictive as nicotine. i am just watching out for your health, and those around you.

then why is alcohole(sp) legal? not to go OT, buts its pretty bad as well. kill brain cells and babies still in there mothers.

True enough, doesn't make sense to me either, alcohol poisoning kills people every day, and marijuana doesn't have links to major crime which is a deciding factor in the illegalization of harder drugs such as cocaine or heroin. Couldn't tell you much more on why alcohol is legal while marijuana is not. Sorry but considering cannabis can be used for oils, fabrics, paints, rope, and the fact that one acre of cannabis yields as much paper as four acres of woodland makes me think that we would use it at least for industrial purposes. Of course when large companies have big investments in these industries, it's hard to convince anybody to let a newcomer steal the show.

well stated by a 37 yr old.

all i was trying to get across before this closes...weed can cause cancer just like a cigarette. i do not believe that you can overdose on either one.(unless injection of the active chemicals is suggested) marijuana can cause cancer, and may be as addictive as nicotine. i am just watching out for your health, and those around you.

Yes, it is possible that it can, the evidence is there although there's no hardcore proof yet, but thank you for providing sources to back up your claims, that's more than I've seen almost anybody else do in a discussion over this topic. :)

You people who want it legalized have the burden of proof not those of us that don't :thefinger:

ok in case you dont know, EVERYTHING CAUSES CANCER!! SweetnLow a common substance causes cancer. sugar can cause cancer, the exhaust from you car can cause cancer, sunlight causes cancer, EVERYTHING CAUSES CANCER! just some do more than other, cigarrets cause cancer extremly easy compared to any of the others. The odds of getting cancer from marijuana are prolly as high as getting cancer from sweetnlow. YOur more likely to get cancer from the sun than marijuana. I know i got some melignant spots removed from my skin because of the sun.

Im all in 4 alaska! :smokin:

Im not gonna argue the fact that mj is bad for your health, but personally Im not worried about it harming me. I stay in shape and run daily so if i wanna smoke up once a week i dont see having a problem anytime soon.

Back to the first subject, marijuana is the #4 cashcrop in north carolina. Its #1 on some states lists. If it were legalized and taxed, thered be a bumload of $$ for the state and federal governments. But my only fear woudl be seeing a marijuana field that looks like the tobacco fields aroudn here. Potency would go down and chemicals from pesticides would go up. Ew. Mainstream weed.

WOW people most of you amaze me with your confrontational actions... :loser: . That one girl saying I should grow up. LOL. Anyway to kittedb18, you said there were DEATHS!! You never said anything about it "not being good for you". NOTHING is good for you. You drinking is isnt good for you. BUT you dont give a shit...thats the point. Inhaling a wood fire isnt good for you. No smoke is. And about the puff for puff thing. you dont smoke as much weed as you do a cigarette. it may be as bad but less of it. some people smoke 2-3 packs a day!!! OMG tho... And yogvr-4 what are there people pinning you in a closet blowing massive plumes in your face????? Id doesnt effect you. you do whatever you do everyday and it never effects you. Just like the cigarette thing no one is making you inhale. Walk away...if they are ignorant and smoke around you.

Saying that weed doesnt kill someone is just like saying a person who shot someone else didnt kill them, the gun did. but ultimately when it comes down to it, who pulled the trigger? who made the bullet come out of the gun and hit the other person. "An object at rest stays at rest until acted upon by an outside force" that is a proven law and it goes for all things.
I didnt understand what you were trying to say, but then I realized...your unltimately saying you friend killed themselves (which in case he/she did actually did die of weed.....????)


5 point 7 you need to come up with logic and facts that prove that weed isnt bad for you and then maybe someone would listen to you and make a "personal attack" which most of us don't here. Ideas are attacked not people, in your case, you are almost the only one tryting to argue an invalid point so your ideas will be attacked, stop acting like a little baby, do your damn research and then maybe someone will listen to you.
wow, well, what I meant about a personal attack was about my being young, thats is NOT an IDEA in which you are refering to as getting attacked....sure my ideas can get atacked all they want, thats why i put it here. And obviously your making an personal one as well. nothing to do with the idea. your just saying i need to get facts about it harming you.

The whole point is when ur judgement is impared you do stupid things... Stupid things can = Bad consiquences.

I used to smoke weed pretty regularly throughout High School, and the worst thing I can say it did to me, was promote some less-than-beneficial lazyness. As a matter of fact, in hindsight, I blame most of the difficulty I had with HS on the fact that I smoked so often.

That being said, there are so many more reasons why Pot should be made legal. I can guarantee that any claim put up against pot, can be refuted. For instance:

1. The scientific claim has been made, on numerous occasions, that Marijuana actually is proven to have more carcinogens than Tobacco. This is most likely true. HOWEVER, what they don't tell you, is that these test were done using the leaves of the tobacco plant against the leaves of the Marijuana plant. Anyone who has smoked pot can tell you that it's not the leaves that you smoke, it's the bud.

2. Pot does not cause car accidents, PEOPLE cause car accidents. Anyone who would get into a car and drive under the influence of ANYTHING is obviously starting off with concerns deeper than a mere drug. Also, having witnessed people driving under the influence of either Marijuana or Alcohol, I can say this with relative confidence: Stoned Driver = 20 MPH under the speed limit. Drunk driver = 20 MPH over the speed limit. This is providing the stoner even has the drive to get up and go out. I don't know about most other people who have smoked, but when I was stoned, I didn't feel like getting off my ass for anything that didn't involve going to the cabinet for snacks.

3. The government refuses to legalize drug usage, despite the fact that most people will agree: if someone wants to use the drug, they'll get it anyways. Legalizing it would not create MORE smokers, it would just lower the issues with overcrowding in our jails. Hell, they could slap a "You must be 21 years of age or older to purchase this" warning on it, tax it, and open up another agricultural opportunity. And since the drugs are produced, regulated, and controlled by and in the United States, they've automatically eliminated that "You buy drugs, you fund foreign drug cartels and terrorism" crap.

4. There is a rather well known test that was done a couple decades back. Several Rhesus monkeys were hooked up to ventilators pumping out a constant supply of Pot smoke, somewhere around the equivalent of smoking one joint an hour, 24 hours straight, for several consecutive days (don't quote me on the time periods, but they're something to that effect.) The findings, which were reported in a medical journal dated around 1981, were lambasted, due to the fact that the experiment has numerous critical flaws, chief among them were the use of only 4 monkeys, and the mis-diagnosis of monkey brain tissue as being "damaged" as a result of the tests (never mind the fact that any brain cell structure will show signs of damage if denied necessary Oxygen levels, like what would be encountered were one forced to breath Pot smoke through a ventilator apparatus.)

5. The fact remains, there has NEVER been a proven case of death as a direct result of ingestion of Marijuana smoke or its chief chemical ingredient THC. That said, how many people die EVERY DAY as a direct result of damage to the liver, kidneys, throat, lungs, stomach, and any number of internal body parts as a result of Alcohol/Tobacco ingestion?

6. According to the powers that be, drugs are bad for you... unless they have some sort of pharmaceutical company backing it, paying stipends back to the government. "A drug that makes you lazy, provides a sense of Euphoria, makes you happy, and gives you the munchies is BAD." But Oxycetapractilac (shown here accompanied by a butterfly, a dog running, a girl on a swing, and an old person rowing a boat) can excite ulcers, induce nausea, vomiting, and stomach pains, cause liver or kidney failure, upset pre-existing heart conditions, and even bring about death if used incorrectly, is A-OK in the government's book. Rightttt..... Man, look at that woman, she's catching fireflies in a net! I must have whatever condition she had too! I need THAT drug, maybe then I can be the one smiling back through a vaseline-coated lens and touched-up film print! :loser:

7. Every one of those dumb anti-drug commercials that they play on television are ridiculously flawed in their reasoning, probably as a result of trying to prove a point that really doesn't exist. When I watch that commercial about the guys in the car who pull up to the restaurant stoned, order the food, then take off, hitting the little girl riding her bike on the side of the road, I don't wonder about the harmful effects of Pot smoking- I wonder why in the hell there's a little girl riding her bike alone on the side of a main road in the first place! Screw Pot contributing to that girl's accident, I blame the parents who are neglecting her :disappoin

I could go on, as I'm sure many other proponents of legalization would agree. There are just no valid reasons why it SHOULDN'T be legalized. The only thing stopping it is some sort of misplaced sense of judgement on behalf of the powersthat be.

I applaud you SIR!

well stated by a 37 yr old.

Are we gonna tell this man to grow up???????? :disappoin







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