Bush-bashing vs Kerry-bashing
carrrnuttt
08-15-2004, 01:58 PM
So, there has been claims of rampant Bush-bashing in here, especially by Yogs, and of course 'Naki claims that pro-Bush people can only smear, as they have nothing to support.
So with this thread, I have decided to examine both sides. It is no mystery in this forum, where my vote is going in November (just got my new voter registration card, with my new address, last week, woo-hoo), but I will try to be as impartial as I can be. If either side feels I am not, feel free to bash me (which will more than likely happen anyhow).
Anyhow, to even make it more fair, you guys will be helping this thread along. If you have something to add to both lists below, then quote my post between the lines ("~~~"), and add an APPROPRIATE subject to the listing. I am sure I will forget quite a few important ones. Remember, these are lists for which incumbent, and hopeful, are being bashed, and/or criticized for.
I will be posting footnotes to the Kerry-bashing topics, where I have found information contrary, or relating, to the criticism. Bush suporters, feel free to do the same for the incumbent.
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So let's examine this:
Bush bashed for:
WMD's, and/or lack thereof the Iraqi war, and its handling his country-bumpkin image his poor speaking abilities stance against environmental protection poor-handling of our money (or liberal handling) negative image overseas, and in association, the USA's his handling of 9-11 his Administration's apparent reticence in revealing what should be, public records - in many differing areas of government Patriot Act for bringing religion into his politics for his tax/financial policies, which has brought the USA into a very sizeable deficit, which is only growing his, and his family's oil ties, and by association, Arab ties his Vice President's oil, and Halliburton ties his friendliness to Enron's Kenneth Lay, and Mr. Lay's apparent ability to dodge justice under Bush's administration looking like a chimpanzee his association with the Vietnam-era, Air National Guard's "champagne squadron", and missing military records that detail what could be his desertion of his service for up to a year(1) getting pulled-over for driving drunk apparent frat-boy, and party'er personality in college Dick Cheney Donald Rumsfeld his "people's" liberal use of smear, especially against one of the Republican's own, Sen. John Mccain, during the 2000 nominations his support of NAFTA, and now, CAFTA his plans to establish a standing U.N. Army, and his financial support of it amnesty for illegal immigrants waffling on his campaign promises his former companies' inability to stay out of bankruptcy, and support from the Bin Laden family in one of these companiesKerry bashed for:
apparently waffling in his policy decisions his questionable medals, and service(2) his wife's apparent use of the Tides Foundation to use ketchup money to support fringe political groups(3) even his Swift-Boat crewmates won't support him(4) his apparent use of Botox his protest of the Vietnam War raised taxes, if he becomes POTUS being a "Liberal liar" looking like Gumby, and/or Frankenstein apparent lack of personality his support of NAFTA his affinity for marrying rich heiresses his support of stem-cell research Liberal voting record, especially when it comes to our money
(1) Note: the Vietnam-era ANG was HUGELY different from the present-day ANG. Note written, so as not to diminish from the current group of ANG personnel currently serving domestically, and abroad.
(2) http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp
(3) http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/tides.asp
(4) http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/swift.asp; http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth
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For those that will be making revisions to the above, please try to keep the list and its footnotes as clean-looking as possible, and even though we are discussing the bashing in here, try to be as civil as possible.
So, which of the above is relevant, and/or important, when making a decision of who to allow to run the USA for the next four years? What percentage of the above do you guys think, per candidate, is just absolute political slander, as opposed to a true criticism?
Discuss.
So with this thread, I have decided to examine both sides. It is no mystery in this forum, where my vote is going in November (just got my new voter registration card, with my new address, last week, woo-hoo), but I will try to be as impartial as I can be. If either side feels I am not, feel free to bash me (which will more than likely happen anyhow).
Anyhow, to even make it more fair, you guys will be helping this thread along. If you have something to add to both lists below, then quote my post between the lines ("~~~"), and add an APPROPRIATE subject to the listing. I am sure I will forget quite a few important ones. Remember, these are lists for which incumbent, and hopeful, are being bashed, and/or criticized for.
I will be posting footnotes to the Kerry-bashing topics, where I have found information contrary, or relating, to the criticism. Bush suporters, feel free to do the same for the incumbent.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So let's examine this:
Bush bashed for:
WMD's, and/or lack thereof the Iraqi war, and its handling his country-bumpkin image his poor speaking abilities stance against environmental protection poor-handling of our money (or liberal handling) negative image overseas, and in association, the USA's his handling of 9-11 his Administration's apparent reticence in revealing what should be, public records - in many differing areas of government Patriot Act for bringing religion into his politics for his tax/financial policies, which has brought the USA into a very sizeable deficit, which is only growing his, and his family's oil ties, and by association, Arab ties his Vice President's oil, and Halliburton ties his friendliness to Enron's Kenneth Lay, and Mr. Lay's apparent ability to dodge justice under Bush's administration looking like a chimpanzee his association with the Vietnam-era, Air National Guard's "champagne squadron", and missing military records that detail what could be his desertion of his service for up to a year(1) getting pulled-over for driving drunk apparent frat-boy, and party'er personality in college Dick Cheney Donald Rumsfeld his "people's" liberal use of smear, especially against one of the Republican's own, Sen. John Mccain, during the 2000 nominations his support of NAFTA, and now, CAFTA his plans to establish a standing U.N. Army, and his financial support of it amnesty for illegal immigrants waffling on his campaign promises his former companies' inability to stay out of bankruptcy, and support from the Bin Laden family in one of these companiesKerry bashed for:
apparently waffling in his policy decisions his questionable medals, and service(2) his wife's apparent use of the Tides Foundation to use ketchup money to support fringe political groups(3) even his Swift-Boat crewmates won't support him(4) his apparent use of Botox his protest of the Vietnam War raised taxes, if he becomes POTUS being a "Liberal liar" looking like Gumby, and/or Frankenstein apparent lack of personality his support of NAFTA his affinity for marrying rich heiresses his support of stem-cell research Liberal voting record, especially when it comes to our money
(1) Note: the Vietnam-era ANG was HUGELY different from the present-day ANG. Note written, so as not to diminish from the current group of ANG personnel currently serving domestically, and abroad.
(2) http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp
(3) http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/tides.asp
(4) http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/swift.asp; http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For those that will be making revisions to the above, please try to keep the list and its footnotes as clean-looking as possible, and even though we are discussing the bashing in here, try to be as civil as possible.
So, which of the above is relevant, and/or important, when making a decision of who to allow to run the USA for the next four years? What percentage of the above do you guys think, per candidate, is just absolute political slander, as opposed to a true criticism?
Discuss.
YogsVR4
08-16-2004, 12:00 PM
Lets first pick on the list you've made.
Twice you used the word 'apparent' when referring to Kerry. Nothing apparent about his waffling and lack of personality (in the same vane that Bush has the country-bumpkin image).
The point of Bush looking like a chimpanzee is a waste - anyone can be photoshopped to look that way. Might as well delete it or add it to Kerry. The same goes with the frat boy image (since both were members of the same fraternatity on the same campus).
Several of the thing you have listed under Bush I do not consider bashing. His handling of 9-11 was fantastic. Cheney and Rumsfield are pluses not minuses. His fiscal policies on tax cuts are good - spending is horrific.
Neither Bush or Kerry should be bashed for their support of NAFTA.
Both should be soundly bashed for supporting the UN in any shape or form.
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Twice you used the word 'apparent' when referring to Kerry. Nothing apparent about his waffling and lack of personality (in the same vane that Bush has the country-bumpkin image).
The point of Bush looking like a chimpanzee is a waste - anyone can be photoshopped to look that way. Might as well delete it or add it to Kerry. The same goes with the frat boy image (since both were members of the same fraternatity on the same campus).
Several of the thing you have listed under Bush I do not consider bashing. His handling of 9-11 was fantastic. Cheney and Rumsfield are pluses not minuses. His fiscal policies on tax cuts are good - spending is horrific.
Neither Bush or Kerry should be bashed for their support of NAFTA.
Both should be soundly bashed for supporting the UN in any shape or form.
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carrrnuttt
08-16-2004, 12:34 PM
Feel free to copy and edit, with your own footnotes (preferrably), both lists. Makes for an easier, and less emotional read.
Anyhow...
Here's my question to you, Yogs:
You frequently mention the "Bush-bashing" going on in here, yet, in the list I came up with, with or without the word "apparent", I come up with 4 attacks in here about Kerry that involves irrelevant things, namely: The fact that he might/might not be using chemical facial reconstruction His facial features His apparent lack of personality (I will say "apparent", as I have seen his speeches, and no personality is a grave misrepresentation) Whom he married, and/or is married toOh wait, I'll HAVE to add: What's in your sigYet, with Bush, we have:
His public-speaking skills (no "apparent" here, and it also translates to the next item) His country-bumpkin image (which him, and his campaign are glad to propagate in some degree, as it makes him appear more personable). He was more than happy to emphasize his "Westward Ways", in his recent speech here, in Arizona. His college party-ing days (strengthened by his DUI) His facial featuresSo, with all of the above, feel-free to point-out to me where Bush is getting undeserved "bashing", as you call it. I can understand where some of the above is somewhat irrelevant to picking who'd be a better President but, the first two items on Bush's list is something thrown in front of us by either himself, or his campaign all the time, while a DUI (for which he was never charged, BTW) to strengthen his frat-boy image, irregardless of Kerry's affiliation with the same fraternity, well - says a lot about the man.
Yet here you are, posting articles about Kerry's wife, posting quite refuted links about these "shipmates" of his talking against him, of which I, and many other veterans, are repulsed over, as far as their tactics, irregardless of whether or not we agree. Not to mention your signature.
Either way, it speaks volumes about the character of both campaigns - if not a reflection of the candidates behind them.
Maybe as they say, you should, "talk the talk, and walk the walk"...
As for Bush's "fantastic" handling of 9-11, if it was that "fantastic", then Michael Moore wouldn't have a hit movie on his hands (irregardless of whether you agree with him or not - I for one haven't seen the movie, nor care to)
Anyhow...
Here's my question to you, Yogs:
You frequently mention the "Bush-bashing" going on in here, yet, in the list I came up with, with or without the word "apparent", I come up with 4 attacks in here about Kerry that involves irrelevant things, namely: The fact that he might/might not be using chemical facial reconstruction His facial features His apparent lack of personality (I will say "apparent", as I have seen his speeches, and no personality is a grave misrepresentation) Whom he married, and/or is married toOh wait, I'll HAVE to add: What's in your sigYet, with Bush, we have:
His public-speaking skills (no "apparent" here, and it also translates to the next item) His country-bumpkin image (which him, and his campaign are glad to propagate in some degree, as it makes him appear more personable). He was more than happy to emphasize his "Westward Ways", in his recent speech here, in Arizona. His college party-ing days (strengthened by his DUI) His facial featuresSo, with all of the above, feel-free to point-out to me where Bush is getting undeserved "bashing", as you call it. I can understand where some of the above is somewhat irrelevant to picking who'd be a better President but, the first two items on Bush's list is something thrown in front of us by either himself, or his campaign all the time, while a DUI (for which he was never charged, BTW) to strengthen his frat-boy image, irregardless of Kerry's affiliation with the same fraternity, well - says a lot about the man.
Yet here you are, posting articles about Kerry's wife, posting quite refuted links about these "shipmates" of his talking against him, of which I, and many other veterans, are repulsed over, as far as their tactics, irregardless of whether or not we agree. Not to mention your signature.
Either way, it speaks volumes about the character of both campaigns - if not a reflection of the candidates behind them.
Maybe as they say, you should, "talk the talk, and walk the walk"...
As for Bush's "fantastic" handling of 9-11, if it was that "fantastic", then Michael Moore wouldn't have a hit movie on his hands (irregardless of whether you agree with him or not - I for one haven't seen the movie, nor care to)
YogsVR4
08-16-2004, 01:19 PM
Nobody is bashing Kerry much at all because he doesn't have any supporters. None. Not a single one comes into this forum. Either someone is for Bush or they are against him.
I thought this thread had some potential, but on further evaluation, I see that I was wrong.
Good luck.
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I thought this thread had some potential, but on further evaluation, I see that I was wrong.
Good luck.
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carrrnuttt
08-16-2004, 02:46 PM
Nobody is bashing Kerry much at all because he doesn't have any supporters. None.
LOL
Isn't what you just said a contradiction in itself? "Nobody's bashing him, because he has no support."
Also, it's also hypocrisy on your part, considering your sig.
I thought this thread had some potential, but on further evaluation, I see that I was wrong.
Pray tell, will you share with us these evaluations, and what they entail? Under what criteria are you evaluating it under? The standard?
Maybe if you share, I might be able to build a thread that come near your exacting standards next time...
LOL
Isn't what you just said a contradiction in itself? "Nobody's bashing him, because he has no support."
Also, it's also hypocrisy on your part, considering your sig.
I thought this thread had some potential, but on further evaluation, I see that I was wrong.
Pray tell, will you share with us these evaluations, and what they entail? Under what criteria are you evaluating it under? The standard?
Maybe if you share, I might be able to build a thread that come near your exacting standards next time...
lamehonda
08-16-2004, 03:00 PM
I agree that people will bash those who have support and will ignore those without. The media has proven to be very good at this.
2Slow4U_Noob
08-16-2004, 03:11 PM
hey i'm for this thread. it would be nice to see both arguments on both sides clearly stacked up against each other instead of just another name calling thread. I think YogsVR4 has somewhat of a point. I don't think the general American public(except for the die hard Republicans and Democrats) really want either candidate. It seems to be a "choose the lesser of two evils" kinda deal. Ok well lets see some more bashing!! :)
DGB454
08-16-2004, 03:19 PM
Is this a thread to gather support for a particular candidate thinly veiled as an "impartial" observation/list?
Good one.:bigthumb:
No one will be able to see through you're ruse.
Good one.:bigthumb:
No one will be able to see through you're ruse.
carrrnuttt
08-16-2004, 03:33 PM
Is this a thread to gather support for a particular candidate thinly veiled as an "impartial" observation/list?
Good one.:bigthumb:
No one will be able to see through you're ruse.
Wow. You're the smart cookie in your family, aren't you?
So with this thread, I have decided to examine both sides. It is no mystery in this forum, where my vote is going in November (just got my new voter registration card, with my new address, last week, woo-hoo), but I will try to be as impartial as I can be. If either side feels I am not, feel free to bash me (which will more than likely happen anyhow).
Anyhow, to even make it more fair, you guys will be helping this thread along. If you have something to add to both lists below, then quote my post between the lines ("~~~"), and add an APPROPRIATE subject to the listing. I am sure I will forget quite a few important ones. Remember, these are lists for which incumbent, and hopeful, are being bashed, and/or criticized for.
Now, rather than wasting your precious brain energy trying to find subtle ways of attacking me, why not try and see if you can impart your own observation to the subject being discussed? Nice try at a diversion though...
Good one.:bigthumb:
No one will be able to see through you're ruse.
Wow. You're the smart cookie in your family, aren't you?
So with this thread, I have decided to examine both sides. It is no mystery in this forum, where my vote is going in November (just got my new voter registration card, with my new address, last week, woo-hoo), but I will try to be as impartial as I can be. If either side feels I am not, feel free to bash me (which will more than likely happen anyhow).
Anyhow, to even make it more fair, you guys will be helping this thread along. If you have something to add to both lists below, then quote my post between the lines ("~~~"), and add an APPROPRIATE subject to the listing. I am sure I will forget quite a few important ones. Remember, these are lists for which incumbent, and hopeful, are being bashed, and/or criticized for.
Now, rather than wasting your precious brain energy trying to find subtle ways of attacking me, why not try and see if you can impart your own observation to the subject being discussed? Nice try at a diversion though...
driftu
08-16-2004, 03:57 PM
hey i'm for this thread. it would be nice to see both arguments on both sides clearly stacked up against each other instead of just another name calling thread. I think YogsVR4 has somewhat of a point. I don't think the general American public(except for the die hard Republicans and Democrats) really want either candidate. It seems to be a "choose the lesser of two evils" kinda deal. Ok well lets see some more bashing!! :)
:iagree: at the same time i am scared that we use the term "lesser of two evils" for the people running for control of the most powerful nation in the world.
:iagree: at the same time i am scared that we use the term "lesser of two evils" for the people running for control of the most powerful nation in the world.
DGB454
08-16-2004, 04:36 PM
[QUOTE=carrrnuttt]Wow. You're the smart cookie in your family, aren't you?
QUOTE]
Yep. You?
QUOTE]
Yep. You?
thegladhatter
08-17-2004, 03:56 AM
I thought this thread had some potential, but on further evaluation, I see that I was wrong.
I never saw it.
I never saw it.
carrrnuttt
08-17-2004, 10:22 AM
All of you "smart people", that have nothing better to do than to pick on a thread that you feel is threatening your incumbent, why don't you quote my "list", and edit it to your purpose, as was intended in the first place? Instead of making inane quips and cracks that do nothing more than instigate another emotional debate?
Especially you, Yogs, I expected more out of you. :disappoin
Of course I will see things from my point of view...duh.
The point was, you guys were supposed to quote the "list", and alter it to reflect your POV, but nah...you guys were too busy feeling threatened, and acting defensive, that you guys missed that.
The only potential "lost" in this thread, was you guys. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Especially you, Yogs, I expected more out of you. :disappoin
Of course I will see things from my point of view...duh.
The point was, you guys were supposed to quote the "list", and alter it to reflect your POV, but nah...you guys were too busy feeling threatened, and acting defensive, that you guys missed that.
The only potential "lost" in this thread, was you guys. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
DGB454
08-17-2004, 12:37 PM
I'm sure you aren't referring to me. Neither Bush nor Kerry are my incumbent. So I don't feel threatened in the least.
driftu
08-17-2004, 04:05 PM
what about bushs failure to bring osama to justice for 9/11
and him seemingly being proud to be a wartime president.
then there is kerry and who really knows what he will do if he gets into the oval office.
and him seemingly being proud to be a wartime president.
then there is kerry and who really knows what he will do if he gets into the oval office.
carrrnuttt
08-17-2004, 05:50 PM
I'm sure you aren't referring to me. Neither Bush nor Kerry are my incumbent. So I don't feel threatened in the least.
Of course I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the "smart people". You know, the ones that know what "incumbent" means. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/screwy.gif
Of course I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the "smart people". You know, the ones that know what "incumbent" means. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/screwy.gif
Cbass
08-17-2004, 05:56 PM
what about bushs failure to bring osama to justice for 9/11
and him seemingly being proud to be a wartime president.
Especially with a number of people coming forward announcing his pre-911 pretences to become a wartime president.
then there is kerry and who really knows what he will do if he gets into the oval office.
Most likely continue the Clinton agenda, which is ok by me... The Clinton agenda had room for diplomacy, and focused more on the economy than foreign policy.
and him seemingly being proud to be a wartime president.
Especially with a number of people coming forward announcing his pre-911 pretences to become a wartime president.
then there is kerry and who really knows what he will do if he gets into the oval office.
Most likely continue the Clinton agenda, which is ok by me... The Clinton agenda had room for diplomacy, and focused more on the economy than foreign policy.
thegladhatter
08-18-2004, 12:07 AM
what about bushs failure to bring osama to justice for 9/11
and him seemingly being proud to be a wartime president.
What a dumb comment. #1 How many crimnals dumber than BinLaden have evaded capture for longer than this?? Crimony. How long did they pursue the Unibomber? Then they only found him with help from his brother. Bush SHOULD be proud of his presidency. He has done a fine job. The 9/11 crap was a result of 8 freaking years of Clinton's incompetence, and only 8 months of Bush trying to repair the damage.
then there is kerry and who really knows what he will do if he gets into the oval office.
I see absolutely nothing that would indicate that Kerry has a clue.
and him seemingly being proud to be a wartime president.
What a dumb comment. #1 How many crimnals dumber than BinLaden have evaded capture for longer than this?? Crimony. How long did they pursue the Unibomber? Then they only found him with help from his brother. Bush SHOULD be proud of his presidency. He has done a fine job. The 9/11 crap was a result of 8 freaking years of Clinton's incompetence, and only 8 months of Bush trying to repair the damage.
then there is kerry and who really knows what he will do if he gets into the oval office.
I see absolutely nothing that would indicate that Kerry has a clue.
Bish8808
08-18-2004, 12:26 AM
Im gonna do some Kerry bashing here since thats what this forum is for...
Kerry's achievements in life:
His wife - doesn't trust him with her money, and just recently added "Kerry" to her name. (for the campaign of course)
His military service - shouldn't be using that as a positive, cause he is a member of the VVAW (kind of ironic eh?)
3 purple hearts - after the third returned to base, but still on active duty and joined the VVAW and actively protested the US presence in Vietnam, while his 'buddies' were still fighting the war
Kerry is for the war, but against funding for it. So we can send the troops overseas with (1) not enough ammo, food, etc. (2) not enough support e.g. not enough troops or backup (3) no recognition for their dedication and willingness to give their life for their, our country.
Kerry is also Pro-Choice. Not that i am completely the whole abortion process, but really, if it is legal, what is to stop teenagers from having mad rabbit sex, and then just getting an abortion if they get pregnant? Just imagine the STDs that would be spread, we could be shortening the life expectancy of the US to that of what many third world countries are. Thats disgusting.
Kerry is not decisive enough to be commander-in-chief. The commander-in-chief needs to be decisive and back up his decisions to the fullest extent.
Also look at this - scary http://uploads.ungrounded.net/content.php?id=180007&name=180007_tv.swf&title=Kerry%20+%20Edwards&date=1092542400&quality=b&uj=0&w=650&h=480
Kerry's achievements in life:
His wife - doesn't trust him with her money, and just recently added "Kerry" to her name. (for the campaign of course)
His military service - shouldn't be using that as a positive, cause he is a member of the VVAW (kind of ironic eh?)
3 purple hearts - after the third returned to base, but still on active duty and joined the VVAW and actively protested the US presence in Vietnam, while his 'buddies' were still fighting the war
Kerry is for the war, but against funding for it. So we can send the troops overseas with (1) not enough ammo, food, etc. (2) not enough support e.g. not enough troops or backup (3) no recognition for their dedication and willingness to give their life for their, our country.
Kerry is also Pro-Choice. Not that i am completely the whole abortion process, but really, if it is legal, what is to stop teenagers from having mad rabbit sex, and then just getting an abortion if they get pregnant? Just imagine the STDs that would be spread, we could be shortening the life expectancy of the US to that of what many third world countries are. Thats disgusting.
Kerry is not decisive enough to be commander-in-chief. The commander-in-chief needs to be decisive and back up his decisions to the fullest extent.
Also look at this - scary http://uploads.ungrounded.net/content.php?id=180007&name=180007_tv.swf&title=Kerry%20+%20Edwards&date=1092542400&quality=b&uj=0&w=650&h=480
taranaki
08-18-2004, 01:13 AM
Kerry is for the war, but against funding for it. So we can send the troops overseas with (1) not enough ammo, food, etc. (2) not enough support e.g. not enough troops or backup (3) no recognition for their dedication and willingness to give their life for their, our country.
Kerry is also Pro-Choice. Not that i am completely the whole abortion process, but really, if it is legal, what is to stop teenagers from having mad rabbit sex, and then just getting an abortion if they get pregnant? Just imagine the STDs that would be spread, we could be shortening the life expectancy of the US to that of what many third world countries are. Thats disgusting.
Straw men :disappoin
Kerry is also Pro-Choice. Not that i am completely the whole abortion process, but really, if it is legal, what is to stop teenagers from having mad rabbit sex, and then just getting an abortion if they get pregnant? Just imagine the STDs that would be spread, we could be shortening the life expectancy of the US to that of what many third world countries are. Thats disgusting.
Straw men :disappoin
jcsaleen
08-18-2004, 01:43 AM
What about that whole truth squad crap bush sent out and they kickd all the kerry supporters asses YEA! :icon16:
driftu
08-18-2004, 02:00 AM
What a dumb comment. #1 How many crimnals dumber than BinLaden have evaded capture for longer than this??
well true but this is a guy who needs medical treatment for his bad kidneys. plus they call him the single greatest threat to the free world. how about they seemingly gave up all together. oh yeah and his family is in reall deep business wises with the bush family.
Bush SHOULD be proud of his presidency. He has done a fine job. The 9/11 crap was a result of 8 freaking years of Clinton's incompetence, and only 8 months of Bush trying to repair the damage.
i said war time president. but anyways yeah clinton screwed shit up and guess what it isn't getting any better.
well true but this is a guy who needs medical treatment for his bad kidneys. plus they call him the single greatest threat to the free world. how about they seemingly gave up all together. oh yeah and his family is in reall deep business wises with the bush family.
Bush SHOULD be proud of his presidency. He has done a fine job. The 9/11 crap was a result of 8 freaking years of Clinton's incompetence, and only 8 months of Bush trying to repair the damage.
i said war time president. but anyways yeah clinton screwed shit up and guess what it isn't getting any better.
thegladhatter
08-18-2004, 06:07 AM
Kerry's achievements in life:
His wife - doesn't trust him with her money, and just recently added "Kerry" to her name. (for the campaign of course)
His military service - shouldn't be using that as a positive, cause he is a member of the VVAW (kind of ironic eh?)
3 purple hearts - after the third returned to base, but still on active duty and joined the VVAW and actively protested the US presence in Vietnam, while his 'buddies' were still fighting the war
His wife - doesn't trust him with her money yep. She didn't rust him enough with her money when they married so they had to have the ol' prenup'. If she can't, can we?
His military service - shouldn't be using that as a positive, cause he is a member of the VVAW (kind of ironic eh?)yep, BUT he wasn't just a MEMBER. This loser was the FOUNDER!!! Not a positive in my book!
3 purple hearts yep, but we should rephrase that. 3 DUBIOUS Purple Hearts.
His wife - doesn't trust him with her money, and just recently added "Kerry" to her name. (for the campaign of course)
His military service - shouldn't be using that as a positive, cause he is a member of the VVAW (kind of ironic eh?)
3 purple hearts - after the third returned to base, but still on active duty and joined the VVAW and actively protested the US presence in Vietnam, while his 'buddies' were still fighting the war
His wife - doesn't trust him with her money yep. She didn't rust him enough with her money when they married so they had to have the ol' prenup'. If she can't, can we?
His military service - shouldn't be using that as a positive, cause he is a member of the VVAW (kind of ironic eh?)yep, BUT he wasn't just a MEMBER. This loser was the FOUNDER!!! Not a positive in my book!
3 purple hearts yep, but we should rephrase that. 3 DUBIOUS Purple Hearts.
DGB454
08-18-2004, 06:44 AM
Of course I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the "smart people". You know, the ones that know what "incumbent" means. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/screwy.gif
Oops! My error. Answered to quickly without proofreading.
I'm very, very suprised you caught that.
Oops! My error. Answered to quickly without proofreading.
I'm very, very suprised you caught that.
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