Rock setup???

ok, i have been reading this forum for a while now as well as looking other places on the web. I was looking to setup a nice clear sounding system in my car (96 Cougar), i mainly listen to rock. Im going to order an Alpine CDA-9831 or 33 off ebay when i get around to it. But i have questions as to what to order after that.

On this forum everyone likes how LOUD their system is but i dont think for rock that would be to great. I listen to mostly classic rock and new rock and ill play rap when my friends are in the car cause most of them hate rock. They have systems in their car and well their nice and loud and all bass and suck to play rock on. What speakers/amp/subs should i get to put in my car.

The stock speakers are 5x7 but you can fit bigger in the rear 1/4 panel with a little effor. I have some money to spend id say no more then 800-1000 but thats the most i would really want to spend and would much rather spend less(of course).

I was thinking Infinity components for my doors and pioneer 6x9's for the rear(my friend has them and they sound pretty good). But i really dont know much and havent heard that many products.

Thanks in advance for any help given.

Lacrosseguy

looks like we are in the same boat, i like alot of the punk and rock and that type of stuff.

what i reccomend is a set of nice front components amped, some real nice ones like focals or cdt's, give them about 150 watts a side, and then one oz audio matrix elite 12, i'm gonna be ordering one soon off ebay probly, and have heard from many many reputable sources to be extremely similar to the IDMAX. get around 400-500 watts to give to that oz 12 in a well made box, and you will be set....

you will be able to stay under 1000$

edit: if i know which car you're talkin about, the cougar isn't that big, so i don't think that you will need rear fill, just take the rear stock speakers out so that the sub will be heard better in the cabin

I was looking at the Elemental Designs website and I was pretty impressed with the prices. I was wondering if i were to purchase their component system or even a complete audio package would it work well for me. Or would the sound quality be more towards rap the rock

Honestly as far as speakers go. I would run all CDT a pair of components for the front. with a good 100x2 feeding them from a nine.2 over at ed. I would get either the HDsub from CDT, or the 2 12kv2 combo at ED. ED is a must for amps, IMO price wise. Sound quality is sound quality for anything. There is no such thing as rap sound quality or rock sound quality. One of the complete sound systems would be fine... The bigger the better IMO. I would go sealed boxes. make sure you set all the gains right and adjust the bass to blend properly

i think an oz audio matrix elite would beat those other subs, and they are like 160$ on ebay.

maybe... anyhow I am running a setup which is mostly rock if you want to call it that and it is using similar to what I mentioned above with a XXX15

edit: the oz audio ME 12 is 200 shipped on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18803&item=5714364253&rd=1

Would this be the OZ sub in question?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18803&item=5714364253&rd=1

Would this be the OZ sub in question?

yes it would be

I have a set of CDT components in kickpods and a JL 8W3 molded into each door, I get a pretty good bit of bass out of that set up

I have a set of CDT components in kickpods and a JL 8W3 molded into each door, I get a pretty good bit of bass out of that set up

i think with this setup you would be very happy, but i dunno if you could take on the install work involved, and with one oz 12 is probly equal in price to 2 8w3's. and will probly play a little lower.

Thanks for all of the helpful replys. I have a question as to the last reply though are you saying that 2 8w3's are better than the oz 12. Because i was just about to put in bids on the oz 12 and a CDA-9831.

no, he was saying the oz would play lower and cost as much as the 2 8"s

yes, oz 12 > 2 8w3's

Hi there!!!!! my english isn´t soo god... i´m from sweden...
You listen mainly to rock.... then I think you shuld use a seald box.... and then stamp it full of dampmaterial.... i´m using a 10inch sony woofer for every day use, and i can listen to everything from bach to deep trance/techno..... My amp is an Autostudio pro 2.4 (2*40 / 1*150 @ 4ohm) The front speakers ar G.A.S cyber X 4inc kit... thats all... And it´s rocking real goooood... For high spl i´m using a 15inch ground zero woofer in an seald box, no damping, the same amp and my higest spl is 136,7dB plz remember that the amp is only on 150watts!!!!!! For more info plz send a mail or PM me and i´ll try to help y some more
/ Roine Persson Gotland/Sweden

the oz is a great sq woofer, and it would do great for rock in a sealed or ported box.....but for best results sealed, and it doesn't take alot to get that sub goin....

Hi there!!!!! my english isn´t soo god... i´m from sweden...
You listen mainly to rock.... then I think you shuld use a seald box.... and then stamp it full of dampmaterial.... i´m using a 10inch sony woofer for every day use, and i can listen to everything from bach to deep trance/techno..... My amp is an Autostudio pro 2.4 (2*40 / 1*150 @ 4ohm) The front speakers ar G.A.S cyber X 4inc kit... thats all... And it´s rocking real goooood... For high spl i´m using a 15inch ground zero woofer in an seald box, no damping, the same amp and my higest spl is 136,7dB plz remember that the amp is only on 150watts!!!!!! For more info plz send a mail or PM me and i´ll try to help y some more
/ Roine Persson Gotland/Sweden

I understood most of that... What you also need to know is if you port a box it can sound much better than sealed on rock too

I take it the best step for a box would be to have someone build one that is suited for the oz 12.

And thank you for all of the help so far guys.

get one tuned low if you go ported... or go sealed

I understood most of that... What you also need to know is if you port a box it can sound much better than sealed on rock too
Great that you understood most of it.....
Yes a ported box can sound much better tha the sealed one, but! The ported are more sencitiv to curtan peaks / Hz.... The sealed ar more musical. You can play more difrent kind of music. And a big + are the size one the boxes. Sealed are often smaller then the vented..... If you are only playing your rock music, then go for the ported.... but, as you wrote before, you often have som techno/trance friends in your car, so I would go for the sealed one.... My experience says that sealed boxes are better then vented.... Thats my opinion......

Great that you understood most of it.....
Yes a ported box can sound much better tha the sealed one, but! The ported are more sencitiv to curtan peaks / Hz.... The sealed ar more musical. You can play more difrent kind of music. And a big + are the size one the boxes. Sealed are often smaller then the vented..... If you are only playing your rock music, then go for the ported.... but, as you wrote before, you often have som techno/trance friends in your car, so I would go for the sealed one.... My experience says that sealed boxes are better then vented.... Thats my opinion......
I disagree...

Some woofers need a little help in certain areas like maybe the low end. For example my sub has a F3 at 44hz when in a sealed box... So I just port it and tune it to about 25hz and it kicks. Different subs are made for different boxes.

Ok i orderd the oz me12 of ebay. Now im having troulbe with the amp. Im looking for a mono amp, i should just match up the rms correct?
http://jti-innovation.com/oz/oz_prod_matrix_elite.htm#oz12
If you have any suggestions on a good amp to match this sub let me know.

yep you should match the RMS... Which Sub dual 2 or dual 4?

http://www.edesignaudio.com/miva/merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=BASK&Store_Code=ED&Action=ADPR&Product_Code=NINe2&Attributes=Yes&Quantity=1


That is my suggestion for a dual 2...

the dual 4. Im probably going to buy the eDi's for ed i was talking with an online tech this morning

I have heard the edis are great... They are a lot like my CDTs...

as for an amp... JBL bp.600.1

what kind of cdt's are they? i don't know much about speakers. Are these good?

http://www.thezeb.com/detail.aspx?ID=1083

their pretty cheap.

those are good... I don't know what the cost of the edis are now, but also try www.edesignaudio.com (http://www.edesignaudio.com) or look up focals on ebay

=Haibane]I disagree...

Some woofers need a little help in certain areas like maybe the low end. For example my sub has a F3 at 44hz when in a sealed box... So I just port it and tune it to about 25hz and it kicks. Different subs are made for different boxes.[/QUOTE]


Different subs are made for different boxes.
Thats true.....
But!
I onse had a 10 inc woofer that was supose to "rock your as off" (thats wat the salesman said) in a 25liter vented box (dont remember the dimensons on the aeroport) It sounded like a 5 year old girl trying to sing some basetones..... So, i rebuilt the box to 18l sealed (after a lot trying, that was the best) and then it "rock your as off"....
What i wanted to say was that sealed boxes are often more "forgiving" if you listend to many difrent kind of music like rock, trance/techno, metall and so on....

But a wented has more "punch" than a sealed box.....

Thats true.....
But!
I onse had a 10 inc woofer that was supose to "rock your as off" (thats wat the salesman said) in a 25liter vented box (dont remember the dimensons on the aeroport) It sounded like a 5 year old girl trying to sing some basetones..... So, i rebuilt the box to 18l sealed (after a lot trying, that was the best) and then it "rock your as off"....
What i wanted to say was that sealed boxes are often more "forgiving" if you listend to many difrent kind of music like rock, trance/techno, metall and so on....

But a wented has more "punch" than a sealed box.....


1 - salesmen are idiots
2 - was your ported box a prefab?
3 - I listen to rock, techno, metal, rap, and occasionally SQ demo discs and my ported sub loves them all, I don't know what you mean by sealed being more forgiving....forgiving of what?

1 - salesmen are idiots
2 - was your ported box a prefab?
3 - I listen to rock, techno, metal, rap, and occasionally SQ demo discs and my ported sub loves them all, I don't know what you mean by sealed being more forgiving....forgiving of what?

1 - YES....
2 - No... they gave me a blueprint(?) on the box....
3 - "forgiving of what?" Well.... There you have a great exampel of swenglish..... What i ment was ummmmm.... I cant find the word.... hmm... A wented box is more difikult to build... Wrong sice on the box and it sounds like an old threshing machine.... If you miss whit a liter or so on a sealed box it dosent sound so terrible....
I hope you understud what i ment now....

do you know what the specs were on that custom ported box? The tuning frequency mainly

I get what you mean by "more forgiving", and you're right. It's still not hard though, I mean if your measurements are so far off that you build the box a half a cubic foot off from what you planned, chances are you won't even be able to put it together, nevermind how it will sound. You'd run into the same problem with a sealed box too. The difficulty comes in the design, and if you don't take the time necessary to design a proper box, whether it be sealed or ported, then the sub will end up sounding like crap. Of course like you said, if you design a sealed box wrong it won't sound as bad as if you designed a ported box wrong.