If you have a drivers licence, please read.

My asshole government are going to make it illegal for P-plate drives to be on the road after dark.

Please sign it.
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?drive&1

I need my car for my new job. This new law jeprodises my job.

Asshole government.

AFTER DARK?

What the fuck?

On our restricted we can drive until 10pm.

Has an online petition ever worked?

I don't think so, but there are hundreds of thousands of online patitions, one of them has to of worked.

Our patition is 10pm too.
I didn't know you had a curfew! that's bullshit.

No, it's not really.

Think about it.

Online petitions are a waste of time.TheAustralian government is only going to pay attention to the opinions of genuine Aussie voters,and even then if they feel that the safety considerations of their legislation add up,they won't be swayed by public opinion.P- plate drivers[newly qualified licence holders,for those who don't know] are the most at-risk group on the roads. Ever wondered why your insurance premiums are so high davo? it's because you are statistically proven to be a bad risk.Please don't tell me that you are the greatest driver ever born,that's part of the problem.Too many teenage drivers consider themselves to be ten feet tall and bullet proof while driving.I've prrobably clicked up close to a million k's since I started driving, and the experiences that Ihave had have convinced me that Ireally am an average sort of driver.

The notion that those on restricted licences should not be allowed to drive after dark does sound a bit odd though....if you are not allowed to do something because of inexperience,how are you ever supposed to get that experience? I think the NZ government has it right.A workable curfew is far better than a blanket ban.If this inconveniences a bona fide minority,too bad.The majority of the population,including those who are being inconvenienced,deserves to be protected from the minority at the other end of the skill scale who have yet to realise their limitations.

My hint: Drive a mid-90's Japanese economy car at extremely sedate speeds and you'll never get pulled over.

That's what I learnt on my restricted.....

But the method of advancing from L to P plates in Australia is a joke and I wouldn't sign the petition. Sorry.

Ha thats sad, ours was set at midnight and if you had someone riding shotgun that had their license for 2 years you could stay out as late as you want.

yeah when I had my restristed licence, it was 8:00 I think, but if you were with a parent or a licensed driver then it didn't matter... also another thing to look into is here if you are going to and from work you can still drive past the curfew, just keep a note in your glovebox from your boss stating your hours if you are really worried if not just tell the cop you are coming home from work and he may or may not let you go.




edit: this is in New York.

what country is this lol. people here would flip out. i work at night and so do alot of people my age, because we all go to school during the day. u guys should make joggers run backwards too , just kidding :)

Wow that sucks. Here in GA (U.S.) they don't let introductory drivers have ANY passengers in the car for 3-6 months. Then it's like 1-2 allowed (only family). It's crazy, but no one obeys it.

America Learner's permits change everywhere but curfew based on a license? In VaBch fro just bein under 18 it was 11-5 now it's 12-4 so big deal there. Dont see why we even have one but yeah, the way the age is for your licenses is weird.

Idk Dave, I'd sign it, but it ain't my country and Naki is right (on some things :p) that online petitions are bleh

Hmm lets see..

In IL, you are prohibited from driving after dark with a learner's permit (how are you going to learn then?).

The curfew for 17 and under is 11pm on the weekday and 12pm for the weekend; unless you can prove you are coming home from work.

In BC the regulations for L7 class prohibit driving between dusk and dawn. A driver 25 years old older who has a class 5 must be in the passenger seat at all times and there can be only one other passenger. After being in the class for 1 year you can get a N7, which you must have for 24 months before getting a class 5 license. luckly I got into the system right before those changes were made, so I don't have to follow them. :p

Wow that sucks. Here in GA (U.S.) they don't let introductory drivers have ANY passengers in the car for 3-6 months. Then it's like 1-2 allowed (only family). It's crazy, but no one obeys it.

Yea I know...I also know a friend that got his liscense suspended because of that. Its stupid. At least we can be out until midnight.

What time does the sun go down there during winter? 6pm?

Im from Aus, and i think its a great idea, there are so many P platers out there that think that there the best drivers. Where i live there is a high population of car lovers which just makes the situation worse.
The only reason that there doing is to get you idiot mates out of your car so that they can reduce the peer group pressure.
You know that there will be allowances for people that work you would have to be stupid to think that there wouldn't be.

When you get off your P's and have more driving experance you will realise that it really pisses people off being cut off by a bunch of
fucking 17 year olds in there fully sic commordore

In IL, you are prohibited from driving after dark with a learner's permit

No shit? Damn, I'd have been in deep shit if I'd gotten pulled over all those times I was driving at night with my folks....and those times I followed my dad into town by myself...

Shoot, I wish we had that over here in the states, there are way too many young drivers that think they know how to drive. At times I wonder how they got their license in the first place.

just my :2cents:

:smile:

Signed with comment:
Another pathetic attempt at a bandaid solution for many consecutive governments' lack of adequate driver training. I am disgusted.

Taranaki - the P Plate system they propose to apply this ban to has recently been extended to a 2 stage graduation process.

At 16 you can get a learners permit.
At 17 you can get your P1 license (red P plates)
After a minimum period of 12 months (17, assuming to the day progression), you can get your P2 license (Green Ps, my current class of license), which must be held for a minimum of 2 years before graduating to a full 12 point license.

If you applied for your license every birthday, and were successful on every attempt, the earlist you can possibly have a full license is 20, by which stage you have been on public roads in one form or another for 4 years.

Assuming slightly less than average KMs for a younger driver, say 15,000 per annum, the drivers at one extremity of this ban can reasonable expect to have clocked in excess of 60,000kms when they could drive at night.

If this comes into effect, just another law for me to have to break :rolleyes:.

wow :disappoin

It's not quite that strict in NZ but I haven't EVER met a person who has never broken their learners/restricted license conditions.

Apparently it's dangerous to drive after 10PM, even though there's less cars on the road. And it's illegal to have your brother or your friend in the car with you on restricted license - but you can carry your children .
:rolleyes:

This is our government's ingenious way of lowering the amount of young people involved in crashes, in a country with NO driver training system whatsoever.

Solution- enforce 10 PM limit on green platers (Unless with supervisor- someone with a full license)

Go easier on the red platers (Come to think of it, cut that shit out- get rid of the red plates scheme all together- Make the Green Platers undergo extreme driver training and then when satisfied- Full license them).

Done. I'm the greatest.

Oh yeah. Restrict their freedoms as they progress. At the age of 30, you can drive between 7am and 8am, as long as your engine capacity is under 1000cc, you have less than 1 passenger and you travel below 60km/h. Pure genius.

I say ban all under 25 year olds alltogether.

Oh yeah. Restrict their freedoms as they progress. At the age of 30, you can drive between 7am and 8am, as long as your engine capacity is under 1000cc, you have less than 1 passenger and you travel below 60km/h. Pure genius.
We've been doing it what I stated in my last post in New Zealand for years and it's worked reasonably well (Even though I bended it the best I could- which in retrospect was a dumb thing to do). I don't know how the hell you interpereted what I said that way, but fucking hell- but what I meant is the reverse of how you interpereted it- Give them more freedom as they get more experienced.

Speaking of which CC/power limits versus years in driving is another thing that should be happening- It gradually increases every year after you graduate from the permit by 15 Kw from a base limit of 90 when you get your leaners, until you are 25 and the limit is removed and then it decreases when you get to 70 (Because old people and big cars don't go together well). Would work good in a country like NZ where VERY quick cars are available for VERY cheap.

Sometimes freedoms need to be taken away, especially when given the worlds most lethal weapon.

Oh, raise the age for getting a permit to 17 as well.

Look at it this way- You don't enter a job as boss right after you leave Uni, you start at the bottom, with limited freedoms and get more as you go- that's how I see driving and I wish other people would have that attitude.

Shit, I should so be the guy who makes the Transit laws in NZ.

I say ban all under 25 year olds alltogether.

I say ban all over 40.

I say someone has hacked z3. He would have been less obvious and more funny.



No wait.Reverse that.

I say its a good thing.


less young people on the roads after 10 = more room to stretch the legs :)

I need my car for my new job. This new law jeprodises my job.
I think　that your illiteracy is what will "jeprodise" your job. Forget driving. Stay home and study.

I say someone has hacked z3. He would have been less obvious and more funny.



No wait.Reverse that.

If you're being serious with your silly comment, then I am, too.

Now now boys, let's play nice...

If you're being serious with your silly comment, then I am, too.


You have so much to learn...... :grinno: :grinno: :grinno:

You have so much to learn...... :grinno: :grinno: :grinno:


Hmmmmmm.

Actually, I just realised I couldn't give a shit either way. I hold enough contempt for current laws to break several frequently, what the fuck does one more matter?

Actually, I just realised I couldn't give a shit either way. I hold enough contempt for current laws to break several frequently, what the fuck does one more matter?
So long as you understand the consequences of getting caught breaking them...

I do indeed.

Actually, I just realised I couldn't give a shit either way. I hold enough contempt for current laws to break several frequently, what the fuck does one more matter?


Yeah, another law for me to break as well

But I'm worried that if it DOES come in place, that if you're caught, then it could mean loss of licence, that's my education, job, and social life exterminated in one hit. I can't afford to lose it.

I also just found out, they're trying to ban P-Platers having more than 1 passenger in the car.

That's a load of bullshit. I car pool to uni 4 days a week with 4 people.

My favourite part of the patition, is where it says:

That it is nonsensical that at the age of eighteen, in the Commonwealth of Australia, an 18-year old is judged to be sufficiently mature and intellectually independent to: Drink and purchase alcohol, enter a public house, sign a binding contract, purchase and consume tobacco, become a separate legal entity, engage in sexual intercourse, own/import/purchase firearms, explosives, pornographic material, be drafted into or enlist in the armed forces and be placed in armed conflict, yet is not judged to be sufficiently mature to drive after 10 P.M.


Amen.

If this law passes, I'm going to be very, very pissed off, and I won't be the only one. And I will SPAM John Howards email inbox as well.

Yeah, another law for me to break as well

But I'm worried that if it DOES come in place, that if you're caught, then it could mean loss of licence, that's my education, job, and social life exterminated in one hit. I can't afford to lose it.



I don't think it would be a loss of license...most likely the penalty be roughly the same we got here i.e. a $200 fine. Though if the cop is in a good mood and you're polite you have good chances of getting away with a warning.


Shit, I should so be the guy who makes the Transit laws in NZ.


no..you shouldn't be...:uhoh:

I don't think it would be a loss of license...most likely the penalty be roughly the same we got here i.e. a $200 fine. Though if the cop is in a good mood and you're polite you have good chances of getting away with a warning.




Well...I only have 3 demerit points. If I am cought driving out side of my curfew (assuming law is passed) then that could be up to 4 demerit points, plus a huge fine. That will cause the loss of my licence.

Hopefully if the law comes true, then it will only be 1 demerit point, but I'm not crossing my fingers.

Davo - experience tells me it would probably be 2 points.

I only have 3 at the moment I think. I lost 4 going down to the snow about 3 weeks ago for 138 in a 100. Thank fuck I hadn't been drinking too.

Wow. Australia sucks to driv in eh? all this BS PLUS everyone's already on the wrong side of the road...

Wow. Australia sucks to driv in eh? all this BS PLUS everyone's already on the wrong side of the road...


Hmm, well....wrong side? I doub it. More countries drive on the left hand than the right. Majority rules :D

Hmm, well....wrong side? I doub it. More countries drive on the left hand than the right. Majority rules :D
From what I gather, only Japan, South Africa, the UK, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand drive on the Left of the road ;)

And does anyone know why?

It's because back in the old days of horses, the majority of riders were right handed, so they could swing at their enemys as they passed.

Try that on the right hand side.

At first I thought its because back then when automobiles were starting to be made, that the makers were right handed, and there were all manual. Automatics didn't appear until way much later. Being that they are manual and the makers were right handed it would make sense that the shifter be changed by the hand that you use the most. Hence the right side. Now that theory is blown out of the water when it comes to those countries that drive on the other side of the road. So there goes that theory.

BTW, I would hate to be a left handed person driving in those countries.

TS out

Hmm, well....wrong side? I doub it. More countries drive on the left hand than the right. Majority rules :D
There is no right and wrong. Just different, but YOU are wrong. More are on the right than the left. Although I have always felt that "Left" = "wrong" (but only in politics)

I say ban all over 40.
:agree: old people are way worse than teenagers cause at least the kids bodies are fully fuctioning(sp) and have there eyesight. And can see over the dash board.

TS - I think you've missed it completely. It's all about what you're used to it. We probably find it easier to keep the wheel steady and the fairly basic movements of changing gears isn't so bad for majority right handers in countries that drive on the left.

TS - I think you've missed it completely. It's all about what you're used to it. We probably find it easier to keep the wheel steady and the fairly basic movements of changing gears isn't so bad for majority right handers in countries that drive on the left.
Then why the fuck is everybody constantly all over the road in Australia and NZ?

Then why the fuck is everybody constantly all over the road in Australia and NZ?
The drinking problem(s).

The drinking problem(s).




hahahahahaha that's funny cause it's true!

That's actually what I thought of when he asked the question (I'm drinking beer at the moment...Home Brew :D I hit a good bottle!)

I was too at the time. Driving back from the snow on Sunday night, there was this RBT in Cooma that stuck out like the dogs balls. Probably 40% of cars (lonnngg queue) were taking 'diversions'.

I drank and drove once *hides face in shame*
I wasn't drunk, or even tipsy, but I was.
I was at the pub, and I had 3 scooners, and cause I hadn't had anything to eat for about 6 hours, I was feeling a little tipsy. I then proceeded to drink more beer at a mates place, home brew :D.
2 hours later, I soberd up, and I drove my mates car back from Picton. I was feeling alright. But I still think I was in no shape to drive