The SRT4 is the fastest FWD car ever?

i have started a couple threads in differant car forums and no one can come up with a faster FWD CAR OFF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR THAN DODGE SRT4 NO MATTER THE PRICE

Lotus Elan S2.
Honda EF CRX SiR
Honda EP/EK Civic Type R/Integra Type R
SAAB Vigen
Renult Clio Sport RS (light weight special)


Unless your one of these people who thinks that a 1/4 mile time is the be all and end all of a cars performance, then the SRT4 is possibly the worlds fastest closed minded production FWD car.

The SRT4 is a pretty wild car, especialy for a FWD production car, and its possible its the fastest in a straight line (especialy with on of the factory performance kits fitted), but the SAAB Vigen has more hp stock and the Lotus Elan or Type R Honda's will handle better.
That said both cost a lot more.
Given what it costs the SRT4 is a great bargin!

How About the Acura TL? Its about as fast as the SRT-4 produces 270 Hp, and its FWD, which sucks for a car in that price range, but its still fast.

i was talking about 0-60 and 1/4 mile if you are talking about top speed the srt-4 hits 157 mph

Lotus Elan S2.
Honda EF CRX SiR
Honda EP/EK Civic Type R/Integra Type R
SAAB Vigen
Renult Clio Sport RS (light weight special)


Unless your one of these people who thinks that a 1/4 mile time is the be all and end all of a cars performance, then the SRT4 is possibly the worlds fastest closed minded production FWD car.

The SRT4 is a pretty wild car, especialy for a FWD production car, and its possible its the fastest in a straight line (especialy with on of the factory performance kits fitted), but the SAAB Vigen has more hp stock and the Lotus Elan or Type R Honda's will handle better.
That said both cost a lot more.
Given what it costs the SRT4 is a great bargin!

first the lotus elan s2 1991 -1996 only 500 imported to the US has a 1.6 liter dohc turbo charged 160 hp engine

second if you are talking about the clio sport v6 rs phase 1 2001-2002 only does 0-60 in 6.0 and tops out at 147 mph

third the saab viggen 0-60 in under 7 SECONDS and top speed of 155 mph

forth the slowest is the integra type with 14.8 quater mile 0-60 in 6.2 and top speed of 138 mph this one doesnt even come Close. so i don't were you got your info but check twice and come back with some more cars please cause i had a good time looking up stats

oh ya and i couldn't find any stats on the elan s2 sorry but it sounded pretty slow anyway

Okay, we're not disputing that the SRT-4 has the best 0-60 and quarter mile times, but there's more to performance than that. Don't get me wrong, the SRT-4 is a very good handling car, but not as good as a Lotus.

acceleration wise it is probably the fastest fwd car ever. handling wise stock for stock there are cars with superior handling, integra type r as mentioned or mazdaspeed protege.

Now if you get into modifications you'll end up in endless debates.

i dont consider the SRT4 that special because it comes turbocharged. Engine wise, its nothing special. Almost any 4 cylinder car can be that fast if you drop a turbo in it. Turbos are like steroids for a car ( just like superchargers), but hey, dont get me wrong, i love turbos :) ... As for the lotus, It has a better engine. Put it at the srt4's level by adding a small turbo and then you can compare. Lets admit it, Turbos give some cars a big advantage.

I thought the lotus elan was already turbocharged, but maybe im mistaken.

i dont consider the SRT4 that special because it comes turbocharged. Engine wise, its nothing special. Almost any 4 cylinder car can be that fast if you drop a turbo in it. Turbos are like steroids for a car ( just like superchargers), but hey, dont get me wrong, i love turbos :) ... As for the lotus, It has a better engine. Put it at the srt4's level by adding a small turbo and then you can compare. Lets admit it, Turbos give some cars a big advantage.


See this is what i never understand, how are turbos cheating. Is someone holding a gun to the other manufacturers' heads to stop them from using turbos...NO.


The point of a sports car is to be as fast as posible by any means. The f40 is considered by many the best ferrari supercar of all times and it had twin turbos, does that make it any less special? it was the last Ferrari to be comisioned by Enzo himself.

Noble is twin turbo too, its using only a "lowly" duratec v6 and it can beat a GT3 and a stradale which have by far more exotic tech in them. Does using turbos to acheive that make the noble any less of a car?

See this is what i never understand, how are turbos cheating. Is someone holding a gun to the other manufacturers' heads to stop them from using turbos...NO.


The point of a sports car is to be as fast as posible by any means. The f40 is considered by many the best ferrari supercar of all times and it had twin turbos, does that make it any less special? it was the last Ferrari to be comisioned by Enzo himself.

Noble is twin turbo too, its using only a "lowly" duratec v6 and it can beat a GT3 and a stradale which have by far more exotic tech in them. Does using turbos to acheive that make the noble any less of a car?


well no one is telling anyone not to use a turbo, but ENGINE wise. The SRT4 isnt all that.

next question.

Chrysler wrote the book on small car turbocharging back in the 80's when they took another "lowly" economy car engine and hung a snail off the side of it.

Until recently, there wasn't an FF car alive that could measure up to the legend of the GLH-S Omni. Those Chrysler 2.2L SOHC fours are friggin' bulletproof with a bottom end that looks like it was lifted out of a WWII battleship. They're crude compared to the jeweler-quality valvetrains of comparable Japanese engines, but it's a lot like comparing a Luger to a Colt model 1911.

Yes, one is more highly developed, works better when everything is working right, and is lethal in the right hands. But the other works good even when something is working wrong, costs less to build, and is lethal in just about anyone's hands.

"Crude" Chrysler turbo fours = horsepower democracy. Power to the people! :bigthumb:

well no one is telling anyone not to use a turbo, but ENGINE wise. The SRT4 isnt all that.

next question.


how is a 2.4L engine capable of holding stock over 500 Hp not all that? Its rods are forged in one piece then snapped to create the rod bearing cap , iconel exaust valves, skilslope pistons (cast by Mahle) for better low rpm fuel mixture, full floating wrist pins

and the ECU is basically a next gen ODBIII absolutelly state of the art. It is model based, which means it constantly calculates the appropriate fuel and timing outputs instead of just looking them up on a table

How fast does an SRT4 reach 100 km/h?

I think it very well could be the fastest FF in a straight line ever, the only cars that could hold a candle to it's acceleration are the Peugeot 206 RC 180 (I've seen times for these in the mid-high 6's, despite the factory claim of 7.4 seconds), Integra Type R (low 6's) and the Alfa Romeo 147 GTA (6.9 seconds). How about the VQ35DE powered Nissan Altima's???


I could however, name a good few FWD cars that could out-corner an SRT4, isn't that the most mportant aspect of racing?

How fast does an SRT4 reach 100 km/h?

I think it very well could be the fastest FF in a straight line ever, the only cars that could hold a candle to it's acceleration are the Peugeot 206 RC 180 (I've seen times for these in the mid-high 6's, despite the factory claim of 7.4 seconds), Integra Type R (low 6's) and the Alfa Romeo 147 GTA (6.9 seconds). How about the VQ35DE powered Nissan Altima's???


I could however, name a good few FWD cars that could out-corner an SRT4, isn't that the most mportant aspect of racing?


Road and track has it at 5.6

and yes there a quite a few stock FWD cars that will beat in the corners, the srt4 is by no means a perfect car stock. its more of a rough diamond that can make further money for daimler chrysler with aftermarket factory upgrades. if the suspension would be perfect who would buy the stage 3 mopar coilovers;)

I have thought of one car that may just be able to challenge it, for the title of the fastest Factory FWD car- a Japanese market DC5 Integra Type R. If that doesn't out do it, then it is.

I have thought of one car that may just be able to challenge it, for the title of the fastest Factory FWD car- a Japanese market DC5 Integra Type R. If that doesn't out do it, then it is.



agreed

More fuel for the fire. 2003 SRT-4 stats according to fast-autos.net.

0-60 mph: 5.9 sec
0-100 mph: --.- sec
Quarter Mile: 14.2 sec @ 99.5 mph
Skidpad: .85g
Top Speed: 148 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 119 ft
Slalom Speed: 69.0 mph

And 2004.

0-60 mph: 5.3 sec
0-100 mph: 13.4 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.9 sec @ 103 mph
Skidpad: .86g
Top Speed: 153 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: --- ft
Slalom Speed: --.- mph

hey, how does the focus RS compare?
(torque steering and fidgety ride aside...)

I have thought of one car that may just be able to challenge it, for the title of the fastest Factory FWD car- a Japanese market DC5 Integra Type R. If that doesn't out do it, then it is.


the integra type r does 14.7 in the quater mile and 0-60 in 6.2 and the rsx type s has almost indentical numbers and also about the focus rs here are the specs http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/focus_rs.asp
0-60 in 6.4 sec.

The new Alfa Romeo 147 GTA is FWD and has 328hp. I don't see why it can't beat the srt-4. I don't know the exact 0-60 times, but on Top Gear it beat the STI around there track.

the integra type r does 14.7 in the quater mile and 0-60 in 6.2 and the rsx type s has almost indentical numbers and also about the focus rs here are the specs http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/focus_rs.asp
0-60 in 6.4 sec.

You are talking about the Acura integra type r, not the Honda integra(aka rsx) type r. Honda integra-R has 30 more horsepower.

i feel like coming into this comparison with something different. a Saturn ION Redline. yes, i thought it was goofy comparing a saturn against the srt-4, road&track did it. then i looked at the numbers. they test both cars on the same day, same track, same driver. the saturn might not be faster, but it is coming as close as all the other cars you guys have been mentioning.


0-60 - srt-4>5.9 red line>6.2
1/4 - srt-4>14.5 red line>14.8

never thought saturn could do it.

The new Alfa Romeo 147 GTA is FWD and has 328hp. I don't see why it can't beat the srt-4. I don't know the exact 0-60 times, but on Top Gear it beat the STI around there track.

OK, sorry guys, I just looked it up. It seems like the 147 I was talking about is the Autodelta Alfa 147 GTA. Don't know if this should count or not.

http://www.italiancar.com.au/pilot/art099.htm

it is not from the factory. it has been tuned, bored and stroked by autodelta. alfa did not make it that fast autodelta did

it is not from the factory. it has been tuned, bored and stroked by autodelta. alfa did not make it that fast autodelta did

It's built that way. They didn't put stuff on then take it somewhere and have them removed/upgraded. It said there costumer built vehicles with serial numbers. Same as the SRT-4 is built the way it is. Not upgraded parts from PVO. Those engineers made it that way. :2cents:

the integra type r does 14.7 in the quater mile and 0-60 in 6.2 and the rsx type s has almost indentical numbers and also about the focus rs here are the specs http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/focus_rs.asp
0-60 in 6.4 sec.
DC5 Integra= RSX

Japanese market version= RSX Type S + higher compression ratio, more power and better brakes.

JDM Integra = RSX
JDM Integra Type R = RSX Type S

Pretty simple IMO :P

JDM Integra = RSX
JDM Integra Type R = RSX Type S

Pretty simple IMO :P


Pretty much, although the Jap spec car is a little differnt.
It has differnt cams and ECU to get an extra 20hp, as well as bigger Brembo brakes.

The RSX Type S is more like the European and Asian Type R, same hp, same brakes etc

Funny how no one has mentioned FWD DSM Turbos, They take to mods like a fat kit does his cupcakes...

Except we're not talking about world's fastest modified FWD car (by the way, I think that a Saturn Ion took that record on the salt flats), we're talking about the FF's the factories give us, and there really isn't much that compares to the ballsy SRT-4.

it is not from the factory. it has been tuned, bored and stroked by autodelta. alfa did not make it that fast autodelta did

autodelta is to alfa romeo as steeda or saleen is to ford, it is a tunning house not a car manufacture they customize and tune cars they don't build them and sell them

I could however, name a good few FWD cars that could out-corner an SRT4, isn't that the most mportant aspect of racing

hey, don't spoil the kid's dream of the cheapest, fastest, fwd car.
he feels like he needs something boast about,
so let him have his 'top trumps' moment.

Well, it IS the fastest if all you do is street racing/drag racing. And it's cheap as hell, too.

...i guess.
maybe it's just cos we don't have much of a drag race culture here.
we like our races with corners and sweeping curves....
for that reason, even a car that is MARGINALLY slower like the integra type r, alfa GTV, or focus RS would run rings around it on a track.
hell, i bet even a mini cooper s will beat it round a decent race track...

I dunno, I think you're underestimating the SRT-4's handling. The car has been a dominant force in lower-level autocross/rally over the past couple of years, and the suspension on it has a lot of potential.

I believe a FWD Twin Turbo Stealth could take it

Closest match is the Acura TL 270 hp FWD car.

Actually, according to the sources I've found, the Acura RSX Type-S and the SRT-4 Neon tie on the skidpad at .86g's. Which is not inconsiderable for any FF car considering how much a fwd platform works against lateral grip.

The SRT-4 is a very competent cornering machine, even more so now that it wears BFGoodrich KDW2's instead of the old Michelins from the factory.

The SRT-4 has also proved itself king of FWD Rally cars in the SCCA Pro Rally, ending the stranglehold DSM's and Volkswagens had on that class.

New rules for next year in Speed World Challenge are allowing the entrance of carefully monitored forced induction, thus allowing the SRT-4 Neon to compete with it's many competitors on an even playing field. Mini Cooper S's, Audi A4's, Mazda's new AWD Turbo 6, LanEvos, and WRX's will all converge on the Speed World Challenge next year to take the fight to the existing Nissan Sentra SE-R, Acura TSX's, and BMW 325i's.

It's going to be a fun year.

I believe a FWD Twin Turbo Stealth could take it

Factory TT Stealths only came AWD.

Wonder if they did that for a reason? Why would anyone care if it is fwd or not? Fwd totally sucks when you have a ton of power.

I'm a little late, but to return to what Layla mentioned previously about the Omni GLH's, I have seen/read/heard about a turbo Omni using only OTC parts from Chrysler, no aftermarket parts, capable of flat 9's, and still handled great in cornering, and top end. It was the epitome of 'grocery getter'.

Also, I have seen footage/articles of a dodge caravan factory turbo 4 cylinder also capable of 10's. The video I saw was the minivan smoking a new Camaro that went 11's. Good stuff.

I have not seen an SRT-4 in person, but it seems that they are quite the car. My 5.0 prolly wouldn't have much of a chance.

Well, there's some pretty secret squirrel OTC parts that used to come out of Direct Connection (the former name of Mopar). For instance, before the woefully unreliable Lotus developed Twin Cam head that was used on the Daytona R/T's, Direct Connection actually developed a twin cam head that was most famously used on the PPG Interceptor concept car.

The Interceptor is most famous for appearing in the Charlie Sheen movie "The Wraith".

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/shelby/turbo_wraith_2.jpg

What about the VR4?

What about the VR4?
Stealth R/T TT/3000GT VR-4 = AWD

Stealth R/T TT/3000GT VR-4 = AWD

Then the regular 1996 2d coupe.

wasn't the regular one slow as hell?

No its ok but the srt is lighter but less hp still.

No its ok but the srt is lighter but less hp still.


the most powerful FWD 3000GT has only 220hp and that is flywheel, the srt4 has 230 to the wheels and its way lighter.


And to the remarks that the srt4 is a drag racer, that is false, it has very good suspension stock, has virtually no tq steer (its been given as an example for several car because of that), and that quaife just pulls it into the corners beatifully.

True the suspension will not be stock as fine tuned as that of a integra type r or EVO, but this is why you have factory suspension stages.

I thought it had 245 stock how much does the vr4 have?

SRT-4 = about 230 at the wheels
VR4 = I dunno, around 250 probably, but it's AWD, not FWD
FWD 3000GT/Stealth = about 180 at the wheels

Thanks but as far as ranking goes I will always think the srt-4 is in with the lancer evo 8 and the golf r32.

SOHC 3000GT has 164HP
DOHC has 222HP
VR4 has 325HP -cept 91-93s had 320HP
All stealths/3000GTs are FWD cept the RT/TT and the VR4.. but i thought there was one year that they made a TT steath with FWD

VR4 has 325HP -cept 91-93s had 320HP

Wrong - 91-93 has 300 HP and a 5-spd manual, 94-99 has 320 HP and a 6-spd manual

it has very good suspension stock, has virtually no tq steer.


Even the most powerful FWD Honda's have NO torque steer.
None at all.

I used to be able to dump the clutch at 8,000rpm with out my hands on the wheel, acclerate to about 60kph then flat shit into 2nd, and the car would track in a perfectly straight line.


While Im sure the SRT has awsome handling, better than at least 90% of the FWD cars on the road, I can garuntee there are other FWDs that are better.
The differnce of course is none of them have anything like the power the SRT does.
The cars that do have as much, or more hp are either setup more as luxury sports/touring cars, or have issues. For example the SAAB Vigen is regarded as a bit of handful, suffering from terriable torque steer.


I would love the opetunity to drive an SRT, the idea of putting that much power to the ground just through the front wheels sounds like a lot of fun, especialy if its set up with very hard rear suspension :D

While Im sure the SRT has awsome handling, better than at least 90% of the FWD cars on the road, I can garuntee there are other FWDs that are better.

Actually earlier in thgis thread I've mentioned already a few FWD cars that stock for stock have better suspension setups. Integra type R, Mazdaspeed Protege, SVT focus.

The srt4 does not come with a suspension system as finelly tuned as those cars, it comes just with an adequate one and its up to the owner to purchase or not the KW suspension stages custom made for mopar.


I would love the opetunity to drive an SRT, the idea of putting that much power to the ground just through the front wheels sounds like a lot of fun, especialy if its set up with very hard rear suspension :D

I've driven a few, quite hard and its an absolute blast. That front quaife torsen diff just bites into the corners. I just love that pull exiting the corner especially with such a powerful car, something that rwd purists will not experience.

I am seriously thinking about getting one sometimes, setting it up with the stage 3 suspension, which is fully adjustable and have fun with it.

Actually, there are a few FF sedans and coupes that put a bit more power down at the front wheels, and all of them come from The General.

Pontiac Bonneville SSEi
Cadillac STS (300hp Northstar!)
Pontiac Gran Prix GTP
2004 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (first year of the supercharger on the Chevy)
Buick Riviera
Oldmobile Aurora
Buick Regal GS

Except for the 4.0L DOHC V8's in the Caddy and the Aurora, the whole lot of those cars use GM's infamous Roots blown 3800series OHV V6.

yes but as moppie pointed out those are more luxury sport/touring cars and I don't think any of them can match the srt4 in acceleration

Theres always a saleen ford focus or the ford focus performance project tht was supposed to take onj the new gallardo :grinno: had 500 hp and did run better track time then the gallardo!