Ordering dsmlink some ?

All right i think i am finally gonna order the damn thing, on the order it has rev limiter and launch what am i suppose to do with those two things!?

put whatever rpm rev limiter you want... and for the launch i believe thats for s studder box, put down whatever rpm you like to launch at best!

I thought the website was pretty informative. What are you asking exactly?

Why are you spending the money on a DSMLink when your website mod list is pretty short. When you go to upgrade your injectors you are going to have to get a new chip. I'd at least look at getting new injectors at the same time so you can save a few dollars. Good choice on picking the DSMLink over the AFC. Knowing all the choices available for 2Gs right now, I'd never get an AFC and would pick the DSMLink or ECU+. I'd get the ECU+ if money was tight and you didn't have an EPROM ECU available.

well i want to see what my car looks like right now instead of slapping a bunch of other mods on then trying to tweak it all...just heard it was a good idea

Or should i put that money towards some injectors and turbo? For the EvoIII 16G , 550cc injectors should be efficient right?

It is a good idea to learn to tune before throwing on "big horsepower" parts. I am just trying to point out that you can save a few bucks by installing injectors and getting the DSMLink chipped for them at the same time. The larger injectors won't hurt anything right now since the DSMLink automatically compensates for them.

guess i will have to wait a lil longer, i see your reasoning, but to get the injectors and dsmlink at the same time argh, damn college tuition screws it all up

If you think it will be a few months before you next mod getting the DSMLink now and getting used to tuning with it wouldn't be a waste at all. I'd just hate to see someone spend money on a product and then have to upgrade it in a few weeks.

i gotcha, thanks...probably will just wait and find some 550cc on tuner or ebay or something then place the order for the dsmlink

i'm not telling u what to do, but getting the DSMlink will be deff going to be a nice upgrade, at any point of your cars upgrading. also i don't think your chip will be set for a sertain size injectors. thats the hole point ,you can run any size of them with the DSMlink. and not to mention all the other extras coming with it. for sure u will get a power increase imideatly. again i might be wrong, but if i had an EPROM ECU in my 95 GST(with my luck i didn't) i would deffenetly buy it right away. i think that DSMlink is a must with these vehicles... my 0.02$... i mean you simply can only gain once u have it, no mather what...

i recently have been thinking the same thing. Theres a guy in town who's got a 98 gst with a couple of bolt ons and an aem ems and he swears by it. Now ive seen his dyno print outs and there incredible 300+ to the wheels. I have decided an ems would be my next mod. The injectors id probably wait on till i pick up my t/kit

The AEM EMS is the best out there hands down. Most people wouldn't be able to handle having complete control of their engine like that. It takes a very good understanding of how everything interacts together to pull off tuning with an AEM EMS. That's what great about DSMLink, it gives you a powerful tool to tune with, but still leaves you room for safety. Most of the low throttle maps remain the same since one of the main features is having your injector size built into the ECU's own coding.

ECU+ has injector size selection in it's programing.

- What happens when the battery is disconnected from the car?

When you order DSMLink, we'll ask which injectors you have. We then burn a chip with default settings for those injectors. So yes, if you loose power to the ECU, DSMLink will still function properly. It won't "forget" anything necessary to run your engine. The things lost will include the adjustments you made to the stock timing and WOT fuel tables. The stock values are still there. You'll simply revert back to those values when the ECU powers back up.

http://www.dsmlink.com/faq.html

so then you would have to send it back to get it reprogrammed once you got larger injectors?

Either send the chip back or just buy another chip. I'm sure it's a lot like the upgrade for V1 owners. Pay $50 and get a new chip sent to you.

I bet they will probably do a core swap, since they could most likely resell the chip if you sent it back to them.

Rev limiter is pretty simple. I would keep it around 7500 considering you won't be shifting that high on a stock turbo, and it will still do nicely until you are running very fast.

Launch is stutterbox RPM, and Kevin could tell you a lot better, but 4500-5500 seems about where people like it.

As for injectors, you can probably tune for your injectors no matter what the preset is, but if your lost power, if dsmlink was reset to the wrong injectors you might not be able to start the car.

Fred95gsx, please please try not pass on misinformation about a product you clearly have no experience with. Its ok to not know about a certain product and its features, but to post misinformation just confuses the hundreds of poeple that see these threads :) To clear up the missundertanding, you can run any injector with DSMlink, you never have to get another chip or send it back, except when they do large upgrades, like the V2 release.

The defaults you choose, just like Wagon said, are what the ECU will default to when it loses power. Mine defaults are all wrong, but I just reset them with the laptop when I disconnect the battery for whatever reason. Its not like you can screw this part up, its just a convenience feature.

I would suggest getting large injectors, FICs work great, since DSMlink will allow you to run large injectors like stock. I run 950s. Dont make the mistke I made and upgrade one size at a time every 6 months (I bought 550s, 660s, 650s, 750s, 820s, 850s, and 950s), get something that you think is the biggest you'll ever need and be done with it. Set the DSMlink default to that size. I wouldnt go smaller than 850, for what its worth. For the other defaults, set launch to 5500 for AWD, its what most people end up with, revlimit to whatever you want, most poeple go with stocl 7500. Stock idle rpm is 750. Set cas to inverted only if you have a 6 bolt swap or are using a 1g CAS. I think there are other defaults, but they should be trivial.

TO talk about the other part of the question, I HIGHLY RECOMEND DSMlink as a first mod, if the person is willing to do it. EVeryone should make a datalogger one of thier early mods, if not first. You will learn more from logging for a few weeks than you will learn from years of reading these forums ;) I would also recomend DSMlink for everyone up to 600-700 whp. Over that, the AEM may be worth the effort. I personally dont care much for companies that use thier customers as beta testers without them knowing it, but thats as far as I will go on that sensitive subject. There is no one on this forum (that posts at least) that is anywhere near needing a full standalone... :)

There is no one on this forum (that posts at least) that is anywhere near needing a full standalone...

with all my stickers and neon lights... hell if i'm not!!!


good info kev~ i should get DSMlink but that time will come as soon as i get my spyder! :biggrin:

Rev limiter is pretty simple. I would keep it around 7500 considering you won't be shifting that high on a stock turbo, and it will still do nicely until you are running very fast.

Launch is stutterbox RPM, and Kevin could tell you a lot better, but 4500-5500 seems about where people like it.

As for injectors, you can probably tune for your injectors no matter what the preset is, but if your lost power, if dsmlink was reset to the wrong injectors you might not be able to start the car.

I've have been researching via the web DSMLink for a little while since I'm very close to ordering it. I would have ordered it on Friday, but found out my 95 doesn't have an EPROM ECU. As you can clearly see in my posts my "misinformation" comes from not only from the DSMLink website, but Extreme's website also. I did not lie in my post, you can get your chip set for your injector size. I did not know there was an injector size option in the actual DSMLink software since I did not see it listed anywhere. Thanks for clearing it up for me and the "hundreds" of other people who have read this post. Wait, that's misinformation. There are only 127 views so far and I know I was easily 27 of them. ;)

Once I find an EPROM ECU, DSMLink is all mine.

Wait, that's misinformation. There are only 127 views so far and I know I was easily 27 of them. ;)


your wrong newbie! :loser: once you click the on the thread it counts as one view! no matter how many times you have clicked it, it only counts as one! there ya go with misinformation again!!! :nono: read kevins (95 GSXracer) sig... i suggest you follow it! although you seem to have already removed all doubt. :lol2:


have a nice day :p

~EclipseRST

Fuel control is a HUGE part of what DSMlink does... You can see from this screen shot that there is enough room for everything from stock to at least 1000cc injectors:

http://www.dsmlink.com/details-fuel.html

More info in the user manuals available to anyone in the "Downloads" section. From the main page:

DSMLink includes fuel and ignition timing adjustments in the factory ECU. You retain all the driveability of the factory-calibrated fuel and timing maps during cruise operation, but gain full control over things at wide open throttle. You simply specify RPM-based adjustments and DSMLink automatically creates the 3-dimensional mapping used internally by the ECU. It's a very easy, yet very powerful way to tune your car's performance at the track.

Here is what you get when you click on "Chip Defaults (whats this)"

Chip Defaults

Chip defaults are the values your ECU will use when the ECU is first powered up after loosing battery power. If your battery dies or you remove it, for example, the ECU has to return to some defined stated when it's first powered up. The primary purpose of chip defaults is to ensure your car will run reliably in case of unexpected battery power loss. Of course, once the ECU has been powered up, you can always change the values used by the ECU with the DSMLink client software running on your laptop. You just can't change the default values. They are hardcoded in the EPROM itself.


That pretty much sums it up.

The extreme website doesnt really say that it will only be good for the injectors size you buy for, but they arent very clear on it. They do say that you get +- 30% WOT control though, and leave out that you get -60% global adjustment range ;) They do hint at it though. You can see it on the screenshot I posted at the top of course. They really should clarify a bit.

Anyway, my point isnt to blame you or say you dont know what are talking about. Just be careful what you are passing off like its written in stone. People were starting to think they had to do injectors at the same time to avoid having to upgrade the chip again :) If you arent sure about something you post, just add some disclaimers in there, thats all :D Dont take it personal, no offense intended.

ANother note... I ordered my V2 chip upgrade when I had 660s, so my default injector setting is for 660s. So with my 950s, I run extremely rich when it resets. Definitely no WOT or full boost action. I could limp it home though. And thats the real point of the default settings. Just to get you home if you dont keep the laptop in the car. So if i lose battery power I hook up the laptop and restore my settings that accurately reflect the fuel setup specific to my car. IF YOU WANT, the DSMlink boys will burn you another chip with appropriate default settings, which may be important to you, for a nominal fee. I think it was less than 20 bucks. Just shoot them a PM on the DSMlink forums (THE best forum I subrsribe to, absolute shitloads of info and intelligent DSMers there, almost worth the price tag of DSMlink just for that :lol:). I personally couldnt be bothered with what the defaults are set at. People should be taking advantage of the power of DSMlink and making global, deadtime, and WOT slider adjustments specifc to thier setups, not relying on the default settings. Which is something I see a lot of lately. :)

That's why I wish you could at least view the DSMLink forum without buying the product first. I really like to search for information before buying a product and those types of forums are the best place to get specific questions answered. I know all of the questions I have are already answered in that forum. :)

Hopefully I will be a part of that forum by the end of next week. :)

I dont like to make this public knowledge, because everyone will be trying to do it. But if you are SERIOUSLY think about getting dsmlink, as you seem to be, email tom dorris (should be a contact email addy on the site) and he may let you join the forum first. Its usually best not to post until you have it (the whole point of a closed forum is so there arent 10,000 newbie questions), but there is enough reading material to last you months :D You guys think I write novels here... And there are many many people there that are far more experienced than I am. Great resource. Get with tom, he may let you in. I can garantee after you peruse the forums and see how powerful dSMlink really is, and how well Tom and Dave support it (and how incredibly knowledgable they are) you'll be getting it for sure, at any cost :D Good luck.

:thumbsup: Thanks Kevin.