Jews and Native Americans

I was thinking the other night about how, when the white settelers came to north america and created canada and the u.s. how they virtually just took over another mans country, killed his entire Race almost off. And set up shop. To follow me just think of the Native americans and north america as a country. Then see an invading force of multiply other countries comeing in and just starting to live in the u.s. and telling the americans that this is the new world since to them its new to them, and that they deserve to live here. now what do u think what do u think would happen? War. But what if the race coming in was hundreds of years more technologically advanced then us? like we were to the Native americans. And they brought with them diseases and viruses that they themselves are amun(sp) to. Millions of americans and canadians die off within days. And the new "Settelers" put the rest of the americans and canadians in "relocation towns" where they later have a tiny little scrap of crap earth to live on...

of course this would be okay since we did it to the Natives right? And the new colonys deserve to be here to right? i mean who can really own land? or a planet?

Now this also reminds me of ww2 and how we thought that the germans invading another mans land and killing off his entire race to the very brink of destruction was bad right? hmmm sounds hypocritacal(sp)

What would happen if the nation of africa all of a sudden had some huge leap on us from some secrect source and some of them wanted to live in england or australia, and they rolled up with some nice new technology wipe out a few million aussies and say" Hey all fair right, this place is new to me, and i want to colonize it" and they did?


but of course all that would be okay with everyone right, i mean the world let it happen before.why not let it happen again, but this time your country will become "The New World"

peace

Interesing topic you've chosen for discussion. There are many things that people of European decent have to be ashamed of, most of the large wars and colonization that you talk about DID originate from Europe after all.

There's just a few things i'd like to add my :2cents: to:

What would happen if the nation of africa all of a sudden had some huge leap on us from some secrect source and some of them wanted to live in england or australia, and they rolled up with some nice new technology wipe out a few million aussies and say" Hey all fair right, this place is new to me, and i want to colonize it" and they did?

You point is well taken. But considering how 'colonized' Australia is and their part in the UN, if Africa wiped them out, the UN would diplomatically tell them to get out or else, and probably end up creating WWIII in the process.

Now this also reminds me of ww2 and how we thought that the germans invading another mans land and killing off his entire race to the very brink of destruction was bad right? hmmm sounds hypocritacal(sp)

By the time Hitler went forth none of the people that truly 'colonized' North America (killed Native Americans by your infered definition) were alive anymore, so it's only technically a hypocritical reaction.

Just a few observations. Anyone else?

What would happen if the nation of africa all of a sudden had some huge leap on us from some secrect source and some of them wanted to live in england or australia, and they rolled up with some nice new technology wipe out a few million aussies and say" Hey all fair right, this place is new to me, and i want to colonize it" and they did?

actually africa is a continent

^ :lol: i missed that when i was reading, thanks!!

ya gotta very good point and so happens to be something i think about alot.
almost as if aliens came over here and wiped out there nation. people they had never seen or known about and a advanced bieng comes over and kills them off.
i am not a friend of this world!

i didnt mean to make it a guilt trip or anything, i just think its fuked up. I think we should do it to the whole middle east lol that would get rid of that terrist problem lol, gas would be cheaper too. j/k

Bah, I'm somewhat going against what everyone else is saying. Because if you lived where I live the Indians around here aren't worth shit, I mean hey there are some nice people that I know are Indian but the majority of them are pompous asses that don't work and just live off nothing and thats their lifestyle and to top it off they keep flaunting it, like a nice new Silverado loaded right to the nuts sporting a front license plate that says "No Tax" that my TAX dollars went to pay for. Or the amount of money these people make off drugs(not all of them but a massive fuckin' majority) then they have the nerve to complain about what someone's ancestors did over 250-300 years ago. FUCK OFF. CRY ME A RIVER, BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET THEN FUCK OVER IT.

no one said they were crying the point of the thread is to see how u would like it if someone did it to u.

no one said they were crying the point of the thread is to see how u would like it if someone did it to u.

I agree.

Bah, I'm somewhat going against what everyone else is saying. Because if you lived where I live the Indians around here aren't worth shit, I mean hey there are some nice people that I know are Indian but the majority of them are pompous asses that don't work and just live off nothing and thats their lifestyle and to top it off they keep flaunting it, like a nice new Silverado loaded right to the nuts sporting a front license plate that says "No Tax" that my TAX dollars went to pay for. Or the amount of money these people make off drugs(not all of them but a massive fuckin' majority) then they have the nerve to complain about what someone's ancestors did over 250-300 years ago. FUCK OFF. CRY ME A RIVER, BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET THEN FUCK OVER IT.

Note the quote i posted before yours Amish_kid. They are getting these benefits because of how they were treated. Their land and many of their own tribal nations were wiped out because of the greed of the Europeans.

Think because of what was destroyed, it's only right that the future generations get compensation for the generations that were lost. It frustrates me for the same reasons it frustrates you, but the purpose is justified.

And the new "Settelers" put the rest of the americans and canadians in "relocation towns" where they later have a tiny little scrap of crap earth to live on...

At least we would get to build casinos and make lots of money, and not pay any tax.

I Their land and many of their own tribal nations were wiped out because of the greed of the Europeans.
Think back to colubus's day and when the spanish invaded what is now latin american. Most of the millions of deaths caused by cortez and the northern settelers were caused by disease.

I'm not sure where Jews fit into this.

I'm not sure where Jews fit into this.

Good point... i forgot about that!

I look at it as in the past, therefore that is where I will leave it.

no one said they were crying the point of the thread is to see how u would like it if someone did it to u.


No the point of the thread was to see how long a sentance you could make with out useing any punctuation!

Put a few full stops and comas in your opening post and it might make enough sense that people will be able to see your point.

Haha. Point. Full stop.

Haha. Nice one.

This is an interesting thread, and a fine example of revisionist history, that is, applying our modern standards of morals, law and human rights to historical events.

Those decades of colonization occured in a world where mass slavery was legal even in many 'civilized' nations, women were not people under that law, and the judicial system would imprison /execute people for relatively minor offences. There was no such thing as human rights or international law as we know it at all. Therefore, at the time, Eurpoeans felt they were perfectly justified to subjigate another civilization.

Also, record suggest that the native americans at the time did not have a sense of land ownership, nor a concept of 'nation' as the Eurpoeans understand it. I suspect this made it easier for the Europeans to invade, although the results would have been the same, regardless.

I am not saying what they did was right, but to them, it seemed right at the time, for understandable reasons.

Now, I would like to know where the Jews fit in?

I will venture this topic: The Jews, with United Nations consent, in 1949, did the same thing to the Palestinians with the creation of the state of Israel, as the European settlers dod to the native Americans - displaced them from their homeland they have had for thousands of years.

This is not necessarily my opinion, but is exactly how millions of Palestinians feel, and is a justifiable viewpoint.

Now, I would like to know where the Jews fit in?

I will venture this topic: The Jews, with United Nations consent, in 1949, did the same thing to the Palestinians with the creation of the state of Israel, as the European settlers dod to the native Americans - displaced them from their homeland they have had for thousands of years.



I was refering to how The nazi's were wiping out an entire people, almost the same as we wiped out the natives here. Only we did pretty much wip them out, and Hitler didnt finish. And how we saw this was wrong. But when we did it to the natives, i guess it was more like " Tough Shit". Maybe it was just because of the color of their skin.

I was refering to how The nazi's were wiping out an entire people, almost the same as we wiped out the natives here. Only we did pretty much wip them out, and Hitler didnt finish. And how we saw this was wrong. But when we did it to the natives, i guess it was more like " Tough Shit". Maybe it was just because of the color of their skin.
I can see how its similar, but the reasoning was different.

The Europeans did what they did for economic reasons (they wanted the land and resources) and political reasons (if we don't colonise it, the other Europeans, (Spanish, French, English, Portuguese, Dutch etc) will.

The native Americans just happened to be in the way. They were not a concern, and were often recruited to further the Europeans goals, either through slavery (Spanish in South America) of through trading (especially the fur trade in North America.)

Hitler specifically targeted a race/culture for genocide for sociological and political reasons. Their removal from the face of the earth ws his 'final solution' (to use his words)