There Are Too Many Of Them!!!

Yes, there are far too many modified Japanese sports cars on the road that can beat most exotic Euro cars. On the cover of DSport they have a slightly modified Mitsubishi EVO that can do 9s! A Lamborghini can't even do 9s! A Ferrari 360 can't even do 9's! These exotic Euro Cars can't even do 9's with top modifications! I use to be a big fan of Euro exotics, but now the performance gap has narrowed WAY too much between them, and sub 30k modofied Japanese sports cars. I'm sorry, but I just can't justify paying up a couple of hundred grand on a sports car, only to get beat by little Tommy from high school in his souped up CRX! The land of the rising sun has won!

Yes, there are far too many modified Japanese sports cars on the road that can beat most exotic Euro cars. On the cover of DSport they have a slightly modified Mitsubishi EVO that can do 9s! A Lamborghini can't even do 9s! A Ferrari 360 can't even do 9's! These exotic Euro Cars can't even do 9's with top modifications! I use to be a big fan of Euro exotics, but now the performance gap has narrowed WAY too much between them, and sub 30k modofied Japanese sports cars. I'm sorry, but I just can't justify paying up a couple of hundred grand on a sports car, only to get beat by little Tommy from high school in his souped up CRX! The land of the rising sun has won!


That 9 sec evo is not slightly modified unless it made one 9 sec run and went boom.

and those modified cars that do 9 are heavily set up (suspension-wise) for drag racing and become worthless for track racing.

And I'm sorry to break your bubble but there is no production car in jappan to touch the likes of Mclaren F1, enzo, carrerra GT

Most of owning an European exotic is the nostalgia of it. I can gararuntee you that you will get more girls with that ferrari or lamborghini then a 9 second evo. Even though that evo can run the quarter in 9 seconds, to get to that point its so purpose built that it wouldnt be practical as an exotic (considering how practical an exotic is, thats saying something). And just to be fair its not just japanese sports cars that are goin that fast with little mods, american and other cheaper european cars are just as capable of those times.

Most of owning an European exotic is the nostalgia of it. I can gararuntee you that you will get more girls with that ferrari or lamborghini then a 9 second evo. Even though that evo can run the quarter in 9 seconds, to get to that point its so purpose built that it wouldnt be practical as an exotic (considering how practical an exotic is, thats saying something). And just to be fair its not just japanese sports cars that are goin that fast with little mods, american and other cheaper european cars are just as capable of those times.


I hear the both of you...it just seems like back in the 1980s, a super exotic was a super exotic, performance wise. Now you have to buy the likes of a McLaren, or Enzo, to stay "super exotic" in the performance department. My, things have changed.

ok let's see... there are so many sides to this argument...

- 1: dollar for dollar, jap cars win hands down. i am not saying euro supercars arent worth their money, they damn well are. but you cannot deny the value that jap cars offer, also with the cheap bolt on performance that can boost power very quickly very cheaply.

- 2: u could never make a jap car handle like a euro supercar. u can not make a NSX handle like a 360 modena. u can not make a R34 GTR handle like a porsche turbo. And im not saying NSX and GTR arent good cars, theyre GREAT cars, i love them and they are some of my favourite cars, but u cant change the fact that money aside, european sports/super cars are superior.

- 3: I know this always comes up, but driver skill counts for SO much. where i live we have many driver training courses and events at our many racetracks... but theres a special one where u have to be invited, and its only for drivers of exotic-ish cars.... a few ferraris turned up, mainly 360's. the format was that they would do a few laps, while being coached, then the instructor does a hot lap or 2 to show them how its done. so the owners of the 360s were taking the first corner at about 150km/h (~95 mph), then the instructor jumps in, (they are usually ex-racers) and takes the first corner at 190km/h (~120mph). so the difference is huge.

- 4: I can never stress this enough but... i know this is my opinion, but i am sick to death of people only thinking about cars in numbers... especially 1/4 mile times or, ughhh, skidpan readings.... i think what it should be most about is how it feels to drive, how much fun u have, and about improving urself, finding those extra tenths in lap times, seeing how much faster u can turn into a corner and hold onto it, seeing if u can quicken ur shifts and make them smoother and learn more precise throttle control. that just my opinion tho.... and u all have every right to disagree with it and....

- 5: is there that much point comparing jap and euro? not only has it been done COUNTLESS times before.... its like comparing an apple and an orange. different philosophies. Japan: 206kw official power limit, practicality, value.... European: take an umlimited resources approach... carbon fibre, titanium, magnesium, breakthrough technologies etc... make cars that blow everything else away and everyone wants but no-one can afford... (there is always exceptions of course)

ok thats just my 2c :2cents: ... well more like $2 but anyways thanks for listening

I have no use for anything that isn't powered by a V8 from Detroit.

Buy and exotic such as a (what my uncle has) a 2004 360 Modena F1 convertable and you will understand, once my mom bought her mercedes S600 back in 96' it was rare to have one at that time and still is in a way since they cost about $120K+ today you see alot of S 500' but no that many S 600's, By the way that is not the only car he's got, he has a car collection in D.C where he lives and that's exclusivity.

one thing to note, those Evos may be 12 secs street cars with slight mods, enough to match some ferrari or lambo 1/4 times; but they certainly won't handle like exotics, even with AWD and slip-differential.

I have no use for anything that isn't powered by a V8 from Detroit.

this guy needs an award for this post.

anyways, i can't stand it when people laugh at exotics because a japanese car can outrace it. an exotic isn't ALL about speed, it has the looks and the prestige of it. what would you like, "i have a mitsubishi", or "i have a ferrari". they are built for different purposes so you can't really compare them.

I like to think of it this way, you spend $3000 on your $30,000-ish Evo and you go quite a bit faster

You spend $16,000 to give your $160,000 Exotic (Porsche being the exception, as they are somewhat easier and cheaper to modiy) to get the same gain in speed as the Evo driver- you spent 10% of the cars value for both to get the same gain in speed.

I fail to see where the problem lies.

I like to think of it this way, you spend $3000 on your $30,000-ish Evo and you go quite a bit faster

You spend $16,000 to give your $160,000 Exotic (Porsche being the exception, as they are somewhat easier and cheaper to modiy) to get the same gain in speed as the Evo driver- you spent 10% of the cars value for both to get the same gain in speed.

I fail to see where the problem lies.

If money is no object, then what you say makes sense. And I disagree about the price modification examples you gave. Modifying a Ferrari cost significantly more then modifying an EVO (go to www.koenig-specials.com) and see for yourself.

As for the "European cars handle better" argument, I understand that. The only problem is, most street racing is in a straight line. I guess the bottom line is that if you buy a EuroExotic then you are paying for craftsmanship, handling, and status. There is no right or wrong here, but I just find the performance differences to be too negligible to justify the whopping price difference. Personally, I could get more tail by putting that extra money into real estate. Oh well, to each his own!

euro exotics are much better in not just handleing but looks. seeing a riced out evo looks like trash. half the mods look poorly done and are tacky in my opinion where as euros look great stock. not to mention they sound amazing, drive amazing and the name gives you bragging rights and more pride. trust me when u park ur euro car nest to a tuned up jap car, ppl will notice the euro and love that and just ignore the jap car. plus...nothings more annoying then hearing a tinny buzzing noise coming from the tail pipe of some crappy modified 4 banger ricer. i dont care how fast it can go, its worthless. and im sure the ricers will go thru more engines by getting put thru that then the euro, cause it has cheap engineering cause those cars r designed for fuel efficency and reliability while being stock, its an imported family car. not a race car

the thing that i ate about these JAPCRAPS is that if you were to get a pure muscle car vercing a JAPCRAP the muscle car will be about 50 meters ahead of the JAPCRAP with all the turbo lag. and when the turbo dose kick in the top speed of it just wont compare to pure muscle.

the thing that i ate about these JAPCRAPS is that if you were to get a pure muscle car vercing a JAPCRAP the muscle car will be about 50 meters ahead of the JAPCRAP with all the turbo lag. and when the turbo dose kick in the top speed of it just wont compare to pure muscle.

you're ignorant. you wanna say that same shit about Sti and Evo?

the thing that i ate about these JAPCRAPS is that if you were to get a pure muscle car vercing a JAPCRAP the muscle car will be about 50 meters ahead of the JAPCRAP with all the turbo lag. and when the turbo dose kick in the top speed of it just wont compare to pure muscle.

this guys profile: occupation - mechanicle engineer.... you can't even spell mechanical and you expect me to believe you are a mechanical engineer? And i know an engineer wouldn't say as something stupid and uneducated as that ^. For one thing, not all japanese cars are turbocharged, there are cars like GT-R's that can run stock 12s (with TURBO LAG) and take corners as well (amazing isnt it) and for another thing this muscle vs import shit is SO OLD like get over it. seriously.

this guys profile: occupation - mechanicle engineer.... you can't even spell mechanical and you expect me to believe you are a mechanical engineer? And i know an engineer wouldn't say as something stupid and uneducated as that ^. For one thing, not all japanese cars are turbocharged, there are cars like GT-R's that can run stock 12s (with TURBO LAG) and take corners as well (amazing isnt it) and for another thing this muscle vs import shit is SO OLD like get over it. seriously.

OK you got me i am no a mechanical engineer i am a Student Studding mechanical engineer.

you wanna say that same shit about Sti and Evo?

And you i do say the same thing to therse cars. All me mates call me an idiot for not likeing these cars but the main reason that I don’t like them is that Some people try to-do them up and they look abosolutly-shocking afterwards. But I do congratulate the people who actually pull it off looking like a great car.

And you i do say the same thing to therse cars. All me mates call me an idiot for not likeing these cars but the main reason that I don’t like them is that Some people try to-do them up and they look abosolutly-shocking afterwards. But I do congratulate the people who actually pull it off looking like a great car.

huh? pull off what? I didn't quite understand.

extreem ATV, i dont believe a word u say, and i dont think anyone else does either

extreem ATV, i dont believe a word u say, and i dont think anyone else does either

Sorry for not making any sence, i have just failed a mojor exam and i am not thinking straight.

i will re-write what i have posted

Yes i do say the same things about Sti and Evos. All my mates call me an idiot for not likeing these cars but the main reason that I don’t like them is that when some people try customize them up they end up abosolutly-shocking. But I do congratulate the people who actually do customize there car to look ilke a real racer.

HAPPY

now back to the topic in question...

the way that i see all these Japanese cars are that thay are all Arnold Schwarzenegger's (cracked up on steroide) no wonder you find so many wraped around a pole (too much HP that the engine can handle)
what i would like to see is a nicely supercharged enging with a smallish (emphasizing on the word small) turbo. Fiinished off with a nice paint job that wont go out in fashion in 1 year.

Sorry for not making any sence, i have just failed a mojor exam and i am not thinking straight.


Yea you should consider changing your major.

maby but i really like what i am doing

Yeah...maybe you should try an English major instead?.................I know this was a useless post. but everyone is entitled to JUST ONE, aren't they?

Yeah...maybe you should try an English major instead?.................I know this was a useless post. but everyone is entitled to JUST ONE, aren't they?

no you arent















you are entitled to many, and whats up with alot of the american car hating now? they get no respect anymore its rx-7 this supra that. give credit where credit is due guys. it seems alot of what i have been hearing lately is o WHEN i do this to my car i will smoke you. every continent has their cars good and bad.

I can gararuntee you that you will get more girls with that ferrari or lamborghini then a 9 second evo. .

Anyone who picks a Ferrari over an Evo ONLY to get girls has a problem.

eurosportscarfan, trust me when I say this, anyone with an 11 second sub $20,000 import would rather have a 13 second Ferrari. Sometimes, it's not about speed ;)

Anyone can have a vehicle that does 11s, but not everyone can have a Ferrari, and that's why its is more desirable.

the thing that i ate about these JAPCRAPS is that if you were to get a pure muscle car vercing a JAPCRAP the muscle car will be about 50 meters ahead of the JAPCRAP with all the turbo lag. and when the turbo dose kick in the top speed of it just wont compare to pure muscle.


Most fast import racers use pertty big turbos that 'lag' below 4K-5K, but during a drag race, they usually launch at 5K or even 7K and they are already in full boost and do not have any lag problems.

Turbo lag is overrated, who cares if it lags up until 4K? If you're doing a drag race, you're not ver concerned about turbo lag because you launch at an RPM that beyon turbo lag already. There are pepole who launch thier evos at 1K before redline, you're telling me thay have lag problems?

what i would like to see is a nicely supercharged enging with a smallish (emphasizing on the word small) turbo. Fiinished off with a nice paint job that wont go out in fashion in 1 year.


Most people don't even go through the trouble of putting both a supercharger and a turbo because of the extensive tuning involved. most just go turbo because they don't worry about poer under 5K RPM, ever heard of 'vtec killer cams' (for drag racing) that cancel out the small lobes on a vtec Honda engine?

[QUOTE= A Lamborghini can't even do 9s! A Ferrari 360 can't even do 9's! QUOTE]

Woah dude, it sure as hell can, the VTTT Roadster, twin turbo lambo engine, runs low 10's from factory, im sure minor mod's would put it in 9's, and no EVO or $30k car run's 9's w/ "minor mods" (i just read first page and responded idk if anyone one else addressed this.)

And if you want to see a "Super car that is a super car" check out my thread about the bugatti, nothing compares.

Yes, there are far too many modified Japanese sports cars on the road that can beat most exotic Euro cars

What are you calling jap sports cars? Evo, STis, S2000s, etc are not sports cars.

I'm sorry, HOW many street-driven, 9 second japanese tuner cars can be found on the road daily? and driven by a 16-18 year old male?

The tuner scene is exactly like the musclecar scene always has been- maybe even worse because of the younger ages involved- full of legend, lore, and bench-racing B.S.

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen- I am saying that it does not happen often (or for very long at a time without a serious amount of funding). Nitrous and excessive boost make stock japanese motor go boom!

Yeah I agree. A 9 second civic for example, would take major amounts of cash to make. The stock engines range from 1.3 to 1.7, which is simply not enought displacement to get 9 second runs. Sure you raise the compression, using turbos and nos, but I doubt you could realistically get it that fast with the stock engine. Nos is not magic. It won't turn a 18 second civic into a 9 sec dragster.

Which would mean a engine swap, transmission, and all the other mods. I really don't think some kid could afford that, and if he could, he would probobly go for a mercedes amg or something similar.

theres a few things I wanted to touch on.. about spending your few hundred thousand on some real estate to get some tail... dude, thats you.. the guys who can afford those cars dont need a bigger house, they have butlers in all 3 of their homes already... believe that. Also, they have the money to own and mod any of your 5 favorite jap cars, but they would rather have one ferrari. Money talks, you should listen. Big deal if you have an evo that runs 9s... Congrats on a job well done, nice mitsubishi.. I'll be leaving in my Ferrari 360 Modena now.

I just want to say this, you give me 7 grand to dump in a nova, I'll give you 7 grand to dump in ur shit box japshit... wonder which car will be faster? Muscle cars are the past present and future of all performance extreams

Yes, there are far too many modified Japanese sports cars on the road that can beat most exotic Euro cars. On the cover of DSport they have a slightly modified Mitsubishi EVO that can do 9s! A Lamborghini can't even do 9s! A Ferrari 360 can't even do 9's! These exotic Euro Cars can't even do 9's with top modifications! I use to be a big fan of Euro exotics, but now the performance gap has narrowed WAY too much between them, and sub 30k modofied Japanese sports cars. I'm sorry, but I just can't justify paying up a couple of hundred grand on a sports car, only to get beat by little Tommy from high school in his souped up CRX! The land of the rising sun has won!

Jesus Christ. :loser:

I just want to say this, you give me 7 grand to dump in a nova, I'll give you 7 grand to dump in ur shit box japshit... wonder which car will be faster? Muscle cars are the past present and future of all performance extreams
$7000 in a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II or a 1st or 2nd Generation Eclipse GSX would be enough to beat a Nova with similar amounts invested in it around a road course, if it doesn't work at the strip.

Same with many other cars, such as the Nissan Pulsar GTi-R and R32 GTR and the Mazda RX7 FC/FD3S.


Please try to be a little more open minded about the potential of some of Japans finest.

Wow people. You can do a lot with any car and 7k if you know what you are doing. Quit bench racing. It is not simple or easy to run 9's in any car. Any car that runs 9's has had a lot of hard work put into it and has my respect. What do you run in your cars? Not 9's, so you don't know what it takes to get there. Until then, STFU.