why go sr20? or stick with the ka24?

OK now alot of people are fooled by the big bad sr20 motor. The KA24 is a very capable powerplant. Parts are coming out for it and note that the ka24 is bigger. Turbonetics makes a turbo for the ka24 that will bring the ka24 to enourmous amounts of power. For those in california yall might have to stick with the greddy turbo because it is SMOG LEGAL:). if you are struggling for KA24 parts go to the jim wolf technologies website and there are tons of parts for the KA24. You can also go to www.axronline.com and those KA24 haters can eat a fat you know what cuz the KA24 is a very good motor. Stock the sr20 puts out a good 210hp but with the xs engineering turbo bolted on to the stock ka24 it put out a good 229@ 5600 rpm and that is just a stage 1. stage 2 is coming out soon and that is bragged at 250 hp. On top of that, it is emmisions legal in cali. Well if any of you sr20 fu*kers wanna mess with me, bring it. Thats all I gotta say. :banghead: this is what you look like whan your sr20 breaks down cuz that sh!t costs an arm and a leg to fix.

i think most people that swap for sr are quite aware of the 240 potential. i myself was really tempted on building my ka24 then the motor started breaking down and i had to spend 500 dollars to get it running again. not saying ka's are bad personally i think they are great just the person that had the car before me i think didn't take too care of it. the reason behind me swapping? can't exactly say, but i'd like to try it and i am quite fond of the japanese culture. not saying that is the main reason more or less i want to try it out.plus i don't live in cali. i live in pennsylvanis actually and the emissions for a ob1 car are weak so i think i should ok. not going against you i'd actually like to see what a ka24 can do. if anyone has some vids of ka24 hitting some power pm me please
i don't like to be biasist(sp?) towards anyone or how they build their motor. but i am still going sr.

haha, what a first post :p but people have their opinions and this will of course bust out the usual sr20det vs kar24de-t thread, hurray.

XS Engineering Turbo kit is emissions legal in California? Since when?... Even Greddy is still pending CARB approval :(

heres another ka24 site www.phatka-t.com but yea this is going to be another war.....i say who cares what engine people want there both bad ass. But i guess its better to fight over 2 bad ass engines than be like civics and fight over what color light up muffler is better!!!!!! And i hope that argument will never happen for a 240. Thats funny that us 240 owners have nothing better to do than fight about good ass engines. it makes me feel proud just to even have one.

oyea zauber there is a vid of s13 hitting 400 hp on stock internals on the site i listed check it yo!!!!!

o yea and nonsr keep in mind that kit is over 4 grand...then if you dont know how to install that ads up even more....an sr20 is cheaper for that amount of hp. Unless you get a non running sr20 which takes some rebuilding to get to run ok. But kits are waaaaay overpriced just make your own damn "kit" as i like to say.

i'd love to turbo my ka, but i wish my engine didn't have such high milage. after rebuild with stronger internals, it'd probably come out to the price of buying an SR/RB20det with lower, much lower milage. i've been considering rb20det due to the fact that has a stronger block and is rev happy, and the uniqueness factor in my city would be very high :biggrin: which is what i'm going for. but, we'll see once the money comes, heh.

Its ironic you posted this. I had some kid at Advanced today tell me that my KA24DE is going to blow on 5psi when my compression is only 10 under factory. And when I asked for a Autometer boost guage(cheap and fairly good) he asked if that was a company. Sorry for the anecdote but I vote KA24DE-T. I respect the SR very much and indeed all powerful engines, but the KA is just badass. Capable of 10sec quarter times built and 13 sec quarters reliable on stock internals if tuned properly. Please no wars. They are getting old.

lol nissanfanatic....i love when people try to tell me stuff like that when you know what there saying has been proven wrong. I just smile and nod. Plz tell what did he drive? cuz when this happens to me its always some kid in like an 80's civic or some other complete beater ass car with stickers all over it....which would explain why he would want to work at a parts store.

Dude I don't know. Supposedly he was building a 350 stroker. cough:BULLSHIT:cough. He tried to sell me a Faze guage. Truthfully I would rather have a Greddy or an Apexi boost guage, but I was hoping these guys could get me a guage by tommorrow. I guess they only sell the guages that were seen in the fast and the furious. Then he said that a 13 sec car was slow? WTF. IMO a 14 sec car is fast if it was built by the driver. He has never drove or ridden in a 15 sec car. What a douche. BTW they wouldn't give me a job because I'm 17. LMAO I'll drive my KA-T up there when its done and ask for a carbon fiber shift knob so I can run 10s and beat ferraris.

lol thats funny....he has never been in a 15 sec car but boasts at whats fast and not fast??? granted 13 sec isnt the almighty but still is fast and satisfying.

teh sad thing is i only thought where i lived kids drove around in civics with stickers... but whatever. yeah a 14ssecond car is quick i know i don't know everything, btu still the story makes me sad. i think last time i ran some one it was a fastback 240 i won, but barly very barly. but to get to the story i meant i followed him to a parking lot and told him that it was fun a shook his hand i told him when we both swap i'd like to run him again for fun. he and his friends looked at me and were like but you won shoudlnt' you be dancing and pushing it in his face. and i was like huh umm i do this for fun and for the sport. good race see you around.
to me a race is a race i will run a 9 second car with a stock 240 it's the fun i enjoy.everyone love to win as i do myself, but it's fun that brings me out there everyone weekend i can.

I am also going to stick to the KA. I plan to get jwt cams, CP forged pistons, jwt tuned ECU, and maybe one day an F-max turbo kit :)

ive been waiting to get my own word in on this for awhile without starting my own thread because i didnt want to be responsible for starting a war. Here it goes.
sr20's are usually about 2000 right, average. Throw in your shipping. truthfully i dont know what it would be but id say at least a couple of hundred dollars right?
put in the fact that your a mechanic and you can do all of the wiring and installation yourself.
add your 300+ in various parts you need (chips, spare parts on your engine that were supposed to be on the engine but arent)
what have you got, about 2500 easy thats being cheap.
now your pushin about 215 hp with an s13 or s14 sr ( you wont touch a s15 engine for less than three grand and thats just the engine)
take that money and see what you can do for your ka
do your full exhaust with 4-2-1 headers, shave your heads, poke and polish those heads. put on a decent intake. add a throttle body spacer for some turbulent air, bigger injectors (find some that are bigger and fit your car, dont buy the performance their like 500 bucks for a set),
toss on a msd sci (sport compact ignition) and some 9 or 10 mill wires add a stage 1 clutch maybe 2 depending on what your future plans are and there you go. your looking at close to 290 hp non-turboed and at the wheels. plus when it comes to holeshot we all know that that torque ridden ka will tear up that sr and with the msd no missing at high rpms and gas to get it there that narrow powerband will get wider and wider.
NOTICE i do admit a couple of downfalls of the ka number one: its f*ckin heavy this throws off the 50/50 weight ratio it has with that light aluminum block sr. also the sr is built for a turbo and therefore it withstands the effects of a turbo the ka does not. dont think that you can just throw a turbo on a ka crank the boost to 10 psi and say you got horsepower. horsepower is only horsepower if its either reliable or you have the money to rebuild it when it takes a turn for the worse AKA detonation. well thats just about all i got in me this evenin so later and i look forward to the interesting replies. peace

why dont you get pmd instead of jwt? but as far as engines are conserned they both have the same potential 400-500 streetable hp.. the only big diferance if you're willing to spend that kind of money is what the purpose is drag or drift...Ka's power band is more suited for drag and SR more suited for drift.. Either would be good for autox really. So I think the argument shouldn't be which is better but what you want to do.

YEA Idefintely think so0.
TEchno240 u said that u will blow a a ka24 motor with around 10 psi boost. A couple post before u some guy posted this ka24 doin 15psi boost pushin out 404 rwhp. ON STOCK AND INTERNAL. Damn i think thats good. I do agree with u thought that a ka with stock internals would blow under high boost. but acording to www.phatka-t.com ( a bulder of turbo kits) says it won't and has the dyno rsults to prove it but idk u guys decide.

i think the kid who started this forum should be banned hes a absolute jackass for starting this arguement once again. this argument always starts itself we dont need some dumbass to intentionally start this sr ka war just for the sake of arguement

Then why reply and add more to the argument? :P

Metal headgasket, ARP studs, Forged Pistons, Injectors & Fuel Pump, SAFC or some other fuel management... should be good enough to handle moderate boost.

REAlly I Wouldn't call all those parts stock internals. as listed on the web site it didn't have any of them listed, but your definitely right that is what u would need to run a solid high boos

are u joking??? they flat out said stock internals. yes it has fuel system and shit but those arnt internals.

i'd love to turbo my ka, but i wish my engine didn't have such high milage. after rebuild with stronger internals, it'd probably come out to the price of buying an SR/RB20det with lower, much lower milage.

That's my reasoning. If I had a 240, I'd probably go with an SR, mostly because the motor is probably in better shape then the KA I'd have.

Just to see if the stock KA was in good enough condition to add FI would take some money. Even if you don't have to replace/fix anything, you still have to get the turbo kit, etc.

I'd personally rather just get the SR and put it in rather than take apart my KA to see if it's running okay, then add the turbo kit and possibly build it up.

HEll's yea man thin ksome thing must definetly bee up with that car becuase no way could it handle that power or therfe running it maybe once or twice just to get the dyno #er's

Anyone else have a hard time reading this^? The KA that made 404whp was a bone stock(internally)114,000 mile engine.

i think most people that swap for sr are quite aware of the 240 potential. i myself was really tempted on building my ka24 then the motor started breaking down and i had to spend 500 dollars to get it running again. not saying ka's are bad personally i think they are great just the person that had the car before me i think didn't take too care of it. the reason behind me swapping? can't exactly say, but i'd like to try it and i am quite fond of the japanese culture. not saying that is the main reason more or less i want to try it out.plus i don't live in cali. i live in pennsylvanis actually and the emissions for a ob1 car are weak so i think i should ok. not going against you i'd actually like to see what a ka24 can do. if anyone has some vids of ka24 hitting some power pm me please
i don't like to be biasist(sp?) towards anyone or how they build their motor. but i am still going sr.


What happend what cause the engine to break down before the swap?? would it be safe to turbo a high miles ka engine??? with stock internalls

IT would probably be ok to run turbo on a high miles ka at low boost around 6psi, but iwouldn't suggest it. Go ahead and spend some money on some stuff like injectors and head gasget. www.phatka-t.com has a nice upgrade set-up like 700 bucks for new injectors fuel rail fuel pump fitings and some more stuff.

im gonna be getting myself a DOHC s13 too now.

my list of engine mods will be

Intake
Headers
Test Pipe
Catback
Pulleys
SOHC pistons(for now)
Stage II cams or will see what PDM makes in awhile
Springs/Retainers
Apexi-SAFC(for now)

hmm, i've been considering the ca18det now, seems like a pretty nice and strong engine, and its ability to respond well to mods. i'm planning on going around 300-350rwhp, like most. plus, the motor set or front clip are cheap :naughty: and drops right in easier than an SR, i think.

does anyone else here have a ca18det?? if so, what do you think of it?

HEll's yea man thin ksome thing must definetly bee up with that car becuase no way could it handle that power or therfe running it maybe once or twice just to get the dyno #er's

why not????? are you king ka24man? do you know the answers to all our questions???

That's my reasoning. If I had a 240, I'd probably go with an SR, mostly because the motor is probably in better shape then the KA I'd have.

Just to see if the stock KA was in good enough condition to add FI would take some money. Even if you don't have to replace/fix anything, you still have to get the turbo kit, etc.

I'd personally rather just get the SR and put it in rather than take apart my KA to see if it's running okay, then add the turbo kit and possibly build it up.


how much would it cost for the whole sr engine with install.....with that money you could rebuild ka with after market parts.....so yea i think ka would be stronger then. And as far as turbo parts go your gonna want to buy new stuff for your sr20 so why not buy it for ka instead??? to me ka just seems way more efficient and easier to go with. Is the only reason these people want an sr is because it comes with a stock turbo that you probably are going to replace with a better one anyway??? so it just doesnt make sense to me??? you buy the turbo engine just to take that turbo off and replace it???? you probably going to want a new manifold, turbo, and fmic for your sr20 anyway....and thats what youd be buying to turbo a ka so.... i dont see where the waste of money is???? except for on the sr....

now your thinking with reason

like I said only reason all these punks want SR's is because they think it will make them cool NO BULLSHIT thats the only reason lol

EVERY OTHER REASON CAN BE RULED OUT WITH COMMON SENSE

yea its gotten to the point where every dumb ass kid comes up to me and asks dude are you going to swap the sr in...and im like fuck no...they're all puzzled and confused and i just say go away!!!! its seems like sr's are so bandwagony that all ricers know what they are now. im not saying ur a ricer because you have one, im just implying that all ricers ask that like its the pimp shit top of the line shit to do. Notice how everyone who just gets there 240 says they plan on the swap, reason being they hear and therefore think its the ultimate when they really dont know wtf there doing. Now some people do know wtf there doing and im not hating im just stating what the "sr" looks like in the big picture. granted i would do the swap also if i had 3 240s but i am only going to have 2, 1 daily driver stock as stock gets, and 1 turbod ka. I love both engines but as far as easiness and less hassle its ka for me. peace

WOW wtf BLING BLING 240sx YES DRIFT CRAZY but anyways sr always better and parts arnt hard to find just go to any superior nissan they should have parts there not that expensive they just cost as much as oem parts for ka so u dont really have to but a nut looking around for parts + its the cool thing to do go sr

well, our silvias & 240sx's (180sx and 200sx) come with the sr20 stock. and the only swaps that people do down here are RB engine swaps (20, 25)

the cool thing lol.....so is it cooler when a ka beats an sr??? NO, and it depends where you live on how "available" sr parts are.

why not????? are you king ka24man? do you know the answers to all our questions???

No i don't think i am. but think about it before u talk out ur ass. did read my previous post and others peoples post agreeing with me and visit the site before u judge me.

I think ka24's are good to just pointing out a point that it seems hella good if indeed u can make that sort of power off stock internals. in which case iwould probably get the kit.

sr scooby i wouldnt get a ca18 i mean they are strong engines and all but they are only so cheap because they are usually pretty high in mileage that why i wouldnt get one go sr if u want to do a swap but if u have a strong ka then turbo the ka. i have just recently done a sr swap i would have turboed my ka but it had 160,000 miles on it and it was auto so i figured get the lower mileage sr and while im at it get a manual swap

no way man, i've been researching the CA18 at the NICO forums and it seems like a pretty nice engine that is capable of some decent numbers.

there are low mile ones available, but where for sale, dunno, heh, i saw a motor set on ebay with 30000 miles on it for less than a grand, wish i had the money right then.

i don't plan on going over 300rwhp, so the ca is the most cost effective IMO, compared to rebuilding my KA, or buying an sr20det clip. i'm probably going to buy a CA clip because i need the parts to convert to manual, damn auto, and venus auto has them for sale for $1200. of course that may change since i plan on buying the clip during the winter while the car is in the garage anyway.

WOW wtf BLING BLING 240sx YES DRIFT CRAZY but anyways sr always better and parts arnt hard to find just go to any superior nissan they should have parts there not that expensive they just cost as much as oem parts for ka so u dont really have to but a nut looking around for parts + its the cool thing to do go sr

Nice try. What did the five fingers say to the face?

No i don't think i am. but think about it before u talk out ur ass. did read my previous post and others peoples post agreeing with me and visit the site before u judge me.

I think ka24's are good to just pointing out a point that it seems hella good if indeed u can make that sort of power off stock internals. in which case iwould probably get the kit.


um i think i was the one who referred the site....read my first post ty. and you obviously can but i wouldnt recommend just leaving the stock internals in there...as im pretty sure that wasnt daily driven but ya never know some folks are just crazy. and show me where my ass was talking ty ty. goodbye

K whatever works for u man. just sayin that to me that is damn good and ur right it prob isn't a daily driver. JUst leave it at that didn't mean to sart any thing about that. HEy anyways were both like ka's so thats and what were here talkin about.

true true

Any body find other sights on ka24's cause i'm beat. lOoked all over and can't find too many. :eek7:

What determines which motor is better than the other is the intended use and how it is built. SR's can be beaten by CA's. All of the engines can make reasonable power 300+hp. It depends on your budget and what's available for you.

The best two engines IMHO are the S15 SR20 and the RB25. Both are expensive. Both require additional components. Both are able to produce extremely high horsepower numbers.

The differences between the SR, KA and CA engines aren't major. All of the non-turbo and turbo versions can be modified to make resonable and safe power.

Oh, and it's not how fast the car can go, but how fast the driver can drive.

HEY BUDDY guess what




NOBODY CARES!!! THIS THREAD IS 4 MONTHS OLD!!!

HEY BUDDY guess what




NOBODY CARES!!! THIS THREAD IS 4 MONTHS OLD!!!
lmfao
:rofl:

its like walking into school on the last day and saying My name is .....

Damn. This was before I turboed my car. This post just reminded me of that douche bag at Advanced Auto Parts. LOL

S15Drifter what is up with you bringing up old threads? Do you go to the back of the forum (relativly speaking) get the oldest interesting looking thread and just post in it for the fuk of it?