Not Bad: Vr4 Vs Mustang 5.0

I'M ON I-5 ON MY WAY TO MY GIRLS HOUSE AND AS I'M DRIVING LISTENING TO METHODMAN :grinyes: A 2ND GEN MR-2 A CIVIC SI AND A MUSTANG 5.0(THAT SOUNDED PRETTY MEAN) ALL CAME UP BEHIND ME.
FUNNY THING IS, I DONT THINK ANY OF THEM WERE WITH EACHOTHER, WE JUST KINDA HAPPEND TO BE ALL IN ONE BUNCH.
WELL THE MUSTNAG MADE THE FIRST MOVE AND I FOLLOW THE MR-2 AND THE CIVIC ARE BEHIND ME. WE SWERVE THROUGH TRAFFIC EVENTAULY LEAVING THE MR-2 AND CIVIC BEHIND.
SO I GET DIRECTLY BEHIND THE MUSTANG TURN DOWN THE METHODMAN, ROLL UP THE WINDOWS AND POP UP THE LIGHTS, AND THE MUSTANG KNOWS ITS TIME.
HE DOWNSHIFTS AND SO DO I ABOUT A SECOND AFTER.
HE PULLS A CAR LENGTH AHEAD OF ME AND HEAR I COME PULLING BACK MY LENGTHS AND GOING LIKE ARNOLD PLAYING TUG-A-WAR WITH DANNY DAVIDO(IT REALLY WASN'T THAT BAD, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT) I PULL A CAR LENGTH IN FRONT AND SHIFT EARLY TO 4TH.
I'M STILL PULLING AND BY THE TIME WE REACHED 130MPH I SHUT DOWN AS I WAS 2 AND A HALF CAR LENGTHS IN FRONT OF HIM.
I GOT NEXT TO HIM AND GAVE HIM A THUMBS UP AND HE GAVE ME THE NOD AND OFF I WENT

Wow caps man. And good kill, too bad it wasn't a 4-some!

that was a accident the capps. i'm on a different comp, and on my comp the caps only caps the letters need be. sorry

You said you downshifted, does that mean the tranny is fixed?

Nice kill BTW.

no, i can downshift to 3rd if i'm at 70mph, thirf isn't that bad. but if i was at like 60mph i wouldn't be able to downshift to 2nd. it should be sone by next friday

your mods dont match your hp and tq youngvr4, did you leave stuff out on the list of mods?

Nice Kill

Way to teach those dam Stangs a lesson!!!! I hate those fuckers!!!! :uhoh:



Good :chair: kill

I don't think the 840 hp and 680 tq is his car...

it's the GTO in the pic

A little off-topic, but bear with me.

I just drove a manual 5.0 mustang the other day, and those things put out an impressive amount of torque stock...it was hard to believe that they run low 15's stock. I actually wouldn't mind picking up one of those to play with, once I fall into some cash.

K back on-topic: Nice race, I love it when everything falls in place perfectly by random chance like that...like when you pull up to a stoplight 4 lanes wide with three other cars revving.... :biggrin:

Hehe, yeah, there aren't many cars out there that give you 300 torque out of the box and cost less than $5000 :)

it's the GTO in the pic


GTO in the pic? that looks like a show car 3000GT to me


i dont know 3000gt lingo so i might be missing what you are saying



PS im not stirring up shit either, i was just wonderin' :D

I just drove a manual 5.0 mustang the other day, and those things put out an impressive amount of torque stock...it was hard to believe that they run low 15's stock. I actually wouldn't mind picking up one of those to play with, once I fall into some cash.


The low 15's happens a lot cause of auto's and 100,000 mile plus 5.0's everywhere. If you had a stick with a good low mileage 87-93 5.0 you'd be down near the mid 14's with some practice launching.


Also I think he said GTO cause 3000GT VR4's are called that in Japan and Europe.

The low 15's happens a lot cause of auto's and 100,000 mile plus 5.0's everywhere. If you had a stick with a good low mileage 87-93 5.0 you'd be down near the mid 14's with some practice launching.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when they were new, they were tested at mid-to-low 15's with some high 15's.

Not saying they're not capable of mid 14's, but the "mileage" excuse was kinda bothering me, especially since my low-15 second car has never had a problem with a stock one, and my car has over 125K itself.

Now an LX 5.0, on the other hand...http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/naughty.gif

Also I think he said GTO cause 3000GT VR4's are called that in Japan and Europe.

You are correct sir, and with the placement of the steering wheel on that picture, I would say that it is a GTO.

Also, as far as I know, the greatest hindrance of the 5.0's was their shitty, stock heads, that would kill the car's high-RPM breathing, mileage or not.

Most of the 15 second times people see out of these cars are attributed to what I said. Then also with the 5-speed 5.0 and 225 stock width tires launching and even into second there is a huge area for driver error not getting the best out of the car.

True many magazines like R&T, C&D who are notorious for not really getting the most out of cars in the 1/4 mile had low 15's as result in the 1/4.

But magazines which put drivers who really know how to get the most in the 1/4 mile of any car like MM&FF, 5.0, Super Chevy, etc.., tend to show what the real potential of the car is. Now I could post up a MM&FF or 5.0 times from 87-93 but then you could say it is a Mustang magazine biase. So I found one from Muscle Car Review a source less questionable for the masses.

http://lyonsd.corral.net/cars/shootout/mcr8705.html

Also, as far as I know, the greatest hindrance of the 5.0's was their shitty, stock heads, that would kill the car's high-RPM breathing, mileage or not.

As far as in the quest for mid-low 14's the biggest hinderance to a 5.0 EFI would not be not breathing in the top end cause it doesn't need it. The real problems arise like this:

#1 Launching: this car on the stock 225's take a very skillful driver. The 300ft/lbs the EFI long runners create from a lil 302 melt the 225's so easy. So going to bigger and or stickier tires will take driver skill away and make you get the most from your strong point.

#2 Gearing: The 5-speed EFI 5.0's got a best of 3.08 but many got 2.73 rear gears and others between. The auto's get a little extra help wit 3.27's in the back. Already established that the stock motor is not a great high RPM breather, but with gearing that actually matches the low end torque of the stock motor. This really awakens the car's true potential.

If you did these two things and could drive well at the 1/4 mile you could see high 13's.

GTO in the pic? that looks like a show car 3000GT to me


i dont know 3000gt lingo so i might be missing what you are saying



PS im not stirring up shit either, i was just wonderin' :D

its the strongest 3000gt in the world so far or thats been recorded. i wish it was mine :naughty: and its not a show car, interior is striped pure strength it is :grinyes:

its the strongest 3000gt in the world so far or thats been recorded.

"It's an amazing machine...Somebody put in the wrench time."

Lol...alright, i'll shut up now.

Lol

Also, as far as I know, the greatest hindrance of the 5.0's was their shitty, stock heads, that would kill the car's high-RPM breathing, mileage or not

When I read reviews on the 5.0, the only two things that almost everyone complains about are that the stock brakes are too weak, and the suspension needs a little bit of tweaking. I think new performance tires, new four-wheel disc brakes, and 3.73's in the back is enough to get the 5.0 into the 13's...

carnut, you are correct. when my car was running. with full exhaust, 373's, intake, and pro 5.0 shifter. My car had (when we raced) approx. 135,000 miles on it. at that time i hadn't taken it to the track. Later about 180,000 on the odometer i took it to the track. I ran 14.81 at 94, and a 14.98 at 95.

carnut, you are correct. when my car was running. with full exhaust, 373's, intake, and pro 5.0 shifter. My car had (when we raced) approx. 135,000 miles on it. at that time i hadn't taken it to the track. Later about 180,000 on the odometer i took it to the track. I ran 14.81 at 94, and a 14.98 at 95.

Sup Brandon!

Where'd ya run? SW or FB?

That kinda gives credence to my 15.00 G-Tech time :)

Also, is that new motor up and running yet? Can't wait to see what that beast can do!

carnut, you are correct. when my car was running. with full exhaust, 373's, intake, and pro 5.0 shifter. My car had (when we raced) approx. 135,000 miles on it. at that time i hadn't taken it to the track. Later about 180,000 on the odometer i took it to the track. I ran 14.81 at 94, and a 14.98 at 95.

Do you remember what your 60' times were?

94mph and 95mph traps indicate the car is capable of much lower ET's.

Yeah, that's why most people slap on a pair of Trick Flow heads when they get their stangs.

Sup Brandon!

Where'd ya run? SW or FB?

That kinda gives credence to my 15.00 G-Tech time :)

Also, is that new motor up and running yet? Can't wait to see what that beast can do!

RC, i ran at speedworld. naw the motor is in but gotta wait for the valve covers to get here from trickflow. hehe

Do you remember what your 60' times were?

94mph and 95mph traps indicate the car is capable of much lower ET's.

honestly i don't. how much faster do you think? cause i always thought that 94-95mph was about right for a high 14 sec. car.

honestly i don't. how much faster do you think? cause i always thought that 94-95mph was about right for a high 14 sec. car.

The trap speeds tell me the car can definetly do mid 14's and maybe see high 13's. I know this is a wide area but no knowing your 60' I'm missing part of the picture of what happened. Your 60's may be bad enough were if you cut them down to even a reasonable number you traps would be even higher than what they are and you'd see 13's.

Also you can see from your higher trap but over a second slower ET there is inconsistency in your driving again not helping get a clear picture of what the car was doing so much as you.

I think a lot of your problems is probably your 60's were pretty bad. This is the area that needs the most practice in drag racing especially with a V8/RWD/manual car.

Nice Job killin a 5.0 :chair:

GTSTang, tell me what i need to work on in my car.
Run time: 10:24PM @ 73 degrees F.
R/T: .498 (damnit!)
60' : 2.285
330': 6.380
1/8: 9.780
MPH: 73.25
1000: 12.689
1/4: 15.154
MPH: 91.68

Does this sound about right to a stock GT? How does my 60' times look? Thanks.

GTSTang, tell me what i need to work on in my car.
Run time: 10:24PM @ 73 degrees F.
R/T: .498 (damnit!)
60' : 2.285
330': 6.380
1/8: 9.780
MPH: 73.25
1000: 12.689
1/4: 15.154
MPH: 91.68

Does this sound about right to a stock GT? How does my 60' times look? Thanks.

This is a fairly typical time for a 5.0 these days. Your 60' could be better for a stock 5.0 aim for 2.2 flat 60' that is pretty average. With ya trap mph you could just break into 14's. Is it a 5-speed or auto?

could someone explain to me what trap mph is? i hear it talked about alot but never found out what it ment

Trap mph is the speed your car is going at a certain time trap in the 1/4 mile. Usually 98% of the time when some one is talking about trap mph, it's the speed thier car was going when it finished it's 1/4 mile run. But you can also have trap speeds at different points of the 1/4 mile run depending what the track is measuring.