Drift Show

Just checking if anyone else saw the drifting show on RIDES last night. It wasnt to bad except for the fact they showed the new GTslow I mean GTO that was in D1GP. Showed how they made it and developed and what not...... THey showed some up close and personals with team orange. Wasnt a bad show but was just gay because the whole GTO thing. I personally am not thinking GTO when i hear drifting.....but all in all i liked it. Props to rhys millen though for making the car in 2 weeks and finishing in top 16. Dont take anything personal of what i said about gto im just an ignorant american car hater...never have and never will like any american car. NOT ONE!!!! except for MAYBE a superbird.

You are the kind of closed minded ricer that everyone except closed minded ricers hate.

If you honestly have any (i hate to say) respect to cars, then all cars are created equal.

Props to the GTO and props to the Viper for being different. They go against the typical "conform or die" of regular folk.

im not a fan of many american cars but i do like grand nationals

yeah, isn't the grand national a sedan that had 1000hp or it was easily obtainable...?

im sorry but your an idiot.

the car was built to drift, and it probably drifts better than any car you'll ever own. So what if its american made, WTF is wrong with that? its a custom built drift car and did a damn good job of drifting from what i saw...

would i buy a GTO to drift? no. but thats not the point.

Since the majority of the audience is like the mechanic, who did not understand drifting, the show used the GTO because it is a famous american car. Besides you should of expected them to do the show around an american car.

Yeah, id kill for a GTO. OR the Viper. Tons of HP and TQ, naturally aspirated. Dont know about the GTO but the Viper is anyways. It actually seems a bit unfair at the power they have at tap. Just waiting to go sideways. MMM MMM MMM.

im an idiot your right lol....except the car can drift better than any car youll ever own too. So what if its american made???? I care i just hate american cars there are peices of shit any bodyman/ mechanic will tell you that(especially ford). Only cars iv known that break down under 5,000 miles....sad just sad. Yes i did expect them to do the show on an american car, but lets see if it was on a AE86, silvia, skyline, rx-7 or anything i think i (and many others) would enjoy the show 10x better. So if you think im an idiot for having a preferance on what type of car i like well then your just as ignorant as i am..... and M aurice you have the word rice in your name so...and all cars are not created equal, stop thinking of human rights. That was the dumbest thing iv heard. Yea you got me im a close minded ricer whahahahah funny. Since you have respect for all cars...yea im sure you dont.

if he respect for a pinto then he would love all cars but i dont think that anyone would have respect for that piece of crap.

umm, hence the fact I'm not american the first thing I think of when I hear 'GTO' is a mitsubishi :D

umm, hence the fact I'm not american the first thing I think of when I hear 'GTO' is a mitsubishi :D

Hah, that would be nice too.

im an idiot your right lol....except the car can drift better than any car youll ever own too. So what if its american made???? I care i just hate american cars there are peices of shit any bodyman/ mechanic will tell you that(especially ford). Only cars iv known that break down under 5,000 miles....sad just sad. Yes i did expect them to do the show on an american car, but lets see if it was on a AE86, silvia, skyline, rx-7 or anything i think i (and many others) would enjoy the show 10x better. So if you think im an idiot for having a preferance on what type of car i like well then your just as ignorant as i am..... and M aurice you have the word rice in your name so...and all cars are not created equal, stop thinking of human rights. That was the dumbest thing iv heard. Yea you got me im a close minded ricer whahahahah funny. Since you have respect for all cars...yea im sure you dont.

Alright lets break this down. The car is not the thing that drifts better than anything I will ever own. Last I checked the driver is 90% of the car. Remember when Mr. Ueo won the D1 USA? Technically my S13 drifts better than an AE86.

Bodymen/mechanics are biased because they see 80% of the 10% of bad cars. Yes there are some really bad cars out there, but they are obvious. Besides, the GTO is Australian not exactly American. Just like how USDM Fords are sterotypically garbage, the European Fords are godlike.

The point of the show was to show US drifting and how the scene is, not just the Japanese end of it. It seems to me that Japan and North America are sort of swapping trends. We are getting into all kinds of JDM goodies, and they are going all F&F on their cars.

Yes I am an ignorant bastard.

Using my name against me is just weak dude, I'm not even going to touch it.

Yes, feel proud.

Yes, well, you don't know me.

Alright lets break this down. The car is not the thing that drifts better than anything I will ever own. Last I checked the driver is 90% of the car. Remember when Mr. Ueo won the D1 USA? Technically my S13 drifts better than an AE86.


Even though I agree that hating on cars based on their country is stupid, if the driver is 90% of the car then why did you tell him that the GTO was a better drifter then any car he would ever have?

I didn't.

dekand is secretly an american muscle man. he has cobra wheels on his 240. i wouldn't listen to anything he says

:rolleyes:

non-imports suck

You are the kind of closed minded ricer that everyone except closed minded ricers hate.

If you honestly have any (i hate to say) respect to cars, then all cars are created equal.

Props to the GTO and props to the Viper for being different. They go against the typical "conform or die" of regular folk.


get off your high Horse. Ive seen to many of these "im holier than Thou because i liketh cars of both Countrys" sermons. People have their own opinions and just because he only likes imports doesnt make him a Ricer.

The Vipers... both the Taisan and the Mopar Kicked ass, and so did the El Camino (Texas Local) but the GTO sucked Big Dick. the GTO wasnt meant to be anything besides a 50yr old's trip down memory lane. and that Veilside mad TyTE DRFT wing was Teh Lose.

The show pissed me off because it made APC *Suck* seem like the hot shit of drifting and barely mentioned the Roots of it and had no Focus on all the Amauters.

r.w. 240 thank you!!!! he must of seen a different show than us.....my nismo thanx for the info lol.....and yes i know that the driver makes the car drift but the car still has its part in it....if it didnt they wouldnt have to "set" and "tune" it to drift. And yes i hate APC also but i think they have a major part in setting the whole thing up in America. Didnt team orange have APC on there cars in big letters....but i bet not one damn part was from them lol!!!!!!

actually they are a little better because they like cars from different countries


saying that all cars made so and so suck and all cars made here are good is just pigheaded and outright DUMB.

I can name one american car, scratch that make that two american cars, with american engines, production cars, that woud absoultely MURDER any stock japanese car to try to take it on a race track.

Mosler Mt900
Saleen S7


when will the majority of people who like fast cars realize that any car can be made fast, any car can beat any car on a race track. It doesn't matter if your car is from Russia, France, US, or UK... when they are track prepped all things pretty much become equal.......besides driving skill and experience

if you think that your car is from Japan and his car is from America, and that your car is automatically better, one day you will be in for a RUDE awakening

aaaa wrong nissan r390gt1 road car would murder s7. yes only 2 have been bought but thats because they were 1 million dollars!!!!!!! compared to 300,000 s7. And actually i forgot about the s7 it is a nice car and if i had that amount of cashmoney id prolly buy it. And i know any car can beat anycar (for the most part) if made to go fast but thats not was i was saying!!!! American cars just dont appeal to me at all, there ugly as fuck. And dont say o your a ricer that just wants looks...no. Body style has something to do with all our likes and dislikes. But yes the s7 is a sexy, fast machine. But notice how you could only name 2 lol! jk

american cars have the japenese beat on the higher end cars with the Vette, Viper, Saleens, Mosler, Cobra but where japenese cars have the US beat is the mid end sports cars - STi, EVO, 350Z (S15)

as much as i hate to say the S7 is so much sexier than the R390

hmmm vettes aint shit, saleens na. unless the s7 but like i said thats a 300,000 dollar car i would hope you do get something out of that. And if you think about it there arnt really that much high end jap cars sold..but why? Because all the mid end ones have the ability to smoke our high end!!!! least thats the way i see it.
s7 maybe sexier but r390 still takes the checkerd flag.

and i hope u didnt mean mustang cobra r.....didnt a 200 hp lotus elise smoke that on the strip and the track??? yea the car weighs practically nothing, but non-the-less 200 hp 4 cylinder (honda engine if i remember correctly). I know its italian car but still an import. Theres one down at the dealership now...so sexy along with its older brother an esprit.

saleen s7 is nice... but tommy kaira zzii is nicer ;D

hmmm vettes aint shit

Get A ride in A Z06 with Hoosiers and see if you feel the same way...

lol iv ridden in a 600 hp vette know that was something but a zo6 like i said aint shit....my boys 5.0 wasted one.

SR20DETpower - Amen brotha!

Chuki-breath - Just STFU already. Oh shit only 2 R390 were bought cause they were $1,000,000 not like the MacLaren F1 or Ferrari Enzo, eh? The two mentioned were just a couple of modern ones worth mentioning.

Chuki-breath again - You are right, Vettes ain't shit at all, they are quite nice for what they are. And yes, for $300,000 you get a lot. Also, you could pay a bit more and get a car that beats that even. Ever heard of Koenigsegg? R390 takes your checkered flag, not necessarily the checkered flag. And last I checked, Lotus was a British company. They make track cars for the road, so "only" 200hp is more than they need really. Motor is not Honda either. If anything, it is a European Ford or GM motor.

Once again making a fool of yourself - Dear Christ man, leern to speell if u wanna make a point, you look lik a foo, homes. my boys honda wasted your boys 5.0. lololol jk!!11!111!!!!

umm wrong its a honda engine its in sport compact car. and if 200 hp is all they need then y does the esprit have 550hp??? turbo charged v8. And the r390 has won le mans(if i remember correct) i dont think those two cars have.....enzo mclaren blah ill pass. I could of swore lotus was italian...maybe im getting my flags mixed up....plus you expect top of the line shit from enzo and mclaren.

darn i guess were both fools then cuz we both cant spell!!!!

Right on SR20DETpower.

But i will say i like import's more then i do US cars. Sad to say but alot of the performance cars in the US kick imports butt's. But thats because they spend 40,000-50,000 buy the car. T

Right on SR20DETpower.

But i will say i like import's more then i do US cars. Sad to say but alot of the performance cars in the US kick imports butt's. But thats because they spend 40,000-50,000 buy the car. The thing that rocks about us import fans is we spend 5,000-10,000 or less on our cars (used tho) and mod them. The cool thing about modding is you can make the car fit the way you like it...sorta make your car if you want to call it that. Now all the drifters on the rides show were modded...none was better then the other. Thats way drifting is about the driver moreless (altho you do need to have a good drift car when all the cars are at the same level its still about the driver). Thats why a little AE86 can beat a RX-7's and 240SX's. Sometimes drivers have they're good days and bad days.

My dad is a all out US only guy...me on the other hand i'm a all out import guy...that doesn't mean i'm better then my dad...it just means i like imports more then US. If you guys were really watching the "rides" show then you would have herd one of the Japan guys got asked what he thinks about the GTO. He said he was glad that the Amercia were getting they're cars in D1. He even said they would like to see more of the US cars in the D1, like vettes and such cars. So to say stuff about the GTO...well take it up with the Jap's. It about you and the car...not what one is better.

"if you think that your car is from Japan and his car is from America, and that your car is automatically better, one day you will be in for a RUDE awakening" words well said. Same goings for the America loves.

Sorry about the two posts...my computer is messed up!

You're sorry about the second one so you post a third one, just delete the first one and don't post a third one!

Oh and if your dad is so pro-american cars, why is he buying your 3000GT? Is it ganna be his good-ol' american shootin' car? "2 more payments and it's ours"

Cause he likes the car alot and i'm starting to get him to like imports.

I just now saw the edit/delete. Thanks man.

Sorry chooch, the Elise (the newest one anyway) has a Toyota motor. And the Esprit is a twin-turbo V8 with 350hp. :icon16:

Alright, there is a point there about the Le Mans, so kudos to you.

Ya, never mind about the spelling...

damn i wish i had an esprit

wrong there is an esprit down the street at the dealer...stock form 550 horses so uhhh yea. Actually there are 2, and if u want me to go check out the elise there, i can tell you what engine it has since im not sure on the year it is. :smokin:

Wrong. The Esprit has a twin turbo 3.5 liter V8 pumping out 350hp and 295lbs of torque. Oh and if you want a source, try www.lotuscars.com the official US website for Lotus.

The R390 Never won did it? i thought the only car to win was the 787B
(5.2L Rotary = Weaksauce)

then the dealer lies!!!!!!!

Actually a 2.6L and 700hp isn't weaksauce IMHO (787B)

R390 seems to have placed 3rd overall in its heyday.

You lie.

Google is your friend.

787B = 4 Rotor
2 Rotor = 2.6L
4 Rotor = 5.2L

5.2L Rotary Making 700HP = Weaksauce

www.google.com

2 rotor = 1308cc/79.8cu.in.
4 rotor = 2622cc/160cu.in.

Ya, ya your point is that it is "weaksauce" but think about it this way - 700hp + 1863lbs = holy fucking fast Batman!

Seriously, just give up now, I will prove you wrong until you die.

n00b.

http://rx7.com/techarticles_displacement.html

Chris Ott... im sure hes a n00b too... oh wait hes the crew cheif on rotary preformances drag team.

2 Rotor = 2.6
4 Rotor = 5.2

anything that makes 700HP is going to be hella fast... except a mack truck... but thats beside the point. i dont like the 787B because it did what other Prototypes were doing with 3.5L and now everyone thinks its TeH ubAr JDM 2.6 PuTTN DoWn 700hP y0!!!111!! yeah 5.2 bitches

Werd, upon further research, it is 2.6L if looked at as a four stroke motor. 1.8L if looked at as a two stroke.

Thanks, you are a wise "rival", I enjoyed the brain mashing.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/editors/technobabble/9808scc_technobabble/index.html

Take what you want from this article, and Mazda's official number is indeed 1.3L.

:thumbsup:

Two stroke? so you have to put oil i the gas...hmm that sucks. ::packs up and walks away::

I think your own link has proved you wrong RW.

four faces equals 160ci or 2.6L.

read the whole thing...

it fires twice as many times in the same 1080 degree cycle as a piston engine.

what most people dont realize is the rotary engines are actually less effiecent than piston engines. all of the benifets of not having to reverse the Pistons/rods are offset by the having some law of physics working against them

Sure, but why is it that EVERY single time that I have read anything concerning, say, the RX-8, the engine is said to be 1.3 liters, the name is even 13B. If it's 2 rotors, each 1.3 liters, then why would they say the whole engine is 1.3liters? They don't say a normal engine is .5 liters because it has 4 cylinders, totalling 2 liters, they say it's 2 liters, the total displacement. Face it, 1.3 liters is 2 rotors, each .65 liters.

I'm pretty sure logik23 is right. I have a rotary engine out of a old Madaz turck...my co-workers old truck. He gave it to me because he knew i like the rotary engine and wanted to know more about them. So i took it all apart (it was fun btw) and i think its only .65 liters per rotor. I can go take some pics of it right now...but by the size of it...i dont think its 1.3 liters per rotor.

Can anyone say Loophole?

Mazda found a loophole when naming the displacement. back in the day nobody but mazda had a good working knowlege of the rotary engine. most people understand HP per Liter (or ci) so mazda used it and people thought it was the wave of the future.

you can think of it as a 1.3 but then it wouldnt be on the same "Ruler" as the 4-stroke. it would be as logik said oly counting half the strokes. what im saying is the rotary is 2.6 on the same "ruler" as a Piston because it doesnt use one rotor per it uses two per 1080 degrees.

Ok, so clearly I won't convince you and you won't convince me, so we'll just have to agree to disagree before this becomes another big argument. ;-)