F@$& Michael Moore

I am not a Bush Fanatic by any means, but Michael Moore is just a bitch. There is soo much flat out bullshit in his documentaries.

like...?

Shutup noob, don't talk shit without having any valid backup.


but to tell you the truth, his documentary did come a little late because Immortal Technique's CD came out last year and he had already told us everything.

And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, 'cuz he isn't that smart
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine
And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted
And Dick Cheney, you fuckin leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house niggaz fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations
Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cuz then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die

First up,please do not use profanity in thread titles.Second up, we have a 'politics and current affairs' forum,please use it.Third up,please feel free to back up your claims with some quantifyable arguments.Are you claiming that he is a liar?if so,I'm sure the Bush administration would love to know details so that he can sue his lardy ass off.

If,on the other hand,you are claiming that his facts are coated in a thick layer of 'spin',wake up,it's politics in the 21st century.It's going to be a close-fought election this year,and the mudslinging will only get worse.

I agree that he's a jackass and you don't have to post anything to back it up. Its not a requirement as attested by the derogetory things others say off the cuff.













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Shutup noob, don't talk shit without having any valid backup.


but to tell you the truth, his documentary did come a little late because Immortal Technique's CD came out last year and he had already told us everything.

And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, 'cuz he isn't that smart
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine
And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted
And Dick Cheney, you fuckin leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house niggaz fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations
Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cuz then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die

I've never heard that before. Whose this guy? Anyways I liked Moore's Bowling for columbine and havent seen 9/11 yet. He's just like a politician who does everything he can to prove his side of the story. You shouldn't consider his movies as documentations, hell he even calls them movies. Check out the 9/11 topic in the stress relief forum for some heated debate :grinyes:

When you cut and paste audio and video clips and take quotes out of context it's the same as lying to me. I've found some interesting things in his movies but there's such a thick layer of bs in everything he says that I can't bring myself to believe ANYTHING he says.

I've never heard that before. Whose this guy?


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000UX58E/qid=1091046138/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-1029092-4258436?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

When you cut and paste audio and video clips and take quotes out of context it's the same as lying to me. I've found some interesting things in his movies but there's such a thick layer of bs in everything he says that I can't bring myself to believe ANYTHING he says.


funny thing that he lies in a "doc" that yells at bush for lying.

Yea, the stress release has a thing going on about Farenheir 9/11 (I'm still waiting on Flatrater's comments on my last reply).

Getting back on topic, yes some of the stuff is taken out of context. What I find funny is that when someone questions the acts and events of the government, he/she becomes a conspiracist.

I would like to see some points in the movie where Micheal Moore flat out lies....thank you

Yea, the stress release has a thing going on about Farenheir 9/11 (I'm still waiting on Flatrater's comments on my last reply).

Getting back on topic, yes some of the stuff is taken out of context. What I find funny is that when someone questions the acts and events of the government, he/she becomes a conspiracist.

I would like to see some points in the movie where Micheal Moore flat out lies....thank you
:iagree:

I haven't even bothered to see the movie. I saw Bowling for Columbine when it hit the movie channels, and I just wanted to hit Moore. Hes a dipshit. Sorry, but I just won't be paying his salary with the purchase of a ticket to this movie.

Well thought out boys, you can call Moore all sorts of nasty names, and call him a liar all you like, but you can't prove he lies. Every word you say about him is just increasing his publicity as well. Personally, I don't hold the man in very high regard, but he is saying a lot of things that should be said, and asking a lot of questions that are just not getting asked.

I remember Moore's old TV show on Fox, TV Nation... That was a truly entertaining show! Call him a moron all you want, he knows what he's doing.

I would like to see some points in the movie where Micheal Moore flat out lies....thank you

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm













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/\ Since when do you take opinions of the liberals so seriously. Did you know that Dave Kopel is part of the NRA and ACLU? Kinda on the opposite side of eachother

You asked for point, you got some points.













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Thanks, but have you taken the time to read it yourself? Most of the article just goes on saying how the documentary is propaganda, and how the "documentry" was manipulated to get Moore's point across. I know already that he did that, but I wanna see some proof that shows Micheal Moore making something up. Anyways, a man that contradicts himself in the political scenec does not count as a credible source.....but that's just me :D

I don't think Moore is as big an issue as everyone is making it out to be. All this controversy around him is just going to make him rich. If you agree with him you love the movie, if you don't you hate the movie, but it seems like both sides are watching the movie. Kind of the Howard Stern affect, but I guess ignoring him is easier said than done?

Did I read it? It sounds like you didn't read it. The bulk of the article talks about the facts, where they came from and how they were twisted. I'm not going to make a condensed version.













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Well thought out boys, you can call Moore all sorts of nasty names, and call him a liar all you like, but you can't prove he lies. Every word you say about him is just increasing his publicity as well. Personally, I don't hold the man in very high regard, but he is saying a lot of things that should be said, and asking a lot of questions that are just not getting asked.


You can't prove what he is telling is the truth. He is a film-maker for good's sake. He is paid to put in his movies what he thinks will entertain the most people and will raise questions about something he disagrees with, whether it be BS or not. A question can be spun many ways, and he my friend, spins it in ways that only a bastard liar can. Seeing all these hollywood pricks at the DNC has reminded me of something interesting. Actors, directors, and the like of them are paid to believe in the make-believe. Their whole lives are fake. Their whole life is a lie and for some reason, they have the balls to call someone else a liar. As far as I'm concerned, Holywood can go f*** itself.

You can't prove what he is telling is the truth. He is a film-maker for good's sake. He is paid to put in his movies what he thinks will entertain the most people and will raise questions about something he disagrees with, whether it be BS or not. A question can be spun many ways, and he my friend, spins it in ways that only a bastard liar can. Seeing all these hollywood pricks at the DNC has reminded me of something interesting. Actors, directors, and the like of them are paid to believe in the make-believe. Their whole lives are fake. Their whole life is a lie and for some reason, they have the balls to call someone else a liar. As far as I'm concerned, Holywood can go f*** itself.

All rant, no substance.I see no republicans taking Moore to court for slander,or libel...I'll use your 'WMD ARGUMENT' on this one.Prove that Bush is not a liar.Until you can prove that he has never told a lie,I shall assume that nhe has.

A political party can sue? :confused:


Those that don't like Bush will eat up this movie. Its about the same as the preacher in church. Nobody is asking for proof - they're hearing what they want.

Is it November yet?













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You can't prove what he is telling is the truth. He is a film-maker for good's sake. He is paid to put in his movies what he thinks will entertain the most people and will raise questions about something he disagrees with, whether it be BS or not. A question can be spun many ways, and he my friend, spins it in ways that only a bastard liar can. Seeing all these hollywood pricks at the DNC has reminded me of something interesting. Actors, directors, and the like of them are paid to believe in the make-believe. Their whole lives are fake. Their whole life is a lie and for some reason, they have the balls to call someone else a liar. As far as I'm concerned, Holywood can go f*** itself.

I don't have to prove that he is telling the truth, the burden of proof is upon you, have made claims about him, to back those claims up!

Moore has made more money than he can ever spend, except on opulent houses, yachts, and other multimillion dollar purchases. I think at this point, he's much more interested in bringing across a valid viewpoint which is not publicized in the media.

Moore puts no more spin on the events and issues than Fox News does, you just happen to agree with Bill O'Reilly, and as such Moore is the liar, and Fox News is the champion of honesty and virtue.

Your feelings on Hollywood aside, their opinions are just as valid as yours. More valid, in fact, because people actually give a fuck about what they say, unlike you or I.

/\ Since when do you take opinions of the liberals so seriously. Did you know that Dave Kopel is part of the NRA and ACLU? Kinda on the opposite side of eachother

I'd say they both believe in protecting the Constitution, but are pretty seperate on the interpretation...

i have to leave soon, but just off the top of my head.... the instance in which moore insists that bush gave "special authoritative permission" for some of bin laden's homies to leave the country while airports were closed, right after 911, is total bullshit. its not going to make it anymore true to have it in one of moore's current event fiction movies. it has been PROVEN by the FBI, CIA, etc. that upon close investigation of these accusations that it is entirely made up and no evidence for this has been found. what WAS found however, was that some faa official (or someone in a similar position, i've forgot whom) authorized the departure flight of a couple saudi arabians who were found to be involved in NO WAY what so ever to the terrorist attacks. this, by the way, was AFTER the airports had begun to re-open for general air traffic. i am not a conservative enthusiast by any means, but anyone who has been presented with the evidence of moore's lies would agree, he is full of shit.

Can you please provide the proof where its stated that those events were false. Thank you

i can't find my orginal source, reliable as well, but read this. in the last 3 paragraphs my point is mentioned, but read the whole thing.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

by the way, dont frag me with all the "oh you cant find it can you? how coincidental" bullshit. i just didnt bookmark the page on whatever news site. keep in mind that even though i dont exactly support either canidate, i still think moore is a fuck.

The need for proof falls in the lap of the accuser. No one has proven that Bush lied about WMD. Moore on the other hand has trouble discriminating between a round of golf and a vacation. If one plays golf, is one on vacation? I believe I have played a lot of golf when NOT on vacation.

The need for proof falls in the lap of the accuser.

Thank you.This is what I have been saying all along.Bush accused Saddam of having WMD...and failed miserably to provide proof,despite having had every opportunity to do so.

You yourself have used the exact opposite point of argument to shield Bush from his critics.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1960259&postcount=50


Using the 'Gladhatter twisted theory of proof'.......

Just because nobody has concrete evidence that Bush isn't a lying scumbag,doesn't mean it isn't true.

Thank you.This is what I have been saying all along.Bush accused Saddam of having WMD...and failed miserably to provide proof,despite having had every opportunity to do so.

You yourself have used the exact opposite point of argument to shield Bush from his critics.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1960259&postcount=50


Using the 'Gladhatter twisted theory of proof'.......

Just because nobody has concrete evidence that Bush isn't a lying scumbag,doesn't mean it isn't true.




taranaki, are you trying to say that bush had NO reason to believe there were WMD in iraq? that he provided NO proof for his move to invade? if i remember correctly, the cia was thoroughly convinced that there were WMD in iraq and that the testemonies of several captured/escapee iraqi scientists and assorted "people in the know" were more than plausible. what i HONESTLY dont understand is that during the SEVERAL week period that saddam knew bush was coming one way or another, but was being delayed by politics, if he had WMD, why wouldn't he move them? he'd be crazy not to, which is why the cia also detected many, many truck transports zipping around iraq from areas showing very little activity prior to this. trucks moving back and forth around iraq and also into turkey. whatever bush finds after such a long delay is a miracle. how easy would it be to dig a hole 20 feet into the ground with a couple of cats and put a few tons of missles down there? what do people expect? i dont know. whatever.

Using the 'Gladhatter twisted theory of proof'.......

There's nothing twisted about it! That is the way the legal system is set up. Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty?

We had documentation od Sadaam's WMD. He had no documentation of it's disposal. He refused to abide by the UN sanctions. We were RIGHT to go in and remove his sick self.

There's nothing twisted about it! That is the way the legal system is set up. Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty?

We had documentation od Sadaam's WMD. He had no documentation of it's disposal. He refused to abide by the UN sanctions. We were RIGHT to go in and remove his sick self.

Keep dreaming.

How many times?

NO EVIDENCE OF WMD.

IRAQ IS NOT A STATE OF AMERICA

DEMOCRACY = NOT KILLING PEOPLE WITHOUT GOOD REASON

george bush should concentrate on fixing the shit in his own back yard before bombing the shit out of someone else's.

taranaki, are you trying to say that bush had NO reason to believe there were WMD in iraq? that he provided NO proof for his move to invade? if i remember correctly, the cia was thoroughly convinced that there were WMD in iraq and that the testemonies of several captured/escapee iraqi scientists and assorted "people in the know" were more than plausible. what i HONESTLY dont understand is that during the SEVERAL week period that saddam knew bush was coming one way or another, but was being delayed by politics, if he had WMD, why wouldn't he move them? he'd be crazy not to, which is why the cia also detected many, many truck transports zipping around iraq from areas showing very little activity prior to this. trucks moving back and forth around iraq and also into turkey. whatever bush finds after such a long delay is a miracle. how easy would it be to dig a hole 20 feet into the ground with a couple of cats and put a few tons of missles down there? what do people expect? i dont know. whatever.

Welcome.I've already covered this argument.If you'd be so good as to click the link that you just quoted,you will see why Iam certain that Saddam ,evil as he was ,did not have the weapoons accused.

Bush would have had all manner of 'intelligence',some alleging proof that WMD were in IRAQ,some confirming that none had been found after extensive searching.Because he is who he is,Bush elected to take notice only of the 'intelligence' that fitted his pre-determined plan to invade Iraq and usurp its leader.The objective itself isn't entirely bad, but the lies told to achieve it should be unacceptable to every patriotic American.The President of the United States should be an honorable man,and this one isn't.

Michael moore is an ass an there is far more then whats being shown ALOT more happens then people think what the media tells them and the media id all Fu#%n liberals.

DEMOCRACY = NOT KILLING PEOPLE WITHOUT GOOD REASON



Getting shot at and people planting bombs is a good enough reason for me.

it should be unacceptable to every patriotic American

So are you saying because I don't believe in your theory that I am an unpatriotic American?

Getting shot at and people planting bombs is a good enough reason for me.



So are you saying because I don't believe in your theory that I am an unpatriotic American?


Not quite sure where your first statement fits in,Flatrater.If American troops weren't occupying Iraq,they woulddn't be getting shot at.Bush's bullshit about liberating Iraq is patently false,the Iraqis don't want his men there,nor do they want power turned over to a bunch of expats who aspire to leadership and are prepared to kiss bush's butt in order to get it.

As for the second point.Nobody is suggesting that you are unpatriotic,unless you know that your President is a liar and still support him.

Sheesh,Clinton was a liar,but at least his lies didn't run to theft of other nations.

Bush is not a theif remeber that if you want to know the truth on the oil matter try lookin at venezula's oil reserves! They supply 90% of the world oil and im not kidding.

Bush is not a theif remeber that if you want to know the truth on the oil matter try lookin at venezula's oil reserves! They supply 90% of the world oil and im not kidding.

Please go back to school.


http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/oil_market_basics/Sup_image_worldprod.htm

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/oil_market_basics/Sup_image_Reserves.htm#Global%20oil%20reserves

lol...

btw ~ my mom works the US oil management transportion of it etc. Everday she talkes to the bush adminastration and numerious other goverment agency's about the united states oil reserves and how they are and if the percetige of barrels per day will affect the us economy. That site is a bunch of bs.

also russia has decreased in oil production dramtically since 01 due to the war and other factors.

Don't try talking sense to taranaki. He only accepts HIS sources as valid. The first chart seeks to indicate that the far east, Oceana, and Africa produce more oil than the middle east. Why don't we start wars there if oil is the reason for this war?

He is blinded by his hatred of the Bush administration. Seems strange to me (and offensive) as he isn't even an American.