header question

I need a header for my G and I wanna know if the Pacecetter header will fit on my 91 G and if its any good(hp gains,problems)also if the non ceramic coated one is OK

If you get a Pacesetter for a G20 it will fit. They are OK. Coating or not doesn't really matter.

I prefer ceramic coated.

Well it does look nicer but the coating you usually get on headers really does nothing for performance. They claim it's a heat resistant ceramic but it doesn't really do anything about the heat like a true ceramic coated header would. I.e. Swain white lightning coatings.

I wanted to buy my HS header uncoated so they could send it to Swain for that coating but they wouldn't sell it that way. :( Oh well no biggie I'll get my turbo bits decked out in swain coatings. :D

Not to dis on any header...but what headers have had problems with cracking or reliability?

Originally posted by A380Driver
Not to dis on any header...but what headers have had problems with cracking or reliability?

Ya, Pacesetters are known to crack and are also said to be a direct ripoff of the Hotshot header.

Originally posted by G-Forces
Well it does look nicer but the coating you usually get on headers really does nothing for performance. They claim it's a heat resistant ceramic but it doesn't really do anything about the heat like a true ceramic coated header would. I.e. Swain white lightning coatings.

This may be true in some cases. But ceramic coating won't stain like (ironically) stainless (i.e.- the infamous rainbow bends and fingerprint). Though not as effecient as Swain, it still will insulate the tube which in turn speeds exhaust velocity. Considering this is probably the best on the streets without going through Swain, I'd say it's definitely worth the money to go HS ceamic. Seeing as how they have 4 generations of header design tells me they were continuously looking to better on the older design. This and word of mouth (which there is a lot of) should be more than enough to see that HS is the obvious choice.

Originally posted by frogg


Ya, Pacesetters are known to crack and are also said to be a direct ripoff of the Hotshot header.

I heard the complete opposite. There are a few guys on here that have had their HS headers crack. As far as the Pacesetter goes, it is a copy of an earlier HS generation header, and is much cheaper and more mass produced, but I haven't heard of any cracking. The black "shipping" paint coat cracks off, but I have not heard much about the actual header cracking.

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There is a thread on an HS cracking or the lower flex pipe actually, just recently titled POS HotShot Header here:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t24738.html

Originally posted by NismoPC

There is a thread on an HS cracking or the lower flex pipe actually, just recently titled POS HotShot Header here:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t24738.html

I've heard the Pacesetter breaks more often on the Hotshot because it doesn't even come w/ a flexpipe which causes more stress and bending. The flexpipe problem is most likely a problem w/ the motor mounts.

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I heard the complete opposite. [QUOTE]

Heh..this is why I asked the question cuz Ive been hearing two different stories...people saying HS cracks, and that their HS is fine. Soo maybe we could get some data? Or someone that has this kind of data?

Both are subject to cracking under certain circumstances but I would go w/ the Hotshot because they are more "improved on" than the Pacesetter.

Try the STILLEN 4into1.

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Originally posted by paradyme
Try the STILLEN 4into1.

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If you're going to get a 4into1 get the AEBS header. Better than teh HS in some aspects but it has its down sides like difficult installation and the fact that it hangs lower than the lowest part of car.

Originally posted by G-Forces

and the fact that it hangs lower than the lowest part of car.

Hmmm...you make a good point. Do all these new aftermarket headers hang lower than OEM? Could this be a problem of hitting it, especially when the car is lowered?

I know the 4-1 AEBS header does. Excellent header BTW. I'm not so sure about the Stillen 4-1. All the 4-2-1 headers I know about are OK and don't hang any more than the stock pipes.

So far only the AEBS 4-1 and the S&S 4-1 hang lower than the OEM. The Stillen does not hang lower as it collects before the secondary pipe. By far the AEBS is superior. It showed excellent low-end torque along with the natural high-end from a 4-1.

Hmm I really like the sound of having more low-end torque!! :) (yah i got a slushbox) but I guess i'm reallly worried about having the header hang too low. Does it come down significantly lower?? like how much clearance do you have after the install compared to OEM? Thanks guys!!!

Do the HS or the STILLEN, the AEBS header hangs really low, I don't know or doubt it's power gaines, but Iv'e seen pics of the AEBS and you can see the header from underneath from in front of the car. This is potentially bad news. I have scraped my Stillen a few times pulling up to curb parking and the STILLEN can't be seen unless your in the bay or under the car. I'm almost certain the you will run a high risk of damaging the AEBS header on a SE-R engine.






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The AEBS does hang rather low, can bang on things more easily than the HS, and the one I saw installed was a bitch - even on a lift.

Originally posted by P10DET
The AEBS does hang rather low, can bang on things more easily than the HS, and the one I saw installed was a bitch - even on a lift.
Those were the only things keeping me from buying the AEBS. Installation's a bitch (less of a bitch with a lift) and the low hang. :( Otherwise I would have bought one.

I did an AEBS removal last weekend. Not really sure what all the fuss was about. Remove fans, loosen alternator, pull back, unbolt AC compressor, push over, remove crossmember, then the usual header stuff. Took about an hour or so to get out, I figure an hour to go back in, if that. They do hand low, but maybe 1/2" below the crossmember. On a car that isn't lowered that much it should be a non issue.

The pacesetter header uses a ball and socket joint. Those are very problematic in SR20DE cars. Mainly (I think) because our factory mounts suck and let the motor move too much.

http://www.nx2k.com/nx2000/exhaust.htm

I have a pic or two of my old SR20DE header (2nd one ever made!) with a ball & socket joint.

The HS headers crack at the primary. Most of them do it. There are many theories. I just had mine repaired by Hotshot out of warranty for $88. That included shipping back to me, and recoating the header.

Originally posted by jayntguru
I did an AEBS removal last weekend. Not really sure what all the fuss was about. Remove fans, loosen alternator, pull back, unbolt AC compressor, push over, remove crossmember, then the usual header stuff.
The pain in the ass is that you don't have to do anything but unbolt the old header and put the new one on when it's 2 pieces.

True, but those are "compromise" headers. A true 4 into 1 header that has any decent length to it is going to have that problem. It was not that hard.

How much are the AEBS headers and where can I buy one? I can't find anyone who sells them on the net so any help would be great.

Originally posted by jayntguru
I did an AEBS removal last weekend. Not really sure what all the fuss was about. Did you do that on a lift?