Power...
Sheresh07
07-25-2004, 01:13 PM
Could someone explain to me how power is measured with street bikes? LIke with cars its hp/torq but how are the CCs of a bike measured compaired to HP/TQ? Oh and is there like Ideal weight/height of a person to safely handle stronger bikes? Or any powered bike for that matter.
Like with snowmobiels, even though they are quite heavy, you still need to be a healthy weight to really keep conrol over them. My father had a cougar 600, that thing was light and fast, BUT he was 6 4 and weighed in at around 300lbs so he didnt have much of a problem keeping the thing from getting airborn or rolling on him. Does this hold true with bikes?
Im 6 1 and weigh in at 180, so what would be the ideal CC for me to get after i get used to an older 500cc type bike? SHould also note that Ive been on snowmobiels since i was 14, am 19 now, so while Im not expert on handling the throttle of a street bike, i do have a good understanding of how much response i SHOULD get depending on how far/quick i hit it.
Oh one other thing, i was thinking of getting this bike as a starter, the guy whos selling it says its a great bike to learn on, but I wanted to get you guys trusted opinion on if it really is a good bike to start out on. heres the link
http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/2/9/74032929.htm
Like with snowmobiels, even though they are quite heavy, you still need to be a healthy weight to really keep conrol over them. My father had a cougar 600, that thing was light and fast, BUT he was 6 4 and weighed in at around 300lbs so he didnt have much of a problem keeping the thing from getting airborn or rolling on him. Does this hold true with bikes?
Im 6 1 and weigh in at 180, so what would be the ideal CC for me to get after i get used to an older 500cc type bike? SHould also note that Ive been on snowmobiels since i was 14, am 19 now, so while Im not expert on handling the throttle of a street bike, i do have a good understanding of how much response i SHOULD get depending on how far/quick i hit it.
Oh one other thing, i was thinking of getting this bike as a starter, the guy whos selling it says its a great bike to learn on, but I wanted to get you guys trusted opinion on if it really is a good bike to start out on. heres the link
http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/2/9/74032929.htm
R1-rider
07-25-2004, 01:53 PM
Power is still measured with the same HP and Torque graphs. Just like you would use hp/Liter or CI, you can do the same with sportbikes, remember 600ccs is .6L and etc. Now the real difference is between HP/Weight, you will only find cars with roughly 850RWHP+ having the same hp/weight ratios as sportbikes. Which is why we want to stab people in the eyes with saudering irons when they recommend a sportbike as a first motorcycle. In less words, it is suicidal.
With snowmobiles and ATVs you have a very similar type of power, however the difference is the ability not to worry about balance or traction nearly as much as a motorcycle. You have to be very experienced and confident to hard brake or hard accelerate during a turn, or having to avoid a accident.
There is no bike that is beyond your physical capabilities to ride, a couple might feel a little more cramped then some, but you have a fairly neutral height. I would do just like you are thinking, start out with an older 500-550cc bike that you can learn and beat on. It will have not nearly the harsh powerband, and will forgive many of your errors where a new bike wouldn't.
any more questions, just ask away.
With snowmobiles and ATVs you have a very similar type of power, however the difference is the ability not to worry about balance or traction nearly as much as a motorcycle. You have to be very experienced and confident to hard brake or hard accelerate during a turn, or having to avoid a accident.
There is no bike that is beyond your physical capabilities to ride, a couple might feel a little more cramped then some, but you have a fairly neutral height. I would do just like you are thinking, start out with an older 500-550cc bike that you can learn and beat on. It will have not nearly the harsh powerband, and will forgive many of your errors where a new bike wouldn't.
any more questions, just ask away.
Sheresh07
07-25-2004, 02:48 PM
Power is still measured with the same HP and Torque graphs. Just like you would use hp/Liter or CI, you can do the same with sportbikes, remember 600ccs is .6L and etc. Now the real difference is between HP/Weight, you will only find cars with roughly 850RWHP+ having the same hp/weight ratios as sportbikes. Which is why we want to stab people in the eyes with saudering irons when they recommend a sportbike as a first motorcycle. In less words, it is suicidal.
With snowmobiles and ATVs you have a very similar type of power, however the difference is the ability not to worry about balance or traction nearly as much as a motorcycle. You have to be very experienced and confident to hard brake or hard accelerate during a turn, or having to avoid a accident.
There is no bike that is beyond your physical capabilities to ride, a couple might feel a little more cramped then some, but you have a fairly neutral height. I would do just like you are thinking, start out with an older 500-550cc bike that you can learn and beat on. It will have not nearly the harsh powerband, and will forgive many of your errors where a new bike wouldn't.
any more questions, just ask away.
Ahh ok, now i understand why you all seem to be so against sport bikes for starters. I just didnt really understand it because i dont think the same quite applies to snowmobiels. For snowmobiels its more being able to navigate a trail and what to watch out for as opposed to wheeling a snowmobile, which is quite tough, but yes i think i am going to get that bike, or a similar one, as my first snowmobiel was an artic cat 440, which only topped out at like 65mph and it had reverse. was an 91 too i think.
Yea i dont see myself speeding or taking corners at high speeds with these bikes. Ive been in 3 car accidents all of which I wasnt even driving, one of which contained a 6 time roll over on a high way. SO i dont have the need for speed, just looking for something fun to cruise with in the summer.
With snowmobiles and ATVs you have a very similar type of power, however the difference is the ability not to worry about balance or traction nearly as much as a motorcycle. You have to be very experienced and confident to hard brake or hard accelerate during a turn, or having to avoid a accident.
There is no bike that is beyond your physical capabilities to ride, a couple might feel a little more cramped then some, but you have a fairly neutral height. I would do just like you are thinking, start out with an older 500-550cc bike that you can learn and beat on. It will have not nearly the harsh powerband, and will forgive many of your errors where a new bike wouldn't.
any more questions, just ask away.
Ahh ok, now i understand why you all seem to be so against sport bikes for starters. I just didnt really understand it because i dont think the same quite applies to snowmobiels. For snowmobiels its more being able to navigate a trail and what to watch out for as opposed to wheeling a snowmobile, which is quite tough, but yes i think i am going to get that bike, or a similar one, as my first snowmobiel was an artic cat 440, which only topped out at like 65mph and it had reverse. was an 91 too i think.
Yea i dont see myself speeding or taking corners at high speeds with these bikes. Ive been in 3 car accidents all of which I wasnt even driving, one of which contained a 6 time roll over on a high way. SO i dont have the need for speed, just looking for something fun to cruise with in the summer.
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