Reliability of Michael Moore

How many people think that Michael Moore is very reliable and tells the truth? How many people think hes somebody thats just full of crap and is just trying to get bush out of office? Im curious to see what this forum thinks.

Fahrenheit 9/11 is propaganda, worthy of Webster's

I think he's just as guilty of propganda as anyone else in polotics.

It dosn't make what he's trying to say wrong, its just the methods he use's are not exactly honest or ethical, which makes him a hypocrite.

I think he's just as guilty of propganda as anyone else in polotics.

It dosn't make what he's trying to say wrong, its just the methods he use's are not exactly honest or ethical, which makes him a hypocrite.
I agree somewhat.

911 is not a documentary, as such. To describe it as such is to invite criticism.
However, it is political commentary in which he makes an admirable effort to support his argument.

Much of the news media in the States is unable or unwilling to provide sufficient criticism (constructive and otherwise) of Bush & co. Their relative silence is shameful. We all should support Mr. Moores effort to broadcast an unpopular but very valid opinion (whether we agree with him or not)

Their are 2 types of people when it comes to Moore, those you love him and those who hate him. Not much in the middle ground on him.

I would put myself in the middle ground.

I agree with his dislike of consumerisim and corparations, and his obvious dislike of the current Bush administration. But I disagree with his methods.
He seems to gloss over the real issues, and make a big deal out of the more sensational but more minnor ones.
Either its because of his own ingnorance, or he's making an assumption that all americans are to stupid to understand the more important issues.

Its a very dangerous and stupid assumption to make. Americans can not all be that stupid, and the ones that are will not learn anything from his works.


He claims to be out to educate, but I think he's going about it the wrong way.
All he seems to do is generate hate create a barrier between two opposing views.

I think I am still the only person on this board who's actually talked to the man. Not taking his movies into account, he's a moron. He's also whats great about this country. Even morons like him can succeed.













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I say we deport him to Taranaki's country they would like each other.

I say we either send his fat ass over to Iraq, or to Siberia. Of course, we could just throw him off of a boat in the middle of the ocean and watch his whale ass sink.

Nah, we don't need to deport him. The worst thing you could do to him and his image is to air a live debate on television between him and someone who knows what their talking about. Chances are is that he'd walk away just like the congressmen he asked to sign their kids up to go to Iraq.

Chances are is that he'd walk away just like the congressmen he asked to sign their kids up to go to Iraq.



Thats a brilliant example of his ignorant and inflamatory style of jouralism.

By doing that his simply trying to generate hate and distrust within the general population.
Instead of focusing on the real issues, like why is the US in Iraq in the first place, and why its a bad thing, he does something that is totaly irrilevent.

The US has sent a lot of service men to war in the middle east in the last 10 years, but I don't believe ANY of them were consripts.
They all voluntared for thier service and they all would have known at the time it would mean a chance of going to a war zone and being killed.
But they still signed up and went anyway, and they did it of thier own free will.

If the US was consripting soliders and the sons and daughters of congressmen were excused then he would have a case.
But the simple fact is the sons and daughters are free to join if they want to, just like the rest of the US population, and given the strong conections in the US between the military and polotics then its quite likely that a few congressmen do have family serving in Iraq.

I want to see Bill O'Rielly(spelling?) and Moore have a debate, that would be very entertaining.

I think I am still the only person on this board who's actually talked to the man. Not taking his movies into account, he's a moron. He's also whats great about this country. Even morons like him can succeed.

You've never explain why he is though, Dave.



omg 14 000!

I say we either send his fat ass over to Iraq, or to Siberia. Of course, we could just throw him off of a boat in the middle of the ocean and watch his whale ass sink.

How about sending Bush, Rumsfeld et al to Iraq? They seem to think it's a good idea for us to go there...'

Remember folks -- if any of the facts in 911 were actually lies, the administration'd be having his ass for libel.

I've actually talked with him. He responded to everyone of my questions with "But don't you think (such and such item the Bush Administration has done) is awful? How can they do that to our nations children." etc. etc. He skirts issues, is an awful debator, and should be selling used Yugo's.

As for Libel... no. Thats like me going to sue the makers of the Hulk for slandering the good name of the normal Bruce Banner, and sighting lies because humans cant turn green, get buff, and jump 4 miles when they get angered. Its theater, its a movie, its fiction based on fact.

I've actually talked with him. He responded to everyone of my questions with "But don't you think (such and such item the Bush Administration has done) is awful? How can they do that to our nations children." etc. etc. He skirts issues, is an awful debator, and should be selling used Yugo's.

Hey, don't mistake me for a fan of Moore's. Watching him beat up on Chuck Heston (who was no longer head of NRA and, apparently, suffers from Alzheimer's) made me sick -- that soulless fat bastard should've followed it up with a segment involving Moore beating up a 7-year old girl.

As for Libel... no. Thats like me going to sue the makers of the Hulk for slandering the good name of the normal Bruce Banner, and sighting lies because humans cant turn green, get buff, and jump 4 miles when they get angered. Its theater, its a movie, its fiction based on fact.

Hulk is fiction -- F911 is a documentary. It is, sadly, (except for Moore's strained connect-the-dotsism) based entirely in fact. Now, Moore suggests (as subtly as a sledgehammer to the face) that Bush is in the pockets of the Saudis, which is ridiculous, because the Saudis were (quite rightly) loudest on the whole "Please God don't invade Iraq, you'll fuck it up for all of us" bandwagon.

And, of course, the small problem that a bunch of those Saudi 9/11 hijackers are in fact alive and well, and loudly protesting their innocence:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

However, the corrupt dealings of the current administration make even Clinton's pale in comparison, and Moore details it quite handily. I don't like him or his views (can't really decide which I detest more), but I respect the feeling of outraged patriotism that runs through the entire flick.

What corrupt dealings are you referring to? Please state them!

911 is based on facts :screwy: Using his logic, I can prove that ice cream is the reason that the Titanic sank.


Its a FACT that the Titanic didn't have enough ice cream to feed everyone in London. Now this is a fact. No debate about it. Now, if the Titanic had that enough ice cream to feed everyone in London, it would have been weighted down (and its important to note that the builder KNEW THIS ahead of time) the ship would have moved slower and avoided crossing paths with a certain iceberg.













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http://wcco.com/localnews/local_story_156132028.html

Kennedy Mad At Film Maker Moore

Jun 4, 2004 12:18 pm US/Central
(AP) Rep. Mark Kennedy, a Republican, is a little annoyed at leftist film maker Michael Moore after an edited version of an interview between the two appeared in the trailer for Moore's upcoming U.S. release of the film "Fahrenheit 9/11."

"I was walking back to my office after casting a vote, and all of a sudden some oversized guy puts a mike in my face and a camera in my face," Kennedy said. "He starts asking if I can help him recruit more people from families of members of Congress to participate in the war on terror."

Kennedy said he told Moore that he has two nephews in the military, one who has just been deployed in the Army National Guard. But to Kennedy's annoyance, his response to Moore was cut from the trailer, which was released Thursday. His response was also cut from the film, according to a spokeswoman for the movie.

"The interesting thing is that they used my image, but not my words," Kennedy said. "It's representative of the fact that Michael Moore doesn't always give the whole story, and he's a master of the misleading."

A spokeswoman for the fiercely anti-Bush film, which has found a U.S. distributor after the Walt Disney Co. refused to release it, said she had no comment.

A transcript released by the film's producers shows Moore telling Kennedy that "there is only one member (of Congress) who has a kid over there in Iraq." He asks Kennedy to help him pass out literature encouraging others "to get their kids to enlist in the Army and go over to Iraq."

Kennedy replies, "I'd be happy to. Especially those who voted for the war. (As Kennedy did.) I have a nephew on his way to Afghanistan."

To which Moore replies: "I appreciate it."

Anne Mason, Kennedy's spokeswoman, said Friday that Kennedy now has one nephew in the military and another one who got out of the Navy since the Moore interview. In addition, Kennedy's cousin's son recently completed his military service.

It all comes down to this John kerry is liberal, media liberal, michael moose liberal. MEDIA and MOVIES can change the perspective on this countries view towards BUSH wich ever way they want thats just the way it is. The young mind is easily swayd (influenced) at least the majority is.

:2cents:

the young mind? arent you in like 10th grade?

no 11th :)

I dont care care michael moore is a fat piece that has never been laid and need to take his anger out on something or some1 and bush happens to be the target.

no 11th :)

I dont care care michael moore is a fat piece that has never been laid and need to take his anger out on something or some1 and bush happens to be the target.



he saw a chance he took it. capitialism at it's best. why do people have a problem with this? who does hurt with it?

I dont have a problem just stating my opinion thats all.