Thought this would be of interest.

Just goes to show that the world must be antisemitic. :uhoh:

That was sarcasm, btw folks.

How can the UN tell them what or what not to do with their land. If they ordered Bush something like they he would end up bombing them.

The UN is a waste of time and space. They can do a whole lot of nothing. They have less teeth then a paper tiger and the willpower of a shadow.

The best they can manage is bureaucratic nonsense and indignant posturing. They're a failure of the highest order. They may be the most corrupt organization the world has ever seen. Anan being the chief thief among them. The UN is synonymous with failure.













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The UN is synonymous with failure.
I think the big problem, is that they don't go out of their way to kill people enough, and they listen too much to what countries have to say.

Nobody had a serious problem with the U.N. until they decided to rain on Dubya's parade...

The UN is a waste of time and space. They can do a whole lot of nothing. They have less teeth then a paper tiger and the willpower of a shadow.
Wow, your constant bashing of the UN organization is sometime rather annoying. Do you seriously need to bring it up every singgle post where that name is brought up?
Anyways, I think it's kinda stupd how they will have talks of a country and what will happen to it without having a country participatin at the meeting?
"I don't like the way you govern your country. Now excuse me while I go have a conference with other countries that are on other continents and the country your currently in argument with" makese sense dont it?
:rolleyes:

Wow, your constant bashing of the UN organization is sometime rather annoying.

Simple cure for that don't read it! Some peole can't handle the truth.

Public board, when it's posted pople will read it. Anyways, how are those comments any relevant?

How can the UN tell them what or what not to do with their land. ....their land.....in those two words you have revealed the fatal flaw in your reasoning.

I dunno Yogs, have you ever heard of East Timor?

I'll bet you don't consider the first Gulf War a success either, then?

How about the Cuban Missile Crises? Nah, that's right, I'm sitting here glowing in the dark right now.

I believe they have a right to build whatever they want on their land. I don't think they should go into lands that are in question or land that is the Palastanians though.

Well,by your logic,DGB, they shouldn't be building a wall then.The whole state of Israel is disputed by the fundamentalists.

The Israel problem dates back to 1948,when a bunch of foreigners thought they could wade in,upend the existing way of things,impose their own beliefs on the Middle East and maintain the peacre by shooting at anyone who disagreed.

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.Walls don't work,ask the Germans.Before anyone argues that the Berlin wall served an opposite purpose,it didn't.It's core objective was to keep two peoples apart. Reality of the situation is thattoo many people had family and interests on both sides of the wall.Unless Israel intends to eject ever citizen with Palestinian ancestry once the wall is complete,they'll have the same social problems as occurred in Germany.

Finally,walls will not deter terrorists.They'll just find another way to target Israelis.

Well,by your logic,DGB, they shouldn't be building a wall then.The whole state of Israel is disputed by the fundamentalists.


I'm going to side with DGB on this one -- if the Israelis want to build a wall on their land, that is in fact entirely their business. I'd like to see one on the Rio Grande, personally.

I hope it works, too, especially since a whole bunch of American tax dollars are helping pay for it (http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm). My God, but we throw a lot of money at the Israelis! And for some reason Arabs hate us :uhoh:

The problem, as I see it (and the part that the UN hates) is this here wall goes deep deep deep into Palestine, and is in fact a massive land grab, going a few hundred miles into the West Bank at parts to wall in a bunch of illegal settlements.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3879057.stm (handy guide towards the center of the article)

http://www.securityfence.mod.gov.il/Pages/ENG/route.htm

Also, with map at bottom. Chillingly, the Israeli map doesn't show any border between Israel and Palestine.

....their land.....in those two words you have revealed the fatal flaw in your reasoning.

....you said that and didnt tell me as to WHY its the fatal flaw in my reasoning....its not the UNs land they are building a wall on

....you said that and didnt tell me as to WHY its the fatal flaw in my reasoning....its not the UNs land they are building a wall on

Read my post! :biggrin:

Simple cure for that don't read it! Some peole can't handle the truth.

Problem is, for tou it only seems to be the "truth" when a Republican says it- and lies or propaganda when a Democrat does. :biggrin:

Problem is, for tou it only seems to be the "truth" when a Republican says it- and lies or propaganda when a Democrat does. :biggrin:

Try again! Both the Republicans and Democrats lie but for the last 10 years or so the democrats are the biggest liars.

Your problem is anything American is a lie!

OK, so then they both lie. I want the liars that create budget surplusses, that don't alienate the other 99 percent of the world and don't increase the deficit by billions and billions of dollars in record time pursuing frivolous, baseless vendettas. Why should I vote for a proven liar when I can give Kerry a shot. He couldn't POSSIBLY do any worse.

Why should I vote for a proven liar when I can give Kerry a shot. He couldn't POSSIBLY do any worse.
This reminds me of something my friend said.
"Don't want your country to be taken as a joke?....Don't vote for one"

Problem is, I didn't vote for the joke last election and he was still "elected"...

Thanks to Florida...although we all know who really should have won

Thanks to Florida...although we all know who really should have won

The Electroal college determines who our next president we be. And Bush won the college so quit your whining, Bush won fair and square.

But if Bush did the same thing as Gore being the sore loser he was and contested every state like Gore did than maybe the election results would be different.

BTW this wasn't the first election where the president lost the popluar vote and won the office.

Yeah, who cares what the people are actually saying - it's all about what the electoral college has to say for them...
Even so Al Gore was a pretty sore loser (if only by a gnats hair).

Well,by your logic,DGB, they shouldn't be building a wall then.The whole state of Israel is disputed by the fundamentalists
Who are these fundamentalist? The Muslem fundamentalist?

The Israel problem dates back to 1948,when a bunch of foreigners thought they could wade in,upend the existing way of things,impose their own beliefs on the Middle East and maintain the peacre by shooting at anyone who disagreed.
It dates much further back than that actually. The foreigners you speak of once occupied that land.

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.Walls don't work,ask the Germans.Before anyone argues that the Berlin wall served an opposite purpose,it didn't.It's core objective was to keep two peoples apart. Reality of the situation is thattoo many people had family and interests on both sides of the wall.Unless Israel intends to eject ever citizen with Palestinian ancestry once the wall is complete,they'll have the same social problems as occurred in Germany.

I agree that walls may not be the answer but they do have the right to build anything they wish to on their land.

Finally,walls will not deter terrorists.They'll just find another way to target Israelis.

I'm sure of that also.

dates much further back than that actually. The foreigners you speak of once occupied that land.

Not really. The vast majority of Jews these days are in fact (80-90%)descended from Khazar Eastern Europeans (http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/07-history/B-european/2003/07B-05-09-03-do-jews-suffer-from-false-consciousness.html), and have no ethnic connection to the old Israelites whatsoever. Let's not forget that Judaism is a RELIGION. There are a mass of Ethiopian Jews (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/ejhist.html) -- again having no relation to the old Semitic tribe we hear about in the Torah and Bible and Q'Ran and such. The bulk of today's Jews have no ancestral connection with Israel. Their ancestors came from a kingdom in Turkey squished between fanatical Christians and fanatical Muslims, and chose a third way that nobody seemed to hate. The entire kingdom was converted to Judaism by royal decree, and THEY are the majority Jews of today...

I agree that walls may not be the answer but they do have the right to build anything they wish to on their land.

Agreed entirely. The problem is, and this is what the World Court guys said, is that the wall goes way past Israel's land, and hundreds of miles deep into Palestinian land. This is what the UN's got a problem with. If we built a 'security fence' that went a few hundred miles into Mexico or Canada, it'd be the same deal.

Not really. The vast majority of Jews these days are in fact (80-90%)descended from Khazar Eastern Europeans (http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/07-history/B-european/2003/07B-05-09-03-do-jews-suffer-from-false-consciousness.html), and have no ethnic connection to the old Israelites whatsoever. Let's not forget that Judaism is a RELIGION. There are a mass of Ethiopian Jews (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/ejhist.html) -- again having no relation to the old Semitic tribe we hear about in the Torah and Bible and Q'Ran and such. The bulk of today's Jews have no ancestral connection with Israel. Their ancestors came from a kingdom in Turkey squished between fanatical Christians and fanatical Muslims, and chose a third way that nobody seemed to hate. The entire kingdom was converted to Judaism by royal decree, and THEY are the majority Jews of today...

I will have to respectfully disagree although I am impressed that someone actually knew that.(but then again I have been impressed with a lot of your posts.) Here is a link to an arguement against that belief. Please ignore the "anti semite" comments because I don't believe you are anti semite. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/Khazars.html

This is just one persons arguement but there are many others that are available by doing a search. Many have the same type of arguement against this beliefe and some have different arguements. I do however like this guys first point so I only put a link to his site.



Agreed entirely. The problem is, and this is what the World Court guys said, is that the wall goes way past Israel's land, and hundreds of miles deep into Palestinian land. This is what the UN's got a problem with. If we built a 'security fence' that went a few hundred miles into Mexico or Canada, it'd be the same deal.

No arguement here. That's why I stated that they have a right to build whatever they want on their land. The land that is disputed or is clearly Palistanian land should not be built on by Isreal.

I will have to respectfully disagree although I am impressed that someone actually knew that.(but then again I have been impressed with a lot of your posts.)

Likewise!

Here is a link to an arguement against that belief. Please ignore the "anti semite" comments because I don't believe you are anti semite. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/Khazars.html


Hmm -- I'd like to get into this guys' sources -- though I think he's deliberately confusing the hitch-hiking Ashkenazim of Western Europe with the Khazars in Turkey. Anyway, during the article the guy even underlines the whole 'we're a religion, not a race' part:

"Second, even if a group of Khazars abandoned their own homeland and adopted Jewish peoplehood by conversion it still doesn't negate their right to the land of Israel..."

... well, actually, it should...

Likewise!



during the article the guy even underlines the whole 'we're a religion, not a race' part:

"Second, even if a group of Khazars abandoned their own homeland and adopted Jewish peoplehood by conversion it still doesn't negate their right to the land of Israel..."

... well, actually, it should...
I guess it depends on how you look at it. In his first point he states : " Even Moses's wives weren't born Hebrews and Ruth the Moabitess was a convert (see Book of Ruth). Unlike the Germans, membership in the Jewish peoplehood is not based soley on blood. "

I tend to agree to a degree with him. Are all Palastanians purely Palastanians? Have they mixed their race? Does this negate their claim to any of the Palastanian lands? It's hard to find a pure race any more in the world. A group of people who inhabit a land are that lands people reguardless of bloodlines in my opinion.

I guess it depends on how you look at it. In his first point he states : " Even Moses's wives weren't born Hebrews and Ruth the Moabitess was a convert (see Book of Ruth). Unlike the Germans, membership in the Jewish peoplehood is not based soley on blood. "

Convert to a religion, get a chunk of an unbeliever's land! It IS a pretty sweet deal... Except of course again, the guys have no legal claim to an inch of land past their 1948 borders, as the UN points out again and again, and converted Jews swiping up Arab land that neither they nor their ancestors have ever seen is just so wrong...


I tend to agree to a degree with him. Are all Palastanians purely Palastanians? Have they mixed their race? Does this negate their claim to any of the Palastanian lands? It's hard to find a pure race any more in the world. A group of people who inhabit a land are that lands people reguardless of bloodlines in my opinion.

Well, I'm reasonably sure they're called Palestinians because they were the people living in Palestine when the British showed up. The key is, the Palestinians haven't run over the Israelis with tanks and helicopters and jet bombers and taken over Israel...

Well, I'm reasonably sure they're called Palestinians because they were the people living in Palestine when the British showed up. The key is, the Palestinians haven't run over the Israelis with tanks and helicopters and jet bombers and taken over Israel...

Although I am sure someone will be quick to bring up the war of 1967, when Israel suddenly invaded several of their neighbours in a massive land grab, citing the Israeli claim that the Arabs were massing armies to invade Israel.

Although I am sure someone will be quick to bring up the war of 1967, when Israel suddenly invaded several of their neighbours in a massive land grab, citing the Israeli claim that the Arabs were massing armies to invade Israel.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2085307&goto=2085307

Yes, the Israeli gov't has been mighty successful about creating confusion around that issue...

Convert to a religion, get a chunk of an unbeliever's land! It IS a pretty sweet deal... Except of course again, the guys have no legal claim to an inch of land past their 1948 borders, as the UN points out again and again, and converted Jews swiping up Arab land that neither they nor their ancestors have ever seen is just so wrong... I'm not disagreeing on the borders set up in 1948. The Israelites didn't go into the war in 67 with the intention of taking land.I believe war was forced on them. Even back in the 60s there were massive terrorist attacks on them and they was a military build up on by thier neighbors in preperation for war against them. (Not to say they weren't also prepairing for war.They felt compelled to.). Also I don't totally agree that they are all converted Jews. Well, I'm reasonably sure they're called Palestinians because they were the people living in Palestine when the British showed up. The key is, the Palestinians haven't run over the Israelis with tanks and helicopters and jet bombers and taken over Israel...I'm reasonably sure they are called Israelites because they live in Israel. Not all Israelites are Jewish just as not all Palastanians are Muslim.
The only reason the Palastanians haven't run over Israel with tanks and helecopters is because they would be wipped out. Don't make it sound as if there is anything noble about their refrain from slaughtering all the people in Israel. They don't because they can't. Instead they turn to the means they have which is terrorism.