What to do first

Ok im gonna be getting my new 94' talon tsi this coming saturday and I plan doing all the free mods and cleaning the intercooler and all that. I also have a lil money to play with for mods about 300 bucks but i dunno what to do first. I would go intake first but i plan on venting it and dont have the money yet. So i might either get an upper intercooler pipe and save the rest to get the intake at a later time or should i get a gauge pod, boost gauge and manual boost controller first. Should raising the boost yield the most horsepower gain and what do you think I should boost it to if I plan on doing this intstead??? I would like some of you guyz advice b/c i have no idea what to do. Thanks

Your best bet for that first $300:

1) boost gauge ($30)
2) air filter, possibly a hard intake pipe ($35)
3) hard uicp ($60)
4) manual boost controller ($30)
5) if you can afford a custom 3" exhaust, that should put you around, or maybe a little over $300

People will strongly advise you against venting the bov...I just put on my Dave Brode uicp and 1g bov and it is much louder than stock 2g, even recirculated. The $300+ it will cost to vent your bov can be MUCH better spent on any other performance or show part of your car IMO, from a turbo upgrade to a sound system!

I have a sound system already so i dont have to worry about that and where can i get an upper intercooler pipe for 60 bucks the cheapest ive seen has been about 175. Also how much louder would it be with hard pipes b/c i can barely hear it stock does anyone have a sound clip or anything or video or no where i find one b/c if its not that loud id prefer to vent b/c i love that bov sound. Also with boost controller would 15 psi be safe with no upgrades or will i be able to boost it higher???

You have to have the boost gauge to turn up the boost. To answer your question, I have an Injen intake and 1g BOV and it is soooo much louder than stock. It is actually a different sound though. Is is more of a woosh than the stock whistle. Yes 15psi is very safe on the stock T25. Any higher than that and you are heating the air too much to see any gains. Why work the turbo harder than you have to. If you vent you are going to run into all kinds of problems....the car will most likely sputter at idle and will be rich between shifts. I vented one day just to hear what it sounded like and my car ran like CRAP!

:eek7: Did you read my first post i said i was getting a boost controller also i got a 1st gen where you get t25 from im running a 14b also i said I was going to convert to a GM MAS and also have a tranlator so I wouldnt run into any probs by venting :grinno: you should read b4 you post lol. But 15 psi would b about the limit on a stock 1st gen right. Also how much hp gain could I see from this im thinkin (25 - 30) am I right???? oopps i re-read my first post i kinda left out the part about the translator but it was implied :icon16:

1. Don't vent before the translator. You can buy an intake with a recirc fitting and cap it when you get to the point of venting properly.

2. BOOST GAUGE needs to be the very first thing you do...BEFORE free mods that might raise your boost.

3. Fuel pump rewire. This should be done before running much more than 13-15 psi. See www.vfaq.com

4. Please type in a legible fashion. This is not AIM (lolz, l33t, b4), and if you want a thought out response, act like you thought the question through.

Thanks for the info I will try to keep that in mind. But you think I should buy an intake with the bov recirculation hose and just cap it off when I decide to vent. I guess that does make more sense what should I cap it with to keep a nice clean look. Also is TurboSmart a good brand because I just ordered a manual boost controller and also an autometer boost gauge.

Quote by eclipseracer92 : So i might either get an upper intercooler pipe and save the rest to get the intake at a later time or should i get a gauge pod, boost gauge and manual boost controller first.

Quote by eclipseracer92 : i said i was getting a boost controller

Actually if you look, you were questioning getting a MBC i.e indecisive.....and by the way, I said that you had to have a boost GAUGE not boost CONTROLLER. (read Lando's post, part #2 for further clarification)

As far as the t25/14b thing, that was my mistake.

Quote by eclipseracer92 : I would go intake first but i plan on venting it and dont have the money yet.

Quote by eclipseracer92 : also i said I was going to convert to a GM MAS and also have a tranlator

Nowhere in the original post did you mention anything about getting a GM MAS!!! You only said that you wanted to get an intake first but you wanted to vent and didn't have the money.

While we are taking subtle shots at each other...

Quote: you should read b4 you post

Maybe you should remember what YOU wrote before you start getting cocky.

I guess that does make more sense what should I cap it with to keep a nice clean look.

Look for one of those black rubber thingys that slip over the bottom of chair legs. One of those and a band clamp will work fine and not look bad.

Sorry about all that spyderturbo007 I was on two diff forums at once fliping back and forth and didnt realize I didn't everything I wanted to in the first post. But thanks for all the info can't wait till this saturday and I start modding. I plan on first rewiring the fuel pump, hacking the stock air canister, removing the intake silencer and putting in a K&N filter for now as the intake goes until I get some more money. I will then do the basic fluid changes and change sparks plugs etc. Install the boost gauge and pillar pod I got and after I get done with all that put on my turbosmart manual boost controller (are they any good) and make all the adjustments.

Good planning!

Good planning!

Haha :lol:

Just make sure you have a boost gauge before you start trying to boost more. Fuel pump rewire is also a great suggestion that I overlooked...good call Lando.

Yea I know im not gonna try to use the shitty factory one in the dash.

I will then do the basic fluid changes and change sparks plugs etc.

Depending on the mileage of the car you may want to do the timing belt with your tune-up. If you don't know how to do it yourself, make sure you have a good bit of money set aside for that.

The T-belt looks brand new so I dont think I will need to change it ive been researching some sites and they said something about when cranking up the boost on a stock car that it can be dangerous running 15psi for longer than a few seconds is that true if so what would it be safe to set it at with a MBC and whats the best way to do adjustments on it should i just turn it a little and drive and see what I get as my max boost or is there an easier way to do it sorry im a lil new to turbos. Also should I do the boost control solenoid mod before I install the MBC or will it not make a differance if I do it or not???? Im confussing myself I cant stop thinking about the what ifs and all that or am I worrying to much :bloated:

You eliminate the BCS when you install an MBC.

To find the right boost, start with the MBC threaded WAY out, go for a spin and see where you are. Then pop the hood and give it a turn per PSI you wish to go up...this is the way MANY boost controllers operate, but keep in mind that a half a turn or 6 turns could raise you one PSI...it just depends.

Thanks that helped alot seems like I was doing alot of worrying for nothing. If its all the way out wouldnt that be like max boost for the boost controller so wouldnt it make sense to start with it turned almost all the way in???

GOD NO!

Think of it just like a screw...lefty loosy, righty tighty.

When the BC is tight, the pressure on the spring is greater which created a need for a greater force (boost) to actuate it. When it is all the way loose, the spring has less tension, and less boost is required before it goes through to the WG.

LOL ooops. Well dsmparts.com is on a roll just got my parts today but they left out my lunar boost gauge them bastards. So I called them up and it was a damn machine telling me to email them so I did and they said they forgot to mail it and it would be here in a few days. Jeeez better not do that again if I decide to order parts from them again has anyone else had problems with them??? Also I was flipping throught the instructions on my turbosmart mbc when setting it I have to apply full load to the engine (in high gear at full throttle) is there a better was to do this can I do it say in 1st or 2nd does it matter what gear im in or do I only get full boost in a higher gear these things confuse the hell out of me.

Generally 2nd or 3rd is what I use to set my desired boost. It doesn't take long to achieve full boost on smaller turbos.

Wait fot the boost gauge, of course.

Don't quote me on this, and do more research but I have heard from several fairly reliable sources that 18 pounds is the max the engine internals, rods and stuff can take. The boost will help but power will deffinatley not be optimized till you do your intake and exhaust.
I am guessing you got a lot of your info from dsm.org and probably know about dsmtalk.com but thought I might make sure, they bolth have good info and links that would help.

Don't quote me on this, and do more research
Best part of your post.

I run `20-22psi on a stock bottom end that has 118k on it EVERY DAY. Keep in mind that this isn't 20psi on a 'lil 14B, this is 20psi on a failry large turbo. :icon16:

What turbo and what kind of mods are done to your car????

I also forgot to add I have a catback already installed would that make a differance???