Boggles the mind..
Dexromethorphan
07-19-2004, 02:50 AM
Check this out: Think of what it would be like if you were never born? Humans minds arent strong enough to know that. Thats also why we cant imagine where heaven is. Our minds are not capable of figuring them out. Anyone else have anything that boggles the mind. Something that goes deep?
s14silvias14
07-19-2004, 04:29 AM
Check this out: Think of what it would be like if you were never born? Humans minds arent strong enough to know that. Thats also why we cant imagine where heaven is. Our minds are not capable of figuring them out. Anyone else have anything that boggles the mind. Something that goes deep?
I don't know if you wanted an answer, but, I do have a my theory to that question: If you were never born, then there would be no question about your birth. The fact of the matter is, is that some people believe in fate or destiny or free-will. If it was free-will, then the rule for not being born is pretty much the fact that the world moves on without you. If it's fate or destiny that your mother and father had you for you to serve a purpose, then that's something that's divine (if there is any). Also, if the human mind cannot fully imagine or grasp an image of something like your example of heaven, then we make up something that is connotative to our image of heaven. Aristotle said that all men want to know. Meaning that we all want answers to all the things we can't figure out...i think...like heaven and what it is. But, being one who is turned off by religion (not athiest), I think heaven is just in the mind's eye of the beholder...and influenced by religion...
what do you think?
I don't know if you wanted an answer, but, I do have a my theory to that question: If you were never born, then there would be no question about your birth. The fact of the matter is, is that some people believe in fate or destiny or free-will. If it was free-will, then the rule for not being born is pretty much the fact that the world moves on without you. If it's fate or destiny that your mother and father had you for you to serve a purpose, then that's something that's divine (if there is any). Also, if the human mind cannot fully imagine or grasp an image of something like your example of heaven, then we make up something that is connotative to our image of heaven. Aristotle said that all men want to know. Meaning that we all want answers to all the things we can't figure out...i think...like heaven and what it is. But, being one who is turned off by religion (not athiest), I think heaven is just in the mind's eye of the beholder...and influenced by religion...
what do you think?
Dexromethorphan
07-19-2004, 03:20 PM
Our minds just arent strong enough to imagine the things we want to know. Men are afraid of god because they dont want to open themselves up to believing there is a higher power. I dont know why people think christianity is a lie, I was raised christian so its hard to imagine it. I agree with you though
s14silvias14
07-19-2004, 05:20 PM
this really is a tough yopic to discuss because due to the differences in people's faiths, problems can occur. I was raised Roman Catholic. I was sent to private school up through high school. I have had many experiences with the church and how it really turned me off to the one-sidedness that most of the people followed....that I saw. But yeah I can agree that humankind cannot grasp the whole image of God and that they are afraid of someone with more power. Man always wants the powers of gods. But, I do have to say that the image of God still only exists in the eyes of the mind. Not actually an image, but an idea about what He is like. What His plan is and stuff like that. But there's also the Bible which gives everyone the same discription of God.
I had this lady come into my store one time. She asked when our hours were. I mentioned we were open Sunday and she questioned when I would have time to go to church. I told her I just don't go. It was pretty simple of an answer to me. But then she said that a relationship with God is within your own. Which makes sense to me because I'd rather work than go to church because I believe that just having a notion of God's presense is good enough. But, since I have been completely thrown by the church and its ways, there's still no God in my life..which I think could be anything.
I had this lady come into my store one time. She asked when our hours were. I mentioned we were open Sunday and she questioned when I would have time to go to church. I told her I just don't go. It was pretty simple of an answer to me. But then she said that a relationship with God is within your own. Which makes sense to me because I'd rather work than go to church because I believe that just having a notion of God's presense is good enough. But, since I have been completely thrown by the church and its ways, there's still no God in my life..which I think could be anything.
Dexromethorphan
07-19-2004, 07:00 PM
Yea my old church didnt hang pictures of Jesus because they think no-one knows what he looked like. The bible says god is just there and there is a light coming from no where. Its just there so to say. I guess theres only one way to find out whats going on. Im still christian when I say this, but have you ever thought, what if were wrong?
s14silvias14
07-20-2004, 01:10 AM
Yea my old church didnt hang pictures of Jesus because they think no-one knows what he looked like. The bible says god is just there and there is a light coming from no where. Its just there so to say. I guess theres only one way to find out whats going on. Im still christian when I say this, but have you ever thought, what if were wrong?
Not entirely, but somewhat. I just wonder why other people think that everyone else's religions are wrong. They're all the same actually. If you look at the basic structures of every major religion ever, you would find that the same principles and laws apply. I get mad when people say that 'you're wrong', or 'your religion is wrong', but what makes them so sure? And it seems to me that they have only been educated in their own religion and they don't consider others. No religion is wrong, but it seems like no one is going to admit that. Plus, my brother asked that question to a priest...he asked if one person follows another religion and leads a good life, do they go to heaven? The priest said 'no'...and that's a load of BS.
So I just try to follow the basic moral principles of Eastern Ways of Life (Confuciounism, Bhuddism, and Taoism). I just live my life to it's fullest and be a good person. I don't want to do it because I'm afraid God is going to punish me if I don't. I do good things because I know I'll be remembered longer after I'm dead.
Not entirely, but somewhat. I just wonder why other people think that everyone else's religions are wrong. They're all the same actually. If you look at the basic structures of every major religion ever, you would find that the same principles and laws apply. I get mad when people say that 'you're wrong', or 'your religion is wrong', but what makes them so sure? And it seems to me that they have only been educated in their own religion and they don't consider others. No religion is wrong, but it seems like no one is going to admit that. Plus, my brother asked that question to a priest...he asked if one person follows another religion and leads a good life, do they go to heaven? The priest said 'no'...and that's a load of BS.
So I just try to follow the basic moral principles of Eastern Ways of Life (Confuciounism, Bhuddism, and Taoism). I just live my life to it's fullest and be a good person. I don't want to do it because I'm afraid God is going to punish me if I don't. I do good things because I know I'll be remembered longer after I'm dead.
Dexromethorphan
07-20-2004, 01:59 AM
Agreed, except, what religion are you?
s14silvias14
07-20-2004, 03:10 AM
I was raised Roman Catholic, but my parents were very open with how I chose to recognize religion. I stopped following when I made my Confirmation. So now I'm pretty much not following a specific religion, but I'm following the good ideas of morality from all the major religions of the world and from how my parents raised me. They don't go to church that much anymore either unless its a baptism or a holiday. They are pretty much more of tradition of an Italian family to do those things regardless of how much you care.
Xtreme_098
07-20-2004, 04:05 AM
Oh, I was raised Southern Baptist. We go to church once a month, maybe twice. I wish I were you, my parents are very tight when it comes to christianity.
s14silvias14
07-20-2004, 05:12 AM
man, I hate it when parents are strict about things like that. I'm glad my parents stopped doing that to me when I was 16. They eventually stopped going too. But all I know is that church is boring and its the same stuff over and over again.
as the great Homer J. Simpson once said : why do I have to go to church just to hear about how I'm going to hell?
as the great Homer J. Simpson once said : why do I have to go to church just to hear about how I'm going to hell?
Joseph1082
07-20-2004, 09:46 PM
Just like to add... the human mind is finite, it has limits, and is very small indeed. Not all humans minds are equal, some are much larger than others. Some people, are unfortunately, stupid, they can only imagine very simple things. There are others of us that can conceptualize more advanced stuff, but there is limit, there are enormous complex equations that even Stephen Hawking couldn't understand, he nay see it on paper, but that is not understanding. So there are tihngs we cannot conceptualize, such as this.
s14silvias14
07-21-2004, 01:08 AM
Yeah, that's true. But, do you think that its just a matter of time until the human mind expands and develops a better understanding? Evolution wise?
Xtreme_098
07-21-2004, 02:21 AM
I believe the human mind is able to visualize the things that the smartest minds are having trouble understanding. The answer is there it will take time to grasp it. When someone does the human race will move one step up. Its like walking at the age of 1. Its possible it just takes time to understand how. By the way this is dex, name change.
Joseph1082
07-21-2004, 09:17 PM
But, I was trying to point out, the human mind is limited. These limits can be pushed, I mean, Stephen Hawking has greater limits than some street thug. Even though you say the Human mind will "evolve" then it won't be the human mind. The mind we are discussing is that of the Homo Sapien, it hasn't change and is always characteristic of this species, btw it is the largest brain ever. But is has it's limits, I mean... we think we are smart today then 1000s of years ago because well, we have Jets, computers, etc. But our brains are no more advanced, we just have a much greater base of knowledge, that which it took time to discover/develope.
elmnts of trnce
07-29-2004, 12:17 AM
I'm only going to respond to the original thread starter. Other things the human mind cannot comprehend include infinity and eternity.
DGB454
07-29-2004, 05:41 AM
Not entirely, but somewhat. I just wonder why other people think that everyone else's religions are wrong. They're all the same actually. If you look at the basic structures of every major religion ever, you would find that the same principles and laws apply. I get mad when people say that 'you're wrong', or 'your religion is wrong', but what makes them so sure? And it seems to me that they have only been educated in their own religion and they don't consider others. No religion is wrong, but it seems like no one is going to admit that. Plus, my brother asked that question to a priest...he asked if one person follows another religion and leads a good life, do they go to heaven? The priest said 'no'...and that's a load of BS.
So I just try to follow the basic moral principles of Eastern Ways of Life (Confuciounism, Bhuddism, and Taoism). I just live my life to it's fullest and be a good person. I don't want to do it because I'm afraid God is going to punish me if I don't. I do good things because I know I'll be remembered longer after I'm dead.
There are a lot of the same basic principles in all religions. Basically the direction they want you to take with your life is to love everyone as you love yourself.
That's usually where they stop being the same. Many state that it takes works to earn your reward after you pass on from this life. Others state that you just have to follow the basic principle (stated above) to recieve your reward which may be to be reborn as a higher life form until you eventually reach narvana(sp?). One says you have to accept a savior that took your punishment for you to get your reward which is to spend eternity in heaven with him.
Although they all seem basically the same on the surface when it comes to living your daily life they are very different where it really matters. Where it really matters is where you end up and what you have to do to get there. Are you really positive that where you are going to end up really exist or is possible to get to given the direction you are heading? Are you positive that the place you think doesn't exist really doesn't exist so you don't have to do anything because you are just going to rot in the ground after you die? I think that's the big question. Where are we truely heading and how do we get there from here?
So I just try to follow the basic moral principles of Eastern Ways of Life (Confuciounism, Bhuddism, and Taoism). I just live my life to it's fullest and be a good person. I don't want to do it because I'm afraid God is going to punish me if I don't. I do good things because I know I'll be remembered longer after I'm dead.
There are a lot of the same basic principles in all religions. Basically the direction they want you to take with your life is to love everyone as you love yourself.
That's usually where they stop being the same. Many state that it takes works to earn your reward after you pass on from this life. Others state that you just have to follow the basic principle (stated above) to recieve your reward which may be to be reborn as a higher life form until you eventually reach narvana(sp?). One says you have to accept a savior that took your punishment for you to get your reward which is to spend eternity in heaven with him.
Although they all seem basically the same on the surface when it comes to living your daily life they are very different where it really matters. Where it really matters is where you end up and what you have to do to get there. Are you really positive that where you are going to end up really exist or is possible to get to given the direction you are heading? Are you positive that the place you think doesn't exist really doesn't exist so you don't have to do anything because you are just going to rot in the ground after you die? I think that's the big question. Where are we truely heading and how do we get there from here?
Spyke^
07-31-2004, 07:46 AM
Anyone else have anything that boggles the mind. Something that goes deep?
Could God microwave a burrito so hot that He himself could not eat it?
(Thanks to Homer Simpson for that little nugget...)
Besides being funny as heck, it relates directly to your post.
Could God microwave a burrito so hot that He himself could not eat it?
(Thanks to Homer Simpson for that little nugget...)
Besides being funny as heck, it relates directly to your post.
dirtydx
08-07-2004, 07:50 PM
well, hmmmdidly... as far as melon scratchers go, that's a honeydoodle :)
NOW DO WIGGUM
I've got a good one ----> try to imagine a new colour.
NOW DO WIGGUM
I've got a good one ----> try to imagine a new colour.
landyacht
08-07-2004, 10:11 PM
Anyone else have anything that boggles the mind. Something that goes deep?
Why hotdogs are sold in packages of 10 and buns in packages of 12 so that you're forced to buy 60 of each to have enough of each so you don't have to substitute anything.
You're only feeding about 15 people most of time anyway, so you'll have a tonne left over which is a waste, and guaranteed someone will drop theirs so you'll be out-matched in the end anyway.
^ I went grocery shopping today, don't mind me!
Why hotdogs are sold in packages of 10 and buns in packages of 12 so that you're forced to buy 60 of each to have enough of each so you don't have to substitute anything.
You're only feeding about 15 people most of time anyway, so you'll have a tonne left over which is a waste, and guaranteed someone will drop theirs so you'll be out-matched in the end anyway.
^ I went grocery shopping today, don't mind me!
kreep
08-08-2004, 08:42 PM
Like someone said earlier, and what I think they were trying to get across is that, what if everybody is wrong??? What if there is nothing beyond. I mean some people believe that there is a scientific explaniation in everything (including me). I'm not saying that I'm not religious or anything. I'm catholic and I believe yes, but I'm just questioning. Yeah the whole "faith" thing. believe in what you can't see. But what if there is nothing beyond?? I sure hope there is... Some people say that they aren't afraid to die... Well, they are either extremely faithful, or extremely....well for lack of a better word, dumb. I for one am afraid to die. I want to enjoy my time here, and make it as long as possible. I just wish someone would know the answer. How would anybody ever know if anything was beyond?? It's almost impossible.
No-Townhustla
08-13-2004, 03:02 AM
religion was created to have power over people, and along with controling peoples minds comes taking peoples hard earned money. Religion is so distorted that i dont think i could ever step inside another church. Oh and priest are Faggots who molest kids.
jcsaleen
08-13-2004, 02:35 PM
Check this out: Think of what it would be like if you were never born? Humans minds arent strong enough to know that. Thats also why we cant imagine where heaven is. Our minds are not capable of figuring them out. Anyone else have anything that boggles the mind. Something that goes deep?
Not true at all. lol Its a proven fact human can only use up to 10-15% of there brain space/compasity. The most people like einstein etc have been able to achieve is at the most 20% of therir compasity if we would be able to use 100% of out brain compasity the world we be alot better or alot worse.
Not true at all. lol Its a proven fact human can only use up to 10-15% of there brain space/compasity. The most people like einstein etc have been able to achieve is at the most 20% of therir compasity if we would be able to use 100% of out brain compasity the world we be alot better or alot worse.
96Civ
08-13-2004, 06:27 PM
I'm only going to respond to the original thread starter. Other things the human mind cannot comprehend include infinity and eternity.
I agree. For something to extend forever is uncomprihendible by the human mind.
I agree. For something to extend forever is uncomprihendible by the human mind.
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